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U.S. Officials Offer Dismal Review of War in Afghanistan

Steve

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can we win by having Biden insult Karzai?

Nosedive in Afghan-US relations

The decline in relations began with a visit last year by Joe Biden, now the vice-president, to Kabul.

At the time, as the Democratic vice-presidential candidate, he attended a private meeting with Mr Karzai. Joe Biden's meeting with President Karzai reportedly did not go well.

In a country where honour and decorum are second only to God and country, Biden was less than tactful.

and more recently in confirmation hearings, senior members of President Barack Obama's team have questioned the effectiveness and honesty of Hamid Karzai's government.

Hamid Karzai has become increasingly vociferous in his criticism of American military tactics and has been making half-hearted threats to shift his allegiance to Moscow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7870340.stm

for a so called foreign policy "expert" it sure looks as if Biden has already screwed up by insulting a foreign leader... with inept policy decisions...

and this is with an ally..

:roll: :roll: :wink:
 

badaxemoo

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I think Obama is making a big mistake by trying to double-down in Afghanistan.

Military solutions didn't work for the British and didn't work for the Soviets, and I don't think in that hardscrabble place they are going to work for us.
 

kolanuraven

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Karzai needs to be weaned off the SugarTit the Bush Admn has him on and he needs to ' man up' and run his country.....not just the city that he stays hidden in.
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
I think Obama is making a big mistake by trying to double-down in Afghanistan.

Military solutions didn't work for the British and didn't work for the Soviets, and I don't think in that hardscrabble place they are going to work for us.

He said he was going to do it when he was campaigning. About the only campaign promise he has kept....
 

badaxemoo

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Sandhusker said:
badaxemoo said:
I think Obama is making a big mistake by trying to double-down in Afghanistan.

Military solutions didn't work for the British and didn't work for the Soviets, and I don't think in that hardscrabble place they are going to work for us.

He said he was going to do it when he was campaigning. About the only campaign promise he has kept....

I know he did.

He was trying to appeal to the crowd that thinks the only way to show toughness is with a bullet.

I didn't agree with it as a campaign tactic and I don't agree with it as policy.
 

badaxemoo

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Sandhusker said:
Obviously, it wasn't a "campaign tactic".

Sure it was.

He chose to highlight it over other any other number of possible issues, obviously because he and his campaign staff thought it would play well.

I would call that making it a tactic.
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
Obviously, it wasn't a "campaign tactic".

Sure it was.

He chose to highlight it over other any other number of possible issues, obviously because he and his campaign staff thought it would play well.

I would call that making it a tactic.

I'ts not a campaign tactic when you plan on following through.
 

Steve

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
Obviously, it wasn't a "campaign tactic".

Sure it was.

He chose to highlight it over other any other number of possible issues, obviously because he and his campaign staff thought it would play well.

I would call that making it a tactic.


I would hope that no person would stoop to such a low and deplorable position.. If it was a campaign tactic to win an election.. then that makes Obama a real scuzbag in my book.. sending troops into battle so Obama could win an election is about as low as you can get..

but then again liberals seldom show much respect for the military,.. trading body bags for votes is sick..
 

Tam

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Steve said:
badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
Obviously, it wasn't a "campaign tactic".

Sure it was.

He chose to highlight it over other any other number of possible issues, obviously because he and his campaign staff thought it would play well.

I would call that making it a tactic.


I would hope that no person would stoop to such a low and deplorable position.. If it was a campaign tactic to win an election.. then that makes Obama a real scuzbag in my book.. sending troops into battle so Obama could win an election is about as low as you can get..

but then again liberals seldom show much respect for the military,.. trading body bags for votes is sick..

This is no different than his campaign promise to close Gitmo. If any of those detainees return to the battlefield like 62 released detainees have already he will be trading body bags of soldiers for votes from those wanting Gitmo closed. :roll:
 

badaxemoo

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Steve said:
badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
Obviously, it wasn't a "campaign tactic".

Sure it was.

He chose to highlight it over other any other number of possible issues, obviously because he and his campaign staff thought it would play well.

I would call that making it a tactic.


I would hope that no person would stoop to such a low and deplorable position.. If it was a campaign tactic to win an election.. then that makes Obama a real scuzbag in my book.. sending troops into battle so Obama could win an election is about as low as you can get..

but then again liberals seldom show much respect for the military,.. trading body bags for votes is sick..

If you think showing respect for the military involves donning a flightsuit and zipping out to an aircraft carrier for a "Mission Accomplished" party, I guess we'll have to disagree.

Did Rumsfeld show respect for the military by sending in a force that was too small and woefully unprepared to get the job done keeping order after the initial invasion? How many Iraqi and American lives would have been saved had he done so?

