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Ukraine crisis: Crimea parliament asks to join Russia

hypocritexposer

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So if the PM is overthrown, or impeached after he has been chased out fo the Country, the people have spoken, correct. And the rest of the World will respect their decision as Democracy?

That's what we were told about Ukraine.

MPs in Crimea have asked Moscow to allow the southern Ukrainian region to become part of the Russian Federation.

The parliament said if its request was granted, Crimean citizens could give their view in a referendum on 16 March.

Ukraine's interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said the move had no legal grounds.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26465962
 

Mike

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Is what Putin et al is doing now so much different than what Lincoln did here 150 years ago?

After all, he is trying to assemble the USSR back together............and unify them.
 

Steve

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Mike said:
Is what Putin et al is doing now so much different than what Lincoln did here 150 years ago?

After all, he is trying to assemble the USSR back together............and unify them.

except it was to stop the entire breakaway instead of grabbing key territory..



This is not really much different then what Putin did in Georgia in 2008.. instigated a problem.. started a mini civil war..

and then sent in troops to "protect the Russians living there"..

and now those same areas of Georgia are desolate,.. abandoned.. and if a referendum was held today it would fail miserably for Putin..



what is happening in the Crimean is similar to what is happening to many areas in our southwest... Mexicans have moved in taken over. and pushed out the population,... and even with my low opinion of California..
if Mexico or the Mexican citizens in southern California held a referendum.. I would join the forces to throw those stupid ungrateful bastards out..

but they won't.. they know how good they have it here..

in both situations you have a small minority of people who are sitting in someone else's country and trying to force their nationalistic view on that country.. and in some areas they are now the majority..


and that doesn't justify giving them a critical territory.

would we give Mexico part of our country?

how about Detroit.. should it become a Muslim nation?

parts of Minneapolis.. just to name a few areas where immigrant populations have overwhelmed the locals.

as much as these places have become s--- hole third world areas.. they are still not going to get them..
 

Steve

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there are some people who claim the government in Ukraine is calling for a referendum..

unlike the countries parliament that is open and all the representatives were elected.. and even the disposed president's party voted to throw him out..

edited to add:
A presidential impeachment bill was introduced in Ukrainian parliament on Friday evening. The bill was published on parliament’s website.

The new impeachment bill was authored by Nikolay Rudkovskiy, head of the Socialist Party in Ukraine, which is part of the ruling Party of Regions coalition.

Current Ukrainian legislation has an impeachment clause.

Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych on Feb. 22; sets May 25 for new election

Even members of Mr. Yanukovych’s party, the Party of Regions, turned on him and voted with the opposition.



the so called vote in the Crimean is not as it appears..

we often see local leaders with government sounding titles quoted in Russian news sources..

but the facts show .. they ain't even the government..

Alexei Chaly, who claims to be mayor of Sevastopol though he has not been elected,

so really one of the people speaking for "the Crimean.. isn't really a representative.. but instead a mini dictator..


and he is not alone..
Feb. 27: Masked gunmen seize regional parliament and government buildings in Crimea.

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/timeline-key-events-in-ukraine-s-political-crisis-1.1711475#ixzz2vDdvFpRS

Witnesses said the gunmen in Simferopol, the Crimean regional capital, wore unmarked camouflage uniforms and carried rocket-propelled grenades, sniper rifles and other weapons. They raised the Russian flag over the local parliament building.

The men did not immediately voice any demands and threw a flash grenade in response to a journalist's questions. They wore black and orange ribbons, a Russian symbol of the victory in World War II, and put up a sign reading "Crimea is Russia."

"Our activists were sitting there all night calmly, building the barricades," he said. "At 5 o'clock unknown men turned up and went to the building. They got into the courtyard and put everyone on the ground.

"They were asking who we were. When we said we stand for the Russian language and Russia, they said: 'Don't be afraid. We're with you.' Then they began to storm the building bringing down the doors," he said. "They didn't look like volunteers or amateurs; they were professionals. This was clearly a well-organized operation."

In a statement, the local government said Crimean Prime Minister Anatoly Mogilyev had tried to negotiate with the gunmen but was told "they were not authorized to negotiate and present demands."



On February 27, 2014, during the 2014 Crimean crisis, Refat Chubarov, leader of Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People and member of the Council of Ministers of Crimea, said that unknown gunmen seized the Building of the Supreme Council of Crimea (the Parliament) on Karla Marksa Street and the building of the Council of Ministers on Kirova Avenue in Simferopol.[7]

Fifty gunmen occupied the building of the Crimean legislature, barricaded the building and installed machine guns at the front entrance. They allowed entrance to the Speaker of the Parliament and some members of legislature, but denied entrance to officials of the executive office.[8]

Under siege, and in violation of all due process,[8] the Supreme Council of Crimea held an emergency session and passed a motion of no confidence in the Council of Ministers and adopted a resolution to terminate its powers.[7] The parliament dismissed the Chairman and Prime Minister, Anatolii Mohyliov pursuant to Article 136 of the Constitution of Ukraine, and replaced him with Sergey Aksyonov, a known member of organized crime.[8] They voted to hold a referendum on the independence of Crimea on May 25.[9]

