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Union actions destroy another sector.

Tam

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Talk about freaking Hypocrites

A guy was just being interviewed by FOX about the fake doctors slips that his group video taped being handed out, by his estimations, by the hundreds if not thousands and the group disrupting the interview were chanting "TELL THE TRUTH" :shock: :roll:

They called in sick, shutting down schools, then get fake doctors slips to justify cover their illegal actions and they are telling others to tell the truth. :roll: WOW what a damn joke these teachers are. Typical Dems DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO. . :mad:

They just announced the doctors are being investigated for their conduct in this issue.

As well they should be as by signing these fake sick slips in the public eye like they did they have destroyed the trust people have in any HONEST SICK SLIP being handed in. :roll:

So the Unions have destroyed the teachers moral authority and the respect for a Doctors signature. just to maintain their power over a government that they are bankrupting with their beneifit packages. :clap: :roll: :x
 

TSR

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I guess it might be possible that the doctors agree with the teachers, many possibly taught by the same. Also are we sure they all were sick slips? Most teachers have at least 2 personal days they can take for what they choose.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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TSR said:
I guess it might be possible that the doctors agree with the teachers, many possibly taught by the same. Also are we sure they all were sick slips? Most teachers have at least 2 personal days they can take for what they choose.

You wouldn't be a teacher by trade?
 

Steve

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TSR said:
I guess it might be possible that the doctors agree with the teachers, many possibly taught by the same. Also are we sure they all were sick slips? Most teachers have at least 2 personal days they can take for what they choose.

say it how ever you want...

lie
1    /laɪ/ Show Spelled [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
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1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2.something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
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1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

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3. something false or spurious his explanation was a fraud
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Tam

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TSR said:
I guess it might be possible that the doctors agree with the teachers, many possibly taught by the same. Also are we sure they all were sick slips? Most teachers have at least 2 personal days they can take for what they choose.

The Media reports were the teachers closed down the schools by calling in sick.
Ask yourself WHY call in sick when they could have used personal days? Could it be that they get paid for SICK DAYS? :?
Then media reports said School officals were telling teachers they were to have doctors slips to prove they were not at the illegal strike and making fraudulent sick claims. ASK yourself why would the School officals requested doctors slips if the teachers were using personal days like you would have us believe? :?
All of a sudden the protesting group was recorded calling out to the crowd there were doctors on the corner signing sick slips. So ask yourself why would doctors be on the corner signing slips if the teachers didn't need them to hand into the school officals to prove they were not making fraudulent claims? :?
Then teachers were recorded claiming the reason they go a sick slip was they were sick of Walker. Ask yourself why would the teachers brag about having the illegal sick slip if they had used a personal day to get out of school? :?

BTW It should not matter really how many Fake Sick Slips were handed out only that Doctors that is to be held to a VERY HIGH ethical code of standards were there trying to defraud the WI. Taxpayers by covering the teachers illegal actions with their once trusted signatures on a once trusted Sick Slip. :roll:

More than a few ACTUAL ETHICAL DOCTORS have been interviewed saying their WI counterparts broke the rules and at the very least be suspended for their actions.

Ask yourself If these doctors are willing to break the rules for the teachers who else are they willing to break the law for? :?

Would they sign a prescription for a controlled drug for a person looking to make a bit of money off the Medicare or Medicaid programs?

Would they claim a patient to be qualified for a program when they were not just so the patient could get out of paying full price for the new expensive treatment the doctor wants to try out and be paid for?

How far are they willing to bend their ethical code if they are willing to bend the rules for teachers they DON"T KNOW and have never seen before seeing them on a busy street corner one cold winter day?

One more thing how can these hypocrites that were caught claiming their were sick and compounded the lie by being caught on tape taking fake doctors slips tell anyone to tell the truth? Or did you miss them yelling at reporters today "Tell the Truth Tell the Truth"? Wonder if they will tell the truth if they are charged with defrauding the WI Government? Some how I doubt they will, I'd even bet they will plead NOT GUILT even thou they are on tape. :roll:
 

hopalong

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If they claimed to be sick and weren't is is fraud no matter how you paint it, more than likely were paid for committing a crime :mad:
Personal days would not have required the use of a slip from a Dr. so why were they accepting the signed slips other than to commit a crime???
 

hypocritexposer

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one of the reasons Walker is looking at the collective bargaining is because of the time that is actually spent in the classroom and the paid time that is not.

The incidence with the fake sick notes, proved Walker correct.

the taxpayer is noticing
 

CattleArmy

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Possibly the reason they are using sick days (not commenting on if it's right or wrong) is because it's gone on long enough they have used their personal days and all that's left is sick days.
 

hopalong

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CattleArmy said:
Possibly the reason they are using sick days (not commenting on if it's right or wrong) is because it's gone on long enough they have used their personal days and all that's left is sick days.

So commiting FRAUD because it has gone on loing enough justifies the means???
 

hypocritexposer

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CattleArmy said:
Possibly the reason they are using sick days (not commenting on if it's right or wrong) is because it's gone on long enough they have used their personal days and all that's left is sick days.

since what has gone on long enough?

You know we aren't just talking about teachers here, there are city bus drivers, DMV workers,, librarians etc.

the highest paid city worker in Madison, in 2009 was a bus driver. He made $159,258 in 2009 and the guy/gal making $30,000 is paying property taxes so that guy can have his pension and health care fully paid for.

I wonder if he took all his "sick days"?

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt_and_politics/article_24af32d4-13f4-11df-86b2-001cc4c002e0.html
 

MsSage

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Having been an assoc in an innercity school. I will say that the older teachers would never do this UNLESS they were part of the active union. The newer teachers would since they all joined the union in school and were active. Alot of the newer teachers had the attitude they were the best and did not need to learn any more about teaching once their student teaching was done. They felt they were owed and had a right to a job without being judged.

