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Transparency? Change?

Texan

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/

Does anyone here remember discussions about the Cheney Energy Task Force and their secret meetings? I have a list of names that I'm expecting comments from. :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Texan said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/

Does anyone here remember discussions about the Cheney Energy Task Force and their secret meetings? I have a list of names that I'm expecting comments from. :lol:

Yep- I agree...They should stop defending the original Bush lawsuit blocking the access to the visitors list- and give up all the Bush visitors during the previous 8 years and now the new admistrations White House visitors...

But just like was brought up in Congress- when Bush was sitting all type of precedence of powers never before taken by Presidents- once precedent is set- its hard to get the next ones in the future to give it up...
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
Texan said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/

Does anyone here remember discussions about the Cheney Energy Task Force and their secret meetings? I have a list of names that I'm expecting comments from. :lol:

Yep- I agree...They should stop defending the original Bush lawsuit blocking the access to the visitors list- and give up all the Bush visitors during the previous 8 years and now the new admistrations White House visitors...

But just like was brought up in Congress- when Bush was sitting all type of precedence of powers never before taken by Presidents- once precedent is set- its hard to get the next ones in the future to give it up...

So then you agree that this "Change we can believe in" was horseshit.
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Texan said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/

Does anyone here remember discussions about the Cheney Energy Task Force and their secret meetings? I have a list of names that I'm expecting comments from. :lol:

Yep- I agree...They should stop defending the original Bush lawsuit blocking the access to the visitors list- and give up all the Bush visitors during the previous 8 years and now the new admistrations White House visitors...

But just like was brought up in Congress- when Bush was sitting all type of precedence of powers never before taken by Presidents- once precedent is set- its hard to get the next ones in the future to give it up...

So then you agree that this "Change we can believe in" was horseshit.

No I think they said it was being reviewed...And I'm sure how they rule will affect the Bush/White House court case-- so they have to take that into consideration too- the reason they said the White House attorneys were looking at it...

Like I said- I think they should decide to open their records- tell Bush to stick it and drop their fighting the court challenge against him - and let all GW's and Cheney's visitor records to be released...Might be interesting reading...

MR. GIBBS: The policy -- as you know, I think many of you know, this has involved -- visitor logs have been involved in some litigation dating back to some time in 2006. The White House is reviewing that policy based on some of that litigation.

Q So it's just you're not going either way on it now, and you're not refusing to --

MR. GIBBS: We're reviewing what has been the policy of -- the previous policy.

Q Who is doing that review?

MR. GIBBS: The White House Counsel's Office and other people in the administration.
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Texan said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407/ns/politics-white_house/

Does anyone here remember discussions about the Cheney Energy Task Force and their secret meetings? I have a list of names that I'm expecting comments from. :lol:

Yep- I agree...They should stop defending the original Bush lawsuit blocking the access to the visitors list- and give up all the Bush visitors during the previous 8 years and now the new admistrations White House visitors...

But just like was brought up in Congress- when Bush was sitting all type of precedence of powers never before taken by Presidents- once precedent is set- its hard to get the next ones in the future to give it up...

Oldtimer how about the precedence that OBAMA is setting? You know non natural born citizens sitting as US President, known tax cheats in charge of high government offices, Czars running the government that don't have to be OK by or report to the Congress, and taking over businesses and firing the CEO,s and giving the Union bosses more control of the companies. How about the firing of an IG that dared to launch an investigation on one of his buddies. Looks like your guy has been doing alot of precedence setting crap. How long will it be before there isn't a known tax cheat and Czars that don't have to answer to anyone but the President running the government? When will US businesses beable to run their own business without the fear of the President setting their pay scales and firing their employees? :?
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Yep- I agree...They should stop defending the original Bush lawsuit blocking the access to the visitors list- and give up all the Bush visitors during the previous 8 years and now the new admistrations White House visitors...

But just like was brought up in Congress- when Bush was sitting all type of precedence of powers never before taken by Presidents- once precedent is set- its hard to get the next ones in the future to give it up...
COMICAL. :lol: You won't even let your guy take credit for his own decisions without trying to blame Bush. If your guy had some executive experience, he might be able to make his own decisions without looking back to see what the last guy did. LMAO

This is really simple, OT:

Obama can release his visitor logs if he wants to - it has nothing to do with Bush. But it's not surprising that YOU would try to blame Bush for your guy's LIES about transparency.

Reporters want to see his visitor logs to learn about the coal company executives that he has met with. And he refuses to give that information. Since energy from coal is one of the important parts of the Obama energy policy, this is no different than Cheney meeting with unnamed oil execs to discuss energy policy.

