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Trade Barrier question

QUESTION

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Sorry but i do not agree when an animal such a i referrd to goes to the US it is a calf but when it is cut into pieces and graded in the US the industrial process turns it into food the food it is product of the US. Do you put a stamp on every depleted uraniumm bullet product of Canada and US . No because the bullets are made in the US just like the calf is made into burger and meat products. When you process and change an item into something entirely different from the orignal product the resulting product becomes a product of the country doing the processing. We will see if /when COOL finally comes into effect how long it might last.
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Sandhusker said:
1) Those onion being grown in Vadalia is the real reason the purchase is made and making the processer the origin CLEARLY is not in the consumer's interest.[/b]

2) On the surface you have a point, but that's never going to happen. What about the current rules that say you have to accept foreign product as long as it meets their standards - even when those standards are below your own?

3) Same thing with with my steak story. It's just a smaller piece of the original.

1) And the reason for that is protectionist groups and the media have managed to BS the consumer into believing that origin is significant. What happens that first time that Mexican processed Vidalian Onion rings comes up with E.Coli due to poor processing? Now all Vidalia Onion rings are going to be suspect to the consumer.

Origin labelling is a waste of time, effort, and energy, all so a few protectionist groups can have their time in the sun.

2) There is no such rule. A country is not required to accept any import as long as they don't subject that import to rules MORE stringent than their domestic product is subject to.

3) Steak being cut up is not the same as repackaging. You've subjected that beef to handling several times, and at each step in the process you open yourself up to several food born illnesses.

Rod
 

Sandhusker

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) And the reason for that is protectionist groups and the media have managed to BS the consumer into believing that origin is significant. What happens that first time that Mexican processed Vidalian Onion rings comes up with E.Coli due to poor processing? Now all Vidalia Onion rings are going to be suspect to the consumer.

Origin is significant, Rod. In the case of the Vadalias, it really is the ONLY reason a customer would buy it instead of a company brand. Your system would be fraud as far as the consumer is concerned.

Origin labelling is a waste of time, effort, and energy, all so a few protectionist groups can have their time in the sun.

I don't think truthful labeling is a waste at all. I think it is the only honest thing to do.

2) There is no such rule. A country is not required to accept any import as long as they don't subject that import to rules MORE stringent than their domestic product is subject to.

Check up on these damn Free Trade agreements that we're stepping in. That's not the way it is.

3) Steak being cut up is not the same as repackaging. You've subjected that beef to handling several times, and at each step in the process you open yourself up to several food born illnesses.

It is the same. A side of beef is a piece of dead cow that has been cut from the carcass. Exact same thing with the steak. The country of origin changes on that steak because of a 5 second knife cut? Just because you've made it smaller and changed it's name from a side to a steak the country where it came from changes? No flipping way, man. I won't buy that in a million years.

If you go to Detroit and get your hair dyed and get a tattoo, maybe a nose ring or two (materially changed), does your citizenship change to US?
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Sandhusker said:
Your system would be fraud as far as the consumer is concerned.

As is yours. You've completely altered the product and are now assigning ownership of the product to the original state in which the onion was produced.

Sandhusker said:
Check up on these damn Free Trade agreements that we're stepping in. That's not the way it is.

I'm well aware of the rules of NAFTA and CFTA and nowhere in there does the United States give up its import requirement rights.

Sandhusker said:
It is the same. A side of beef is a piece of dead cow that has been cut from the carcass. Exact same thing with the steak. The country of origin changes on that steak because of a 5 second knife cut? Just because you've made it smaller and changed it's name from a side to a steak the country where it came from changes?


It does when the processing involves introducing significant food hazards that weren't there before the product was made.

So why do you not have a problem with a Made in US 2x4 coming from a Canadian tree? There is a hell of a lot less processing in making a 2x4 than there is in making a steak.

Sandhusker, forget about steaks for a moment. They account for very little beef product in the grand scheme of things. Processed food is whats important. So how does your COOL plan even remotely help the consumer when each frozen dinner comes from a dozen different countries? And believe me, there are a hell of alot more frozen dinners sold in the US than steaks or roasts.

Rod
 

gcreekrch

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Hey Rod, I think you've got him speechless......... While he's checking the labels on the TV dinners in the freezer
:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
)Now all Vidalia Onion rings are going to be suspect to the consumer.

