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Unease in America

kolanuraven

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Nearly all Democrats and more than six in 10 Republicans think the country has taken the wrong course. Yet their prescriptions for what the key issues should be differ somewhat — Democrats list the economy and health care followed by Iraq, while Republicans name three equally — terrorism, the economy and Iraq.



http://www.livescience.com/history/071121-ap-american-unease.html
 

Tex

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I think Joe Biden put the health care issue very well.

He said that if you had a car factory in Canada and a factory in the U.S., both with the same union and wages, the car made in Canada would be 14% cheaper because the Canadian system has a public health care system and in the U.S. companies are paying for medical coverage for their laborers.

I don't know that is still the case with the devaluing dollar, but that is how we got these big trade deficits-- 700 billion puls--6% of GDP.

I think Tom Harkin brought out the same problem when he visited Europe and realized that the subsidies the government gives over there are labeled conservation and environmental, thus allowing the Europeans to check a little box that exempts the subsidies from counting in WTO arguments over subsidies.

We have had a group of politicians who have screwed up our country in the name of free trade and globalism while selling out the country and its people.

The republicans did it to keep walmart in business and inflation in check. Now it is all coming home to roost.
 

Steve

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Tex
The republicans did it to keep walmart in business and inflation in check. Now it is all coming home to roost.
if getting votes is what counts in an election it does look like not bashing WalMart has paid off.

Insulting the Wal-Mart Voters.
"Now, pollster John Zogby is hyping "Wal-Mart voters." Weekly Wal-Mart shoppers make up about one-fifth of the U.S. population, and Zogby found that 85 percent of them voted for George W. Bush in 2004; conversely, 88 percent of folks who never shop at Wal-Mart voted for John Kerry."

"Wal-Mart has become emblematic of the anxiety around the country, and the middle-class squeeze."

Well, it's also emblematic of something else: 1.3 million workers around the country who draw a paycheck from this supposed enemy of the middle class and hundreds of millions of loyal shoppers.

In particular, a new poll out from the Pew Research Center might give Democrats more than a moment of pause. Despite a relentless anti-Wal-Mart campaign over the last few years -- funded by unions that haven't been able to organize Wal-Mart and that want to keep it from growing its grocery business -- Americans still have very positive views of Wal-Mart. And not just Americans generally, but Democrats specifically.

What's more, not only do Americans generally like Wal-Mart, they also consider it a good place to work. Only 34 percent of Americans identified Wal-Mart as a "bad" place to work, and they were, again, primarily liberal Democrats.

Rich, guilt-ridden liberals see Wal-Mart, and they see injustice.

The truth is, the people in the middle, working Americans (most of them, by far, non-unionized) see Wal-Mart for what it is: a place to get stuff for cheap, to keep the family budget in balance.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/insulting_the_walmart_voters_a.html
 

Tex

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Steve said:
Tex
The republicans did it to keep walmart in business and inflation in check. Now it is all coming home to roost.
if getting votes is what counts in an election it does look like not bashing WalMart has paid off.

Insulting the Wal-Mart Voters.
"Now, pollster John Zogby is hyping "Wal-Mart voters." Weekly Wal-Mart shoppers make up about one-fifth of the U.S. population, and Zogby found that 85 percent of them voted for George W. Bush in 2004; conversely, 88 percent of folks who never shop at Wal-Mart voted for John Kerry."

"Wal-Mart has become emblematic of the anxiety around the country, and the middle-class squeeze."

Well, it's also emblematic of something else: 1.3 million workers around the country who draw a paycheck from this supposed enemy of the middle class and hundreds of millions of loyal shoppers.

In particular, a new poll out from the Pew Research Center might give Democrats more than a moment of pause. Despite a relentless anti-Wal-Mart campaign over the last few years -- funded by unions that haven't been able to organize Wal-Mart and that want to keep it from growing its grocery business -- Americans still have very positive views of Wal-Mart. And not just Americans generally, but Democrats specifically.