I think the biggest disrespect you can show the military is squandering the lives of men and women in futility like we have in Iraq and Vietnam, and both parties played roles in those fiascos.

Let me repeat, I think the "tactic" Obama used during the campaign was emphasizing and highlighting his desire to focus on Afghanistan, because he mistakenly believes we can win that one by doubling down.
 

Steve

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badaxemoo said:
Steve said:
badaxemoo said:
Sure it was.

He chose to highlight it over other any other number of possible issues, obviously because he and his campaign staff thought it would play well.

I would call that making it a tactic.


I would hope that no person would stoop to such a low and deplorable position.. If it was a campaign tactic to win an election.. then that makes Obama a real scuzbag in my book.. sending troops into battle so Obama could win an election is about as low as you can get..

but then again liberals seldom show much respect for the military,.. trading body bags for votes is sick..

If you think showing respect for the military involves donning a flightsuit and zipping out to an aircraft carrier for a "Mission Accomplished" party, I guess we'll have to disagree.

Did Rumsfeld show respect for the military by sending in a force that was too small and woefully unprepared to get the job done keeping order after the initial invasion? How many Iraqi and American lives would have been saved had he done so?

I think the biggest disrespect you can show the military is squandering the lives of men and women in futility like we have in Iraq and Vietnam, and both parties played roles in those fiascos.

Let me repeat, I think the "tactic" Obama used during the campaign was emphasizing and highlighting his desire to focus on Afghanistan, because he mistakenly believes we can win that one by doubling down.

Rumsfiled was wrong.. Bush was wrong... but Rumsfield wasn't runnig for an office or useing the military to get votes.. Bush had already won the election, so he had no need to "trade votes for dead soldiers..


if what you claim is true,... hat it is a " "campaign tactic" " and that the war is unwinnable

then either Obama is an idiot.. or Obama did use the troops as campaign fodder, then He is the worst sort of politician there is... and time will tell, I hope your wrong.

it's one thing to try to do what you think is right.. it is sick and deplorable to send troops into a unwinnable war just to pander to a few fence sitters..t
 

badaxemoo

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Steve said:
badaxemoo said:
Steve said:
I would hope that no person would stoop to such a low and deplorable position.. If it was a campaign tactic to win an election.. then that makes Obama a real scuzbag in my book.. sending troops into battle so Obama could win an election is about as low as you can get..

but then again liberals seldom show much respect for the military,.. trading body bags for votes is sick..

If you think showing respect for the military involves donning a flightsuit and zipping out to an aircraft carrier for a "Mission Accomplished" party, I guess we'll have to disagree.

Did Rumsfeld show respect for the military by sending in a force that was too small and woefully unprepared to get the job done keeping order after the initial invasion? How many Iraqi and American lives would have been saved had he done so?

I think the biggest disrespect you can show the military is squandering the lives of men and women in futility like we have in Iraq and Vietnam, and both parties played roles in those fiascos.

Let me repeat, I think the "tactic" Obama used during the campaign was emphasizing and highlighting his desire to focus on Afghanistan, because he mistakenly believes we can win that one by doubling down.

Rumsfiled was wrong.. Bush was wrong... but Rumsfield wasn't runnig for an office or useing the military to get votes.. Bush had already won the election, so he had no need to "trade votes for dead soldiers..


if what you claim is true,... hat it is a " "campaign tactic" " and that the war is unwinnable

then either Obama is an idiot.. or Obama did use the troops as campaign fodder, then He is the worst sort of politician there is... and time will tell, I hope your wrong.

it's one thing to try to do what you think is right.. it is sick and deplorable to send troops into a unwinnable war just to pander to a few fence sitters..t

Maybe I'm not making myself clear.

I believe Obama truly thinks we can win the war with more troops.

In addition, he thinks it is an issue that will resonate with voters who are concerned about a Democratic President being "weak".

He chooses to highlight Afghanistan, along with several other key issues, as major points in his campaign.

This is not pandering, it is using political tactics.

Given the limited knowledge I have, I don't like his views on Afghanistan, but I like many of his other stances. I hope I am wrong as well, and that the Taliban is defeated and that peace comes to that poor country.

I voted for him despite his views on Afghanistan.

I don't think Obama is an idiot because I disagree with him.

I don't think you are an idiot because I disagree with you.
 

hypocritexposer

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I believe Obama truly thinks we can win the war with more troops.

I agree with you Badaxe, Obama watched what happened in Iraq, and believes it is the same situation in Afghanistan.

He's right on Iraq, we'll see with Afghanistan!
 
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