I know we lost an employee for bringing in fake Dr slips, but then it is also a prison.

Yes I was a member of the union but was not allowed to be active since I am a conservitive and was told that by many local leaders.
I feel unions did do a good job but are not needed. The only reason at first I joined was the million dollar coverage I had in case a student tried to sue me.
Other than support Dems and lobby Washington what does the union do for Teachers?
 

TexasBred

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TSR said:
I guess it might be possible that the doctors agree with the teachers, many possibly taught by the same. Also are we sure they all were sick slips? Most teachers have at least 2 personal days they can take for what they choose.

wow....wonder if those same doctors will give a student a "fake" sick leave slip whenever they need one and wonder if these same teachers will accept them IF they ever go back to work.
 

Tam

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CattleArmy said:
Teachers get paid for personal days also.

Then that makes these teachers are even stupider :roll: They used a sick day that needed a doctors note to prove when they could have used a paid personal day that doesn't. :roll: Their lie about being sick brought in the need for the un-ethical doctors actions. :roll: I hope the stupid teachers appreciate the cost of their LIES, their own moral authority over their students and a few doctors careers. But then if these doctors broke the law so eazily maybe it is best they were weeded out. :wink:
 

Tam

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MsSage said:
Having been an assoc in an innercity school. I will say that the older teachers would never do this UNLESS they were part of the active union. The newer teachers would since they all joined the union in school and were active. Alot of the newer teachers had the attitude they were the best and did not need to learn any more about teaching once their student teaching was done. They felt they were owed and had a right to a job without being judged.

I know we lost an employee for bringing in fake Dr slips, but then it is also a prison.

Yes I was a member of the union but was not allowed to be active since I am a conservitive and was told that by many local leaders.
I feel unions did do a good job but are not needed. The only reason at first I joined was the million dollar coverage I had in case a student tried to sue me.
Other than support Dems and lobby Washington what does the union do for Teachers?

When a Union is involved the meaning of JOB SECURITY is defined by how much power your Union can wheel against your employer. Everywhere else JOB SECURITY is defined on how well you do your freaking job. This is why we have teachers that can't be trusted to be in class rooms collecting a paycheck instead of unemployment. This is also why a police officer in Florida has been paid over $500,000 over the last 7 years for doing NOTHING. He can't be trusted to do his job as he failed his mental health exam but the union was able to retain his job. :roll: He has 3 years of sitting on his butt doing nothing left to retirement with full pention and health benefits. Just how much has Unions cost the employers due to untrustworthy employees? :x
 

Steve

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the highest paid city worker in Madison, in 2009 was a bus driver. He made $159,258 in 2009

not to defend the guy, but he might have been the hardest worker that was there when called..

in my short stint as a fed worker, I clocked some serious hours, premium time, and over time..

we were paid, 1 1/4 for any time past an eight hour shift, or outside of a ten hour shift when lunch / breaks were counted,

we received 1 1/4 time for Sundays, holidays and any other time that would normally fall on a day off..

I received 1 1/2 time for overtime and double time past a ten hour shift.
(it adds up quick when your average day was 12 hours)

in my second year of employment, my pay was listed as the top salaried in New Jersey, for my level and years service. ( a little over 80,000 )

every year after that I was lectured on my excessive logged hours..

I didn't schedule my hours, my supervisor did, but I showed up on time and ready to work, but when asked to come in to work, I was there, when asked to take additional hours, I did. when someone called out, I came in.. in fact one tactic I used to rack up hours was show up when I heard another whine about working a certain day if I was off, and 10 out of 10 times, they would just call in, another tactic I used was to actually work.. (I also had hundreds of grievances filed against my hours,) and in the last two years I had no problem crossing crafts, just to piss the union off.. :twisted:

so before one criticizes a person who takes home an obnoxious check, you might want to consider that maybe he is at work working ..
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
the highest paid city worker in Madison, in 2009 was a bus driver. He made $159,258 in 2009

not to defend the guy, but he might have been the hardest worker that was there when called..

in my short stint as a fed worker, I clocked some serious hours, premium time, and over time..

we were paid, 1 1/4 for any time past an eight hour shift, or outside of a ten hour shift when lunch / breaks were counted,

we received 1 1/4 time for Sundays, holidays and any other time that would normally fall on a day off..

I received 1 1/2 time for overtime and double time past a ten hour shift.
(it adds up quick when your average day was 12 hours)

in my second year of employment, my pay was listed as the top salaried in New Jersey, for my level and years service. ( a little over 80,000 )

every year after that I was lectured on my excessive logged hours..

I didn't schedule my hours, my supervisor did, but I showed up on time and ready to work, but when asked to come in to work, I was there, when asked to take additional hours, I did. when someone called out, I came in.. in fact one tactic I used to rack up hours was show up when I heard another whine about working a certain day if I was off, and 10 out of 10 times, they would just call in, another tactic I used was to actually work.. (I also had hundreds of grievances filed against my hours,) and in the last two years I had no problem crossing crafts, just to p*** the union off.. :twisted:

so before one criticizes a person who takes home an obnoxious check, you might want to consider that maybe he is at work working ..


I wasn't criticizing him at all Steve, but used the situation to illustrate that it was not just the "heros" that were being talked about in this union discussion.

the union backers in these debates always seem to bring up the firemen and the police or the teachers, but forget about the bus driver or ...

In the article it says that he earned his money, working many overtime hours.

The senior guys have first right of refusal for the hours. And depending on how their pensions work they can "pad" their pensions, the years just before retirement.
 
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