Olha Sulnikova, head of information and analysis department of parliament, reported on the phone from inside the parliamentary building that 61 of the registered 64 deputies had voted for the referendum resolution and 55 for the resolution to dismiss the government.[12]

Interfax-Ukraine reported "it is impossible to find out whether all the 64 members of the 100-member legislature who were registered as present, when the two decisions were voted on or whether someone else used the plastic voting cards of some of them" because due to the armed occupation of parliament it was unclear how many members of parliament were present.[12]

Enver Abduraimov, member of the parliament presidium, said that he did not go inside when he saw that raiders who secured the building were confiscating all communications devices from deputies. Andriy Krysko, head of the Crimean branch of the Voters Committee of Ukraine, announced that no one from the parliament secretariat was in the building when voting took place.

sure the vote passes.. as the other side wasn't even allowed to vote..

but that is how they do it is Russia so it must be OK..
 

hypocritexposer

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This is not really much different then what Putin did in Georgia in 2008.. instigated a problem.. started a mini civil war..

the majority of the vote in the last election was for the guy that was overthrown.

who started the civil war?


 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
This is not really much different then what Putin did in Georgia in 2008.. instigated a problem.. started a mini civil war..

the majority of the vote in the last election was for the guy that was overthrown.

yes,.. and a MAJORITY of Representative impeached him under the rule of law.


hypocritexposer said:
who started the civil war?

so far there is no civil war.. it is an invasion by Russia.
 

hypocritexposer

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So the fascists bust into parliament, gun in hand, and demand that he be impeached, so elected officials impeach him and those that demanded his impeachment are given the positions within government that his supporters used to hold.

Looks legit to me.
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
So the fascists bust into parliament, gun in hand, and demand that he be impeached, so elected officials impeach him and those that demanded his impeachment are given the positions within government that his supporters used to hold.

Looks legit to me.

what you just posted is about as far fetched as one could get..

there were no fascists..


no guns to their head.. the RT picture and article shows one guy who is a known nut.. we have a few of those as well in our government.. Pilosi.. is just one example of an idiot that keeps getting re-elected.

all you have is a wild @$$ conspiracy theory.. in respect to the impeachment..



but you do have a great description of what happened in Crimea..

you really need to stop mixing up your wild stories..
 

Mike

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Ya'll might as well quit worrying about Ukraine.

It's over. Putin is running that show now. Buckwheat lost. :wink:

We got bigger fish to fry over here.
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
there were no fascists..



There are some known facts: First, far-right, anti-Semitic, anti-Russian and openly fascist groups have existed and do exist as a blight on modern Ukraine. A 2012 European Parliament resolution condemned the main -- but by no means most extreme -- ultra-right party, Svoboda, as "racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic."

This extraordinary EU resolution contains 18 points of concern over policies embedded in laws of the Ukrainian Rada, or Parliament. A key paragraph reads that the EU "is concerned about the rising nationalistic sentiment in Ukraine." The Parliament stresses that "racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views go against the EU's fundamental values and principles."
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
Steve said:
there were no fascists..



There are some known facts: First, far-right, anti-Semitic, anti-Russian and openly fascist groups have existed and do exist as a blight on modern Ukraine. A 2012 European Parliament resolution condemned the main -- but by no means most extreme -- ultra-right party, Svoboda, as "racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic."

This extraordinary EU resolution contains 18 points of concern over policies embedded in laws of the Ukrainian Rada, or Parliament. A key paragraph reads that the EU "is concerned about the rising nationalistic sentiment in Ukraine." The Parliament stresses that "racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views go against the EU's fundamental values and principles."

they have 1 seat..

heck we have fascists here.. you probably have few in Canada..

and I am sure they were involved.. but one seat out of 445 is not a huge percentage..

we have a few rightwingnut fascists in the TEA party.. but they don't represent US or our movement.. but OT constantly brings them up.. and you are doing the same thing..

here is the part you keep ignoring in the article you posted..
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But it is also true to say that many of the specific details of far-right activity and influence are anecdotal and perhaps contradictory.


you are doing the same thing OT does .. taking a trivial opinion of a person with a bias and making it the headlines..


you are entitled to your opinion that this is a fascist rightwingnut conspiracy. but that is all it is.. an opinion and a conspiracy theory..
 

hypocritexposer

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I seat before the protesters overthrew the government. And that's because the voters had a say in the election.

Now how many positions do they hold?

and I bet they will even hold more in the next election. I wonder if any citizens have been intimidated into voting for them, since the last election?
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
I seat before the protesters overthrew the government. And that's because the voters had a say in the election.

[/b]Now how many positions do they hold?

and I bet they will even hold more in the next election. I wonder if any citizens have been intimidated into voting for them, since the last election?


ONE.

you really need to get your Ukrainian partys straight ...


and as a bonus.. if you reread our posts the litter the board.. I already looked it up for you... :roll: :lol:
 
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