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Typical, how liberals would like to deal with bullying

hypocritexposer

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"do not verbally defend yourself"

"Do not tell"

"don't be a sore loser"

typical..."if we, as liberals bully you, shut your mouths, stay silent, let us do what we are going to do."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2607021/Nebraska-principal-sorry-dont-tattle-flier.html
 

backhoeboogie

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This is the internet. You have to adapt to dealing with things on a different level.

Confront me or insult me out in the pasture, the outcome would be different. Kind of hard to teach someone a lesson with words. Think of the old, "Sticks and stones may break my bones' thing. It simply does not apply.

A Bully is generally a coward, for some reason or another.
 

backhoeboogie

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hypocritexposer said:
Do not let a "progressive prick" like OT win...he'll never silence me, how about you?

I just looked at our born on dates, out of curiosity. Neither of us have been ran off yet.

He is entitled to his opinion. It aint all bad.
 

hypocritexposer

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backhoeboogie said:
hypocritexposer said:
Do not let a "progressive prick" like OT win...he'll never silence me, how about you?

I just looked at our born on dates, out of curiosity. Neither of us have been ran off yet.

He is entitled to his opinion. It aint all bad.

His opinion does wonders for Conservatives...has also scared off enough progressives...seems they don't want to be associated with his type of liberalism...

Many of those that are denouncing the bullying attempts in the opening post, would also denounce OT's bullying attempts,. and also be on the edge of his pasture.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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backhoeboogie said:
hypocritexposer said:
Do not let a "progressive prick" like OT win...he'll never silence me, how about you?

I just looked at our born on dates, out of curiosity. Neither of us have been ran off yet.

He is entitled to his opinion. It aint all bad.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, don't believe that is the main source of contention.
 

backhoeboogie

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iwannabeacowboy said:
backhoeboogie said:
hypocritexposer said:
Do not let a "progressive prick" like OT win...he'll never silence me, how about you?

I just looked at our born on dates, out of curiosity. Neither of us have been ran off yet.

He is entitled to his opinion. It aint all bad.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, don't believe that is the main source of contention.

His opinion hasn't run me off. Bullying hasn't run me off. I still read regularly. His opinion often humors me. He hated Dubya and couldn't wait for O. All these years later it is still Dubya's fault. Surprised he doesn't blame him for the Civil War - but it is all his opinion.

Don't think anyone was stalked or harassed back when. But that is my opinion. THere are still attention posts up in the sticky section all this time later.,
 

backhoeboogie

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Faster horses said:
I think Tam has undergone some bullying on this forum and it wasn't just by liberals... :cry:

Some here need to look in the mirror.


Tam would not follow those rules laid out in :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2607021/Nebraska-principal-sorry-dont-tattle-flier.html
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Faster horses said:
I think Tam has undergone some bullying on this forum and it wasn't just by liberals... :cry:

Some here need to look in the mirror.

I'd have to whole heatedly disagree. The following is "bullying":

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Actually it is tyranny and anyone who supports this type of action, especially in their own industry is sick. If emphatically disagreeing with these tactics employed on a US citizen is bullying, then so be it. I'll disagree with liberals all day long about out of control spending and the upkeep of the lazy, but this is way beyond that. This is an armed attack on a citizen, that no one can argue there was not other options to address the situation. If you support this federal behavior, you are unamerican. I'll gladly wear the badge of bully. It is becoming the new "racist".
 

Tam

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Care to point out where I said I supported what happen on behalf of the BLM? I had a differing opinion to how you thought it should have been handled, which seems to be giving Bundy a pass and making him a folk hero even though he admits he was breaking the law for 20 years, all while you are demanding the left hold their law breakers accountable, but I have never said I supported what happen to those cattle or the protestors as far as that goes.

I said I wished they had handled this whole mess at State level and kept the BLM out of it as much as possible. I said several times I wished the Governor had forced the Sheriff to handle it by enforcing NEVADA LIVESTOCK TRESPASS LAWS and kept the BLM out of it by making the Bundy family deal with their own trespassing cattle. But that did not seem to match with a few opinions around here so after 9 years of being a strong limited government Conservative I was turned into the enemy and called a Big Government lover and a risk to your way of life. :x

I dared to have one opinion that was not in LOCKSTEP with yours and I'm attacked and brow beaten with post after post of snide remarks to the point I was going to leave Ranchers as like the progressives Hyp claims left as they didn't want to be associated with Oldtimer, I don't care to be associated with Hypocrites that claim people have a right to their opinion but when their opinion is not exactly like yours you attack and bully just like you claim Oldtimer does.

