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Tractor talk: JD 4560 & 4450

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Whitewing

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I'll be looking at several John Deere tractors this weekend as I plan to buy one before the end of the year. There are much newer models on the secondary market here but I think for the money I can get the best deal on something of this age and model.

I'm interested in a tractor on the order of 150 HP and up, and it will be used mainly for plowing purposes as it's a service I plan to offer this coming planting season.

Anyone have experience with these models? All comments, recommendations, warnings, appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your response.
 

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Faster horses said:
Well, WELCOME BACK, Whitewing. So how have you been and what has been going on? Hope things are going good.

Hey FH! I've been doing great, thanks for asking. Lots of work fortunately and never seem to be enough hours in the day.

Hope everyone here is well and still kickin'.
 

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I think the 4650 might be cheaper than the 4450.

Are wanting mfwd? In 2wd, the 40 series is solid. Not very many 55s but they updated on the mfwd over toe 50s

The 4450 mfwd is shockingly expensive. Partly because of 30 years of great service. A lot of farmers don't like the electronics on the newer ones - in your situation, that might especially be true.
 

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Brad S said:
I think the 4650 might be cheaper than the 4450.

Are wanting mfwd? In 2wd, the 40 series is solid. Not very many 55s but they updated on the mfwd over toe 50s

The 4450 mfwd is shockingly expensive. Partly because of 30 years of great service. A lot of farmers don't like the electronics on the newer ones - in your situation, that might especially be true.

Indeed. Spoke with a parts dealer this evening who specializes in John Deere and he told me parts are far easier to find for the older model tractors (like the ones I'll be looking at this weekend) than the newer models. I've got an 85 HP JD 5705 I bought in 2005 and yeah, it's tough to find spare parts though fortunately I manage to keep it in good running condition. It's now got over 15,000 hours. :shock:
 

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Just keep in mind the 4560 is what they call big frame so you only have 1000 pto, so that may make it run cheaper. The 50 and 55 series of jd was the best they ever have made. They are not called iron horse for nothing. Check out Tractordata.com. It will help you out on the specs. If you can find a 50-55 most 50 by now are updated in the mfwd, would not worry about that, if you can buy for less than it sold for( if it is low hour) buy it. Price on them just keeps climbing. Only trouble they have is the water pump bearing will leak water to the oil. Get oil samples, that will tell you everything, meaning check motor oil, trans, and water with samples. I just bought a low hour 4440 for a feed tractor last winter, took some looking but they are out there. Keep in mind that around 10,000 you will need a lower end, this of course is an average. Good luck hunting, that is half the fun! :)
 

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Sandhills boy said:
Just keep in mind the 4560 is what they call big frame so you only have 1000 pto, so that may make it run cheaper. The 50 and 55 series of jd was the best they ever have made. They are not called iron horse for nothing. Check out Tractordata.com. It will help you out on the specs. If you can find a 50-55 most 50 by now are updated in the mfwd, would not worry about that, if you can buy for less than it sold for( if it is low hour) buy it. Price on them just keeps climbing. Only trouble they have is the water pump bearing will leak water to the oil. Get oil samples, that will tell you everything, meaning check motor oil, trans, and water with samples. I just bought a low hour 4440 for a feed tractor last winter, took some looking but they are out there. Keep in mind that around 10,000 you will need a lower end, this of course is an average. Good luck hunting, that is half the fun! :)

Thanks SB, already have Tractordata.com in my favorites. :D

I was buying corn "al granel", or raw in the field a couple of weeks ago and a guy pulled up on a JD 4455. My guys jumped on board to take a look and loved its simplicity. And down here, keeping it simple is a must.

Anyway, I'll keep you guys posted on what I find. And so far, based on the info you've provided, I feel pretty lucky to have found these models.
 

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that 4560 would be the better tillage tractor, for heavy work. A touch of the fuel screw and she would bark to life and make 220 hp and you would have something, especially comparing it to a 85 hp. It does not take much and when doing this watch your coolant temp. Another good sight is( yesterdays tractor )john deere they can tell you all kinds of stuff or search old chats. SB
 

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Sandhills boy said:
that 4560 would be the better tillage tractor, for heavy work. A touch of the fuel screw and she would bark to life and make 220 hp and you would have something, especially comparing it to a 85 hp. It does not take much and when doing this watch your coolant temp. Another good sight is( yesterdays tractor )john deere they can tell you all kinds of stuff or search old chats. SB

Very helpful info SB, thanks. I'll check out that other site as well.

And as long as you guys are giving me free advice :D , how about some tips on what to look for as I look at these tractors this weekend? For the record, I'll have my favorite JD mechanic with me for input from him. Since I'm paying him for the service and he'll be the one working on the tractor, he'll be in deep water if I have a major problem within a short time. Having said that, buying used, I just don't know how much one can learn about a tractor's condition until actually working with it.
 

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Danielski Farms at Valentine Nebraska had a couple 44 and 4650s. Those guys are always buying and selling tractors, and from what I have been around, will shoot it to you straight up.
 

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Here's a few pics of the 4560.
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Do you get another set of wheels for the rear? Don't know what type soil you'll be working but they may come in handy.
 

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This has little to do with the thread, except to say welcome back Whitewing. Have occasionally thought of you and said a quick prayer that all was well with you.

And I, being the great grandma of the little 'story teller' has to share this one: the three and a half year old great girl goes with her dad and other family members as often as she is allowed to. The tractors on this ranch are nearly all 'green', and are referred to by the number. Recently, this little girl started saying several number, such as "68,42,54......hey, that would be a good name for a tractor, wouldn't it?" Too little to understand why those tractors get their 'name', but definitely thinking and planning!

mrj
 

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My guess, a victim of socialism. He had food items among other things and people are starving and desperate. Hope I'm wrong.
 

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I have not had a reply from emails in over a year - - - he had my phone number as well - - - hopefully he has lost his contact info - - - I keep hoping to see something from him on this site as I'm sure he could remember how to get on here even if he lost all the other info
 

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George said:
I have not had a reply from emails in over a year - - - he had my phone number as well - - - hopefully he has lost his contact info - - - I keep hoping to see something from him on this site as I'm sure he could remember how to get on here even if he lost all the other info

George, if you know his name, maybe do a google search, even an obituary search :cry2: and maybe you can find out something.
I knew his name and had his email, but it is all gone.......from my computer and my mind. It would be nice to find out one
way or the other, if possible. I really feel he wouldn't be gone this long from this forum, through his own choice. He knew we
liked him and liked hearing from him.
 
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