Big Muddy rancher
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Randy when does the membership of BIG C vote for their officers?
Rod, How do you know WSGA supports BIG C?
Rod, How do you know WSGA supports BIG C?
Big Muddy rancher said:Rod, How do you know WSGA supports BIG C?
DiamondSCattleCo said:Big Muddy rancher said:Rod, How do you know WSGA supports BIG C?
I didn't say that. I said the WSGA supports at least some of BIG-C's platform. To clarify: I don't know if the WSGA supports BIG-C or not, but they espouse some of the same ideas.
WSGA's website is horrible, so when things settle down around here, I'll be calling to get a first hand account of their platform.
Rod
Big Muddy rancher said:I see. Rod with what the web site shows they are doing many of the same things as the SSGA but the one difference is we are representing Saskatchewan producers. I bet they don't have a local chapter in Nipawan.
DiamondSCattleCo said:Big Muddy rancher said:I see. Rod with what the web site shows they are doing many of the same things as the SSGA but the one difference is we are representing Saskatchewan producers. I bet they don't have a local chapter in Nipawan.
Certainly they are doing some of the same things as the SSGA. I never said the SSGA was all bad, nor all their decisions in error. However it is my understanding that the WSGA supports allowing BSE testing and are against further packer concentration within Canada. I know the SSGA is against BSE testing, and I haven't gotten an answer about fighting further packing plant consolidations.
Rod
Tam said:DiamondSCattleCo said:Big Muddy rancher said:I see. Rod with what the web site shows they are doing many of the same things as the SSGA but the one difference is we are representing Saskatchewan producers. I bet they don't have a local chapter in Nipawan.
Certainly they are doing some of the same things as the SSGA. I never said the SSGA was all bad, nor all their decisions in error. However it is my understanding that the WSGA supports allowing BSE testing and are against further packer concentration within Canada. I know the SSGA is against BSE testing, and I haven't gotten an answer about fighting further packing plant consolidations.
Rod
Just what do you mean by the SSGA is against BSE testing?
A resolution passed on May 31 2005. By the SSGA
Be it resolved that SSGA ask CBEF to trial test export markets with OTM BSE tested products and the be done as soon as possible and that SSGA, CBEF and CCA expedite this market trial.
Looks to me as if the SSGA is open to testing OTM for market access ROD. This resolution was passed at the same meeting that they passed the resolution about importation of own used generic drugs, pesticides and herdicidies. You know Rod IVOMEC that you also said they had not take a favorable stance on.
And as far as fighting packer concentration just how do you think the SSGA should do that Rod? From what I see they are giving the producers the information needed to decide for themselves if they want to invest their money in a plant on the viability of the plants proposed BUSINESS PLAN and are lobbying the government to provide tax breaks for those that do decide to invest. If that is doing nothing then WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THAT IS ANY BETTER?
Tam said:A resolution passed on May 31 2005. By the SSGA
Be it resolved that SSGA ask CBEF to trial test export markets with OTM BSE tested products and the be done as soon as possible and that SSGA, CBEF and CCA expedite this market trial.
Looks to me as if the SSGA is open to testing OTM for market access ROD.
Tam said:And as far as fighting packer concentration just how do you think the SSGA should do that Rod?
I have never proclaimed I was anything but a member just like anyone else that pays a membership OLDTIMER. Just because I happen to go to meetings and VOTE doesn't give me anymore say than Rod would have IF he paid for a membership and came to meeting, got informed and voted.Oldtimer said:Tam said:DiamondSCattleCo said:Certainly they are doing some of the same things as the SSGA. I never said the SSGA was all bad, nor all their decisions in error. However it is my understanding that the WSGA supports allowing BSE testing and are against further packer concentration within Canada. I know the SSGA is against BSE testing, and I haven't gotten an answer about fighting further packing plant consolidations.
Rod
Just what do you mean by the SSGA is against BSE testing?
A resolution passed on May 31 2005. By the SSGA
Be it resolved that SSGA ask CBEF to trial test export markets with OTM BSE tested products and the be done as soon as possible and that SSGA, CBEF and CCA expedite this market trial.
Looks to me as if the SSGA is open to testing OTM for market access ROD. This resolution was passed at the same meeting that they passed the resolution about importation of own used generic drugs, pesticides and herdicidies. You know Rod IVOMEC that you also said they had not take a favorable stance on.
And as far as fighting packer concentration just how do you think the SSGA should do that Rod? From what I see they are giving the producers the information needed to decide for themselves if they want to invest their money in a plant on the viability of the plants proposed BUSINESS PLAN and are lobbying the government to provide tax breaks for those that do decide to invest. If that is doing nothing then WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THAT IS ANY BETTER?
Well Tam-- As a self acclaimed industry leader your comments on here could easily have led Rod to believe that you and your group (SSGA) are anti-everything and anything.....
That is definitely the impression you have left with me about the SSGA...
Randy when does the membership of BIG C vote for their officers?
rkaiser said:Big Muddy asks -Randy when does the membership of BIG C vote for their officers?
BIG C is not a structured organization. It is simply a group of ranchers who were not sucked in to the BSEconomics of BSE. There has never been a vote for anything but direction - just like the votes that we took when we took our show on the road in front of close to 8000 other discontented ranchers. These folks gave us direction Big Muddy.