What's more, not only do Americans generally like Wal-Mart, they also consider it a good place to work. Only 34 percent of Americans identified Wal-Mart as a "bad" place to work, and they were, again, primarily liberal Democrats.

Rich, guilt-ridden liberals see Wal-Mart, and they see injustice.

The truth is, the people in the middle, working Americans (most of them, by far, non-unionized) see Wal-Mart for what it is: a place to get stuff for cheap, to keep the family budget in balance.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/insulting_the_walmart_voters_a.html

You haven't put in the amount of jobs that were lost because of walmart's trade with china and their monopolistic practices.

Sam Walmart did not believe in selling out U.S. production to over seas producers, but his kids didn't have the same values.

Our strong dollar and a manipulated Chinese currency made Chinese goods very attractive by price. Walmart has been particularly adroit at arbitraging U.S. manufacturing away because of it.

Walmart has continually been caught when it comes to deceiving the customer on food items, namely carbon monoxide packaging of meat and selling Chinese "organic" foods as real organic foods.

Cheaters usually get away with things in the short run. It catches up to them in the long run, unless they are real good at it and become politicians.

Walmart does have some good attributes. Their distribution system is second to none.

This analysis is a bunch of crap:


What's more, not only do Americans generally like Wal-Mart, they also consider it a good place to work. Only 34 percent of Americans identified Wal-Mart as a "bad" place to work, and they were, again, primarily liberal Democrats.

Rich, guilt-ridden liberals see Wal-Mart, and they see injustice.


...but that has never stopped you, Steve.
 

Steve

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Tex
This analysis is a bunch of crap:

"1.3 million workers (Wal-Mart is the largest employer in the United States after the Federal government),.. and In the United States, close to 100 million shoppers patronize Wal-Mart stores every week."


are you saying they are to stupid to know what is right for them?

Care to dispute it with facts instead of insults.
 

Tex

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Steve said:
Tex
This analysis is a bunch of crap:

"1.3 million workers (Wal-Mart is the largest employer in the United States after the Federal government),.. and In the United States, close to 100 million shoppers patronize Wal-Mart stores every week."


are you saying they are to stupid to know what is right for them?

Care to dispute it with facts instead of insults.

See the new thread I posted.

It is easy for salesmen to point out the benefits of what they do. They never point out the faults.

Walmart has helped create the trade deficits we have with China. China will end up buying America instead of having to invade and take over.

They are already big competitors for oil which makes our oil prices go up.

Does having a politically/economically suppressed people allow you to compete better when it comes to price, you betya.
 

Steve

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Tex
Walmart has helped create the trade deficits we have with China.

Walmart is not the only store out there with Chinese product on there shelves..

To make them out as a scapgoat in the trade deficit is to actually ignore the real problem...

Insulting the Wal-Mart Voters., doesn't work, most know that no matter what store you go to it is stocked with Chinese products.
 

Tex

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Steve said:
Tex
Walmart has helped create the trade deficits we have with China.

Walmart is not the only store out there with Chinese product on there shelves..

To make them out as a scapgoat in the trade deficit is to actually ignore the real problem...

Insulting the Wal-Mart Voters., doesn't work, most know that no matter what store you go to it is stocked with Chinese products.

Oh, I don't disagree. I wouldn't even mind if we had a trade balance with China and worked on the human and political rights for their people. As it is, most of the businesses in China are run by the communist party elite.

I am not insulting the patrons of Walmart. How you got them to be WALMART voters, I don't know. They are doing what is in their best interests. The strategic implications are for a competent government to decide. We can only see the results of their incompetence.

Trade deficits have to do with trade policy. That is a federal government problem, not a consumer problem.