And I think most of us remember how much hell you raised about that. Or maybe I should refresh your memory? How about this one for starters:

Oldtimer said:
I have only one question-- why in a country thats supposed to have transparent and open government-- has the Vice President of the United States refused to release any documents- or even the names of the persons he met with with relating to the Energy policy meetings- without those that have so far been court ordered :???:

That there tells me a lot!!!! :( :( :( :mad:

Now...do you notice any difference in the way you react to what is basically the same issue? Because the rest of us sure as hell do. You're a hypocrite with two sets of rules. You're willing to overlook things from the Obama Administration that you excoriated the Bush Administration for. To use your words:

That there tells me a lot!!!! :( :( :( :mad:

COMICAL. :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Yep- I agree...They should stop defending the original Bush lawsuit blocking the access to the visitors list- and give up all the Bush visitors during the previous 8 years and now the new admistrations White House visitors...

But just like was brought up in Congress- when Bush was sitting all type of precedence of powers never before taken by Presidents- once precedent is set- its hard to get the next ones in the future to give it up...
COMICAL. :lol: You won't even let your guy take credit for his own decisions without trying to blame Bush. If your guy had some executive experience, he might be able to make his own decisions without looking back to see what the last guy did. LMAO

This is really simple, OT:

Obama can release his visitor logs if he wants to - it has nothing to do with Bush. But it's not surprising that YOU would try to blame Bush for your guy's LIES about transparency.

Reporters want to see his visitor logs to learn about the coal company executives that he has met with. And he refuses to give that information. Since energy from coal is one of the important parts of the Obama energy policy, this is no different than Cheney meeting with unnamed oil execs to discuss energy policy.

And I think most of us remember how much hell you raised about that. Or maybe I should refresh your memory? How about this one for starters:

Oldtimer said:
I have only one question-- why in a country thats supposed to have transparent and open government-- has the Vice President of the United States refused to release any documents- or even the names of the persons he met with with relating to the Energy policy meetings- without those that have so far been court ordered :???:

That there tells me a lot!!!! :( :( :( :mad:

Now...do you notice any difference in the way you react to what is basically the same issue? Because the rest of us sure as hell do. You're a hypocrite with two sets of rules. You're willing to overlook things from the Obama Administration that you excoriated the Bush Administration for. To use your words:

That there tells me a lot!!!! :( :( :( :mad:

COMICAL. :lol:

If you don't think his decision affects the Bush case- and the current ongoing court case argument by Bush that he doesn't have to release that info- then you know nothing about law- and precedences- and how current practice effects them...

Like I said- I hope he decides to open it all up- and tells the court he will release his and Bush's- and Cheneys--except those that pertain to US Security under the Secrets Act....
 

hypocritexposer

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OT, He doesn't have a very good record of respecting precedences.

Anybody that makes the claim that is the reason, like Obama, may have a credibility problem.
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
OT, He doesn't have a very good record of respecting precedences.

Anybody that makes the claim that is the reason, like Obama, may have a credibility problem.

Depends on which Presidents precedence....

Do you think Obama should drop the court challenge against the release of the "torture" pictures that the Bush administration filed .. :???:
 

Sandhusker

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
OT, He doesn't have a very good record of respecting precedences.

Anybody that makes the claim that is the reason, like Obama, may have a credibility problem.

Depends on which Presidents precedence....

Do you think Obama should drop the court challenge against the release of the "torture" pictures that the Bush administration filed .. :???:

You're waffling, OT........ Why pitch a fit when Cheney does something, but then make excuses when Obama does the same thing?
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
OT, He doesn't have a very good record of respecting precedences.

Anybody that makes the claim that is the reason, like Obama, may have a credibility problem.

Depends on which Presidents precedence....

Do you think Obama should drop the court challenge against the release of the "torture" pictures that the Bush administration filed .. :???:

Are we talking administration precedence or legal precedence?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
OT, He doesn't have a very good record of respecting precedences.

Anybody that makes the claim that is the reason, like Obama, may have a credibility problem.

Depends on which Presidents precedence....

Do you think Obama should drop the court challenge against the release of the "torture" pictures that the Bush administration filed .. :???:

You're waffling, OT........ Why pitch a fit when Cheney does something, but then make excuses when Obama does the same thing?

I haven't seen where he did anything yet- they say its being reviewed....Like I said- I think he should release all records except those that affect national security---BUT when he does that- that should also mean all Bush/Cheney records are wide open too...
 
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