As is yours. You've completely altered the product and are now assigning ownership of the product to the original state in which the onion was produced.

That was your quote. Rod, people buy Vadalia onions because their origin - where they were raised - is Vadalia, GA. They buy Iowa chops because the origin - where they were raised - is Iowa, etc... COOL is more than food safety, it is also truth in labeling.


Sandhusker said:
Check up on these damn Free Trade agreements that we're stepping in. That's not the way it is.

I'm well aware of the rules of NAFTA and CFTA and nowhere in there does the United States give up its import requirement rights.

Hang on - I'll pull up something for you.

Sandhusker said:
It is the same. A side of beef is a piece of dead cow that has been cut from the carcass. Exact same thing with the steak. The country of origin changes on that steak because of a 5 second knife cut? Just because you've made it smaller and changed it's name from a side to a steak the country where it came from changes?


It does when the processing involves introducing significant food hazards that weren't there before the product was made.

I don't agree with that. Processing location and origin are two different places, both important and both having influence on the final product. You seem to be saying most of the problems with food comes from processing, so that is all that needs to be addressed. I want to know where the raw material came from.

So why do you not have a problem with a Made in US 2x4 coming from a Canadian tree? There is a hell of a lot less processing in making a 2x4 than there is in making a steak.

As far as I'm concerned, that is a Canadian 2x4. The saw mill didn't do anything anybody in any country couldn't do, but there are certain qualities in raw materials that come only from specific areas.

Sandhusker, forget about steaks for a moment. They account for very little beef product in the grand scheme of things. Processed food is whats important. So how does your COOL plan even remotely help the consumer when each frozen dinner comes from a dozen different countries? And believe me, there are a hell of alot more frozen dinners sold in the US than steaks or roasts.

I"m using steaks as an example because I think it shows the folly of the origin being the place that cut the steak in 5 seconds as opposed to the place where the animal spent 500 days of it's life.

COOL will do very little for a frozen dinner with product of a dozen countries. I figure that if you're eating a frozen dinner, you've already shown you don't care about what you eat, you're just filling a hole. :lol:


Rod
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Sandhusker said:
As far as I'm concerned, that is a Canadian 2x4. The saw mill didn't do anything anybody in any country couldn't do, but there are certain qualities in raw materials that come only from specific areas.

Those certain qualities are completely erased by the processing. Saw that tree wrong and that 2x4 is worthless. Now, under your new COOL, the consumer has no way of knowing for sure where the problem was.

Same as your steak. While a Canadian beef may possess certain qualities, those qualities will probably be erased by the style of feed its finished on and how its cut afterwards. I just sent a group of feeders to Colorado last week to an organic plant. I'll bet you any money that when those animals are finished that you won't tell the difference between my good ol' critter and one that came out of Nebraska and was finished at that same plant. And its certainly not a product of Canada as I sent down 6 weights that will finish at around 1300 lbs.

Sandhusker said:
COOL will do very little for a frozen dinner with product of a dozen countries. I figure that if you're eating a frozen dinner, you've already shown you don't care about what you eat, you're just filling a hole. :lol: [/b]

As a beef producer, I'm way more interested in what the consumer thinks of that frozen dinner than I am in what they think of a steak. There's a pile more beef sold in frozen dinners than anything else.

Rod
 

per

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Always a little disappointing when a ten round fight ends in a draw. Good for you two to agree to disagree...for now! :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
Truce, Rod? We're not convincing each other of anything.

<chuckle> Yeah we'd might as well cease fire. All we're gonna do now is go in circles.

One of these days you'll see the light. I'll pray for you - maybe build a little shrine in my basement with lots of candles and incense and what not. :lol:
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Sandhusker said:
I'll pray for you - maybe build a little shrine in my basement with lots of candles and incense and what not. :lol:

Ah, now I see what the problem is. You've already been snortin' them candles, ain't ya?


:lol: :lol: :evil:

Rod
 

Sandhusker

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DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
I'll pray for you - maybe build a little shrine in my basement with lots of candles and incense and what not. :lol:

Ah, now I see what the problem is. You've already been snortin' them candles, ain't ya?


:lol: :lol: :evil:

Rod

I've found that Bayberry gives a pleaseant high that is not overwhelming, yet gives all things a humorous angle.
 

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