What other issue do you need to recharacterize incorrectly to make a point?
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Nearly all Democrats and more than six in 10 Republicans think the country has taken the wrong course. Yet their prescriptions for what the key issues should be differ somewhat — Democrats list the economy and health care followed by Iraq, while Republicans name three equally — terrorism, the economy and Iraq.



http://www.livescience.com/history/071121-ap-american-unease.html

The Majority of people always find the bad in things, especially when all the see in the media is them telling everyone how bad things are. A couple billion people in the world don't have a toilet to crap in I consider that having it bad. Millions are starving and have no shelter for their children I consider that having it bad.

Democrats and Republicans alike are spoiled and do not realize when and what to be thankful for. But Democrats most of all have learned to capitalize on this selfish thinking by offering social answer to the problem versus Personal responsibility answers.
 

Tex

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Nearly all Democrats and more than six in 10 Republicans think the country has taken the wrong course. Yet their prescriptions for what the key issues should be differ somewhat — Democrats list the economy and health care followed by Iraq, while Republicans name three equally — terrorism, the economy and Iraq.



http://www.livescience.com/history/071121-ap-american-unease.html

The Majority of people always find the bad in things, especially when all the see in the media is them telling everyone how bad things are. A couple billion people in the world don't have a toilet to crap in I consider that having it bad. Millions are starving and have no shelter for their children I consider that having it bad.

Democrats and Republicans alike are spoiled and do not realize when and what to be thankful for. But Democrats most of all have learned to capitalize on this selfish thinking by offering social answer to the problem versus Personal responsibility answers.

We better all be thankful and see what is down the road if we keep creating debt to pay for our ways. It is the hidden tax.
 

aplusmnt

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Tex said:
aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
Nearly all Democrats and more than six in 10 Republicans think the country has taken the wrong course. Yet their prescriptions for what the key issues should be differ somewhat — Democrats list the economy and health care followed by Iraq, while Republicans name three equally — terrorism, the economy and Iraq.



http://www.livescience.com/history/071121-ap-american-unease.html

The Majority of people always find the bad in things, especially when all the see in the media is them telling everyone how bad things are. A couple billion people in the world don't have a toilet to crap in I consider that having it bad. Millions are starving and have no shelter for their children I consider that having it bad.

Democrats and Republicans alike are spoiled and do not realize when and what to be thankful for. But Democrats most of all have learned to capitalize on this selfish thinking by offering social answer to the problem versus Personal responsibility answers.

We better all be thankful and see what is down the road if we keep creating debt to pay for our ways. It is the hidden tax.

That is why we must keep the Dem's out of office since the largest reason for our National debt is Social programs. And the Dem's have never seen a social program they did not like!
 

Tex

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aplusmnt said:
Tex said:
aplusmnt said:
The Majority of people always find the bad in things, especially when all the see in the media is them telling everyone how bad things are. A couple billion people in the world don't have a toilet to crap in I consider that having it bad. Millions are starving and have no shelter for their children I consider that having it bad.

Democrats and Republicans alike are spoiled and do not realize when and what to be thankful for. But Democrats most of all have learned to capitalize on this selfish thinking by offering social answer to the problem versus Personal responsibility answers.

We better all be thankful and see what is down the road if we keep creating debt to pay for our ways. It is the hidden tax.

That is why we must keep the Dem's out of office since the largest reason for our National debt is Social programs. And the Dem's have never seen a social program they did not like!

Tell me, aplus, when a republican promotes a social program does it count as much as a democrat doing so? Perhaps you would like to name the ones Bush has pushed through with his Congress.
 

aplusmnt

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Tex said:
aplusmnt said:
Tex said:
We better all be thankful and see what is down the road if we keep creating debt to pay for our ways. It is the hidden tax.

That is why we must keep the Dem's out of office since the largest reason for our National debt is Social programs. And the Dem's have never seen a social program they did not like!

Tell me, aplus, when a republican promotes a social program does it count as much as a democrat doing so? Perhaps you would like to name the ones Bush has pushed through with his Congress.

None that I know of?

Ps. If you want to prove me wrong don't ask me to do the work for you :wink:

Ps2. Bush is not running for office, so his 2009-2112 social programs do not scare me, but Hillary's do!
 

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