I have agreed with very little Oldtimer has ever said but you guys are hypocrites to claim he is walking in lockstep with the Dem Cultists when you attack me for having a single differing opinion.

Now, go right on being distracted by the High profile Bundy story while the BLM finish their land grab of actual Deeded land in Texas and the EPA destroy any ones rights to build a pond on their private property. :roll:

YEP :roll: I'm a threat to your way of life because I will not back a guy that admits he has been trespassing on Federal Land for over 20 years. Wake up and look around before the EPA owns all your water rights and you are paying millions in fines due to building a State Permitted gold fish pond on your private property. :roll: :x
 

backhoeboogie

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Tam,

I hope you stick around.

Not that you agree with everything I post, when I post, or that you disagree. I just enjoy reading your perspectives.

A whole lot of folks leave. Their choice. This is yours and I respect that too.
 

backhoeboogie

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I am not pro Bundy - I am anti BLM

The land should go out for bids every 5 years or so if it is public land.

BLM has no right taking anyone's cows.

My opinion.
 

loomixguy

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Miss Tam...I never gave you a hard time about the Bundy vs. BLM fiasco...I have a high regard for your opinion. But I have a hard time swallowing what you said concerning OT, especially after he ran off H.
Only a walking sphincter would do what he's done...and he marches in lock step with his fellow liberal sphincters. His views are indefensible, just like his actions. How many members here do you think he's either stalked or dropped a dime on?
 
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This is how I often envision extremists (both sides) and follow the brand cultists-- that only see the vision they want- or that their cult handlers tell them... They don't want to see or hear if there are other views/perspectives to the issue...

Just because you don't like a law doesn't mean its still not legal- or that you can disregard it or resist legal authority when they are enforcing it... Until overturned by a court or legislative authority- it still is the law...

Just because you believe a law or court order is unconstitutional does not mean it is- and until overturned by a superior court or by legislation it is considered a law....

I agreed with Tam- and many others in the ranch community that I didn't think this lawbreaker who does not recognize the US government or their authority was the case that the ranch world wanted to saddle up with and ride with as an example of government/BLM abuse... It was making the ranching world look like a bunch of fly off the handle, gun toting, camo wearing, lawbreaking anti-government extemists and anarchists-- which is not what I have found in my lifetime of working with ranch folks... It was doing the ranching image way more harm then good...

I still think I am right- and its sad that some like H can't/don't want to see what some others see of the issue or even recognize there are opposing views... I posted those articles to give those that don't have their heads in the sand an idea of what was being said about the issue..

If you keep your head in the sand long enough pretty soon the world has past you by and you don't even know it... :(
 

Big Muddy rancher

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loomixguy said:
Miss Tam...I never gave you a hard time about the Bundy vs. BLM fiasco...I have a high regard for your opinion. But I have a hard time swallowing what you said concerning OT, especially after he ran off H.
Only a walking sphincter would do what he's done...and he marches in lock step with his fellow liberal sphincters. His views are indefensible, just like his actions. How many members here do you think he's either stalked or dropped a dime on?

OT never chased H off anymore then most of the rest of us could be accused of chasing anybody else off that got mad and left of their own decision. :? :?

H wants to defend ranching as we all do but stomping your own hat into the ground doesn't show well.
For 8 years I sat at the table in meetings for the Stockgrowers at Crown land stake holders meetings, Wildlife advisory Meetings and the Prairie Conservation Action Plan PCAP and Chaired it for three years.Think I didn't get frustrated? Would it have helped if I thrown a fit and went home?

We had our wins, my friend found the passage in the "Big Book" of the Lands Act that kept ranchers able to renew their leases during the Treaty Land entitlement battle.

I was Chair of the PCAP for 3 years. We promoted grazing and converted many environmentalists into conservationists that supported grazing. "Better cows that plows"

Do you think we would have had the success we had if we had gone and sat in the corner and not talked to anybody we disagreed with?