Don't worry BMR, BIG C never intended to become anything more than a reminder to those who think they are the voice of the rancher, that they actually are not. We asked for the 100 bucks from supporters so that we could carry their message to government and so called industry leadership and we did, and continue to do that. We also told these folks that if we ever threw in the towel we would donate the left over cash to 4H. Not much cash left now BMR, and we don't plan to ask for any more. We are looking for a home and the Western Stock Growers seem to be the place for us to go. They were vocal and visible at meetings we also attended, and do support BSE testing with more then a resolution. You and Tam will likely throw some more dough questions my way to try to discredit BIG C.
I'd like to ask one before you get started. Did the SSGA take a plane ride (with Tam taggin along behind on her broom) to the office of the federal ag minister to follow up on their resolution calling for BSE testing? That's what we told those that donated we would do and we did it. It cost them their money but we opened that door, and continue to open doors with only our own money and time.
Unfortunately - our commucapitalist government is only as truly democratic as your own personal perception - just as you feel BIG C is illegitimate because we did not vote for Cam as the president.
Oldtimer said:Well Tam -- You have led me to believe that Big Muddy was the Grand Poobah of SSGA and you were the affiliate advisor to the Grand Poobah :wink: -- And your negativity toward everything possibly gave be a false impression to what they actually believe in and are doing....
I know that position on testing is much more in line with the Saskatchewan ranchers I have talked with- much more than the one you professed on this website.....Altho those ranchers also echoed the fact that they think not enough is being done.....
Big Muddy rancher said:Oldtimer said:Well Tam -- You have led me to believe that Big Muddy was the Grand Poobah of SSGA and you were the affiliate advisor to the Grand Poobah :wink: -- And your negativity toward everything possibly gave be a false impression to what they actually believe in and are doing....
I know that position on testing is much more in line with the Saskatchewan ranchers I have talked with- much more than the one you professed on this website.....Altho those ranchers also echoed the fact that they think not enough is being done.....
Oldtimer since you know my name and have acess to a computer and the SSGA web site you really failed to use the investigative skill you honed as a sheriff.
Oldtimer said:Big Muddy rancher said:Oldtimer said:Well Tam -- You have led me to believe that Big Muddy was the Grand Poobah of SSGA and you were the affiliate advisor to the Grand Poobah :wink: -- And your negativity toward everything possibly gave be a false impression to what they actually believe in and are doing....
I know that position on testing is much more in line with the Saskatchewan ranchers I have talked with- much more than the one you professed on this website.....Altho those ranchers also echoed the fact that they think not enough is being done.....
Oldtimer since you know my name and have acess to a computer and the SSGA web site you really failed to use the investigative skill you honed as a sheriff.
I Didn't even know they had a website- I just thought Tam was their web spokesperson....... :wink: :lol:
Really didn't matter to me- but the Canucks on Agri-ville are sure burning at the stake the ABP/CCA and Canadian cattlemans organizations for lack of action in a current thread...It was stirred up enough I didn't even have to stir :wink: :lol: :lol:
DiamondSCattleCo said:Ok Tam, I'm lost. I hunted the SSGA's website looking for that resolution you quoted, as well as what action was taken, and can't find a thing on it. My wife does accuse me of being blind like bat though, so can you post the link to the resolution and the action that was taken?
And can you explain this one to me, please?
"Whereas; the Canadian beef cattle industry is highly dependant upon export sales; Be it resolved, that SSGA lobby both the provincial and federal governments to empower Canada’s WTO negotiators with a mandate to achieve substantial improvements in global market access for Canadian beef exports."
I thought our WTO negotiators were already empowered to seek improvements in market access for all Canadian industry? Indeed, I thought that was their job, or at least a substantial portion of their job?
Rod
Tam said:But in the mean time could I suggest something to you Rod. Since your information sources about what the SSGA does for producers has left you with egg on your face several times, maybe it is time to get a new information source :?
Tam said:And about the resolution about the WTO negotiators, I believe it was the feelings of the SSGA membership that when the WTO negotiators were making deals with other countries either for exporting any Canadian products or access of their products to Canada that our government give them the mandate to use that opportunity to negotiate access for Canadian beef to those same markets.
Tam said:I still think if we were to do it we could be putting ourselves at risk of any country that wants to demand something unjust would expect us to do as they ask. When would the demands stop and what could those demand cost an industry that is struggleing to stay competitive????
DiamondSCattleCo said:Tam said:But in the mean time could I suggest something to you Rod. Since your information sources about what the SSGA does for producers has left you with egg on your face several times, maybe it is time to get a new information source :?
Ummmm, twice is several times? But obviously the Saskatchewan CCA rep doesn't have it all on the ball. By the same token, if the SSGA's website held resolutions for more than 1 year, a person could verify things. When I was told about the SSGA's opposition to BSE testing, I did indeed look for verification on their website and found nothing.
So tell me, what steps were taken AFTER the resolution was passed? Were there any results? Who was spoke to and when? Does the SSGA intend to press the issue.
Tam said:And about the resolution about the WTO negotiators, I believe it was the feelings of the SSGA membership that when the WTO negotiators were making deals with other countries either for exporting any Canadian products or access of their products to Canada that our government give them the mandate to use that opportunity to negotiate access for Canadian beef to those same markets.
I'm assuming this means that the SSGA and their membership felt our WTO negotiators were already not doing that?
Rod