Since my terms on the SSGA three of us like minded ranchers have started the Ranchers Stewardship Alliance Inc (RSAInc)
We have applied for grants and had a study commissioned to show how much well managed grasslands contribute to society. We have held workshops to develop a Payment for Ecological Services to pay ranchers for the habitat they provide for species at risk.
We don't always win, but I think we have won many small battles. Will we win the war?

It won't be for lack of trying. :cowboy:
 

Tam

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backhoeboogie said:
I am not pro Bundy - I am anti BLM

The land should go out for bids every 5 years or so if it is public land.

BLM has no right taking anyone's cows.

My opinion.

And I believe the land should stay with the leasee as long as they are paying the permit/lease fees but as soon as they stop paying for access yes it should be put back up for bids to get somebody in there willing to pay for access. Set aside the fact it was the hated BLM could Bundy have gotten away with this if it had been a private land owner he was leasing pasture from and trespassing on the private land owners neighbors like he was in this case? So why if it is the BLM and their neighbor the National Forest Service should he get away with it?

And no they should not have taken the cattle but if you look at Nevada State Livestock Law the legal land owner which in this case is the Federal Government until the State steps up and does something about it, has the right to seize the cattle for back payment of fees and damages. I have said before and will say again I wish the local sheriff had gone to the ranch and arrested Bundy using the STATE LIVESTOCK LAWS and forced his family to deal with the trespassing cattle and kept the BLM out of it but that did not happen and that is the fault of the State authorities. Maybe if they had asked the BLM to let them handle it they might not have had the stand off with poor cattle dying and people being tazed but I guess we will never know as the stupid way this whole issue was handled is now in the History books and tainting the reputation of all ranchers in the eyes of most leftwing people that think we are like Bundy. And if you don't believe me go read a few blog sites where they are discussing last weeks media blitz over the Stand off. They think we all support this guys actions because they saw a guys with guns and guys on horses protesting in support of him. Never mind the fact 99.999% of us pay our lease fees and try work with our landlords when disagreements happen which I'm sure we all know they do from time to time and we don't all toss up our hands and claim the landlord no longer exist therefore no payment is due.

We are all being painted with the same brush the Bundy family is being painted with just like all Tea Party people are TEABAGGERS because they dare to want accountability within their government.
 

Tam

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loomixguy said:
Miss Tam...I never gave you a hard time about the Bundy vs. BLM fiasco...I have a high regard for your opinion. But I have a hard time swallowing what you said concerning OT, especially after he ran off H.
Only a walking sphincter would do what he's done...and he marches in lock step with his fellow liberal sphincters. His views are indefensible, just like his actions. How many members here do you think he's either stalked or dropped a dime on?

Funny That is the same thing Leanin H said to me right before he had his public melt down and told Oldtimer, he and I deserved each other. Yep I deserve a guy that I have spent 9 years fighting with, in support of strong Conservative values which I somehow mistakenly thought meant laws mean something and not just when they pertain to the OTHER SIDE.

Face it Leanin H left as not everyone was willing to walk in lockstep in his beliefs that Bundy needed our full support. But sorry if I'm going to insist the left be held accountable then they need to see us holding our own admitted law breakers accountable as not to look like Hypocrites like we all know they are guilty of when it comes to their defense to this Corrupt snooping targeting, gun running, stonewalling Administration.

What was it Wannabe said to me in one of his little rants oh yea why do I want to hold one side accountable and not the other. I might ask him and a few others the same. We either stand with the law or we fall to hypocrisy and I chose to stand to fight another day.

BTW while you are all distracted by the Bundy BLM Fiasco the Wyoming family fighting for your future rights to build a pond with State issued permits is racking up $75,000 a day in EPA OVER REACHING FINES. :? I've emailed Fox news asking them to shed some light on that issue what have any of you done to protect your future water right issues since I was the one H accused of never looking beyond our ranch gate? :wink:





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loomixguy

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Show me where I said ONE NEGATIVE WORD about your views on the Bundy/BLM fiasco.

H is a big boy. If he couldn't take the heat he needed to get out of the place where meals are cooked.

I purposely stayed out of this urination contest because of the regard I have for yourself and most of the other players. I wish this hadn't happened.

As for OT, you could toss him farther than you could trust him. The true definition of a counterfeit.

I would like to think that we are still friends, for lack of a better word. Ball's in your court.
 
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