• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

UpDate on XL Pipeline

A

Anonymous

Guest
Pipeline folks were in town last week- and updated the community on upcoming local activities on the pipeline...

They said that starting September 24th there will be 24 trucks a day hauling thousands of sections of 36 inch pipe from Regina past Big Muddies thru the port of Raymond- down to Poplar and back on #2 with their final destination being the old Air Force Base (now owned by Boeing) and the town of St. Marie...
The plan calls for them storing 30-50 miles of pipeline (some sections as long as 74 feet) in a pipeyard they have rented near the runway...

The other day I talked with a farmer that signed an easement for them to go thru his property 2 years ago- and he said they again paid the lease this year altho they have done no work yet... He wouldn't say what he gets paid- but did say its a lot more than that chunk of land could ever produce in crops...
 

Mike

Well-known member
Maybe "Insane Jane" Kleeb will bring her Democratic activists up there to shut down the progress.................................................
 

Steve

Well-known member
most see that Obama's attempt to punt is to get him past the election so he can finally deny the pipeline.. and see our energy cost necessarily skyrocket.

Obama’s State Department punted a verdict on Keystone until 2013, and while his administration is busy claiming the decision has nothing to do with politics, try telling that to everyone in Washington.

The delay may placate environmental groups sore about Obama’s decision to delay a new smog rule until at least 2013.

Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune had recently told reporters Obama’s decision on Keystone would “have a very big impact” on whether the nation’s largest environmental group funnels resources more toward congressional races rather than the race for the White House.

Bill McKibben, the organizing force behind the envrionmentalists’ protests against the pipeline said he was encouraged.

“The people spoke, loudly, and thankfully the president heard,” McKibben said. “A done deal has come spectacularly undone, and TransCanada now has 1,700 miles of pipe rusting on the prairie. Since we get few even partial victories on climate, this is a big day.”

“If I’m in the Obama camp, I’m asking myself, ‘Who is now going to vote for me that wasn’t going to vote for me before if I approve this pipeline?’” Brown said. “I just don’t see the political benefit of approving the project.”

“More than 20,000 new American jobs have just been sacrificed in the name of political expediency,”

The department had already examined routes further west and northeast of Nebraska that would have avoided the Sand Hills area and had released a final supplemental environmental review in August.

so if they are now moving in Pipe and getting ready to start the pipeline,.. it looks as if TransCanada XL is betting on Obama getting thrown out... :lol:
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Steve said:
so if they are now moving in Pipe and getting ready to start the pipeline,.. it looks as if TransCanada XL is betting on Obama getting thrown out... :lol:

Or have already been told by him that as soon as the paperwork is filed and the new route studied - that it will be approved...From the way they've acted- I think its always been a go- and would have been approved if the Nebraska landowner NIMBY's hadn't started cohabitating with the Greenies at the last minute and convinced their Repub politicians to all join the enviro Dems that were objecting....
 

okfarmer

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
so if they are now moving in Pipe and getting ready to start the pipeline,.. it looks as if TransCanada XL is betting on Obama getting thrown out... :lol:

Or have already been told by him that as soon as the paperwork is filed and the new route studied - that it will be approved...From the way they've acted- I think its always been a go- and would have been approved if the Nebraska landowner NIMBY's hadn't started cohabitating with the Greenies at the last minute and convinced their Repub politicians to all join the enviro Dems that were objecting....

:???:

They say that detecting strokes early is key to long term treatment success, appearing confused or garbled thoughts may be a symptom.
 

Tam

Well-known member
At 30 a quarter just think at how much Oil Company money Obama wasted with his Political delay tactics to APEASE HIS GREENIE BASE. :roll:
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
so if they are now moving in Pipe and getting ready to start the pipeline,.. it looks as if TransCanada XL is betting on Obama getting thrown out... :lol:

Or have already been told by him that as soon as the paperwork is filed and the new route studied - that it will be approved...From the way they've acted- I think its always been a go- and would have been approved if the Nebraska landowner NIMBY's hadn't started cohabitating with the Greenies at the last minute and convinced their Repub politicians to all join the enviro Dems that were objecting....
\\\

BUsiness's like that aew not going to nelieve a known liar oldtimer!!Only idiots and fools listen to known liars, that is why no one really pays much attention to you anymore...
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
hopalong said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
so if they are now moving in Pipe and getting ready to start the pipeline,.. it looks as if TransCanada XL is betting on Obama getting thrown out... :lol:

Or have already been told by him that as soon as the paperwork is filed and the new route studied - that it will be approved...From the way they've acted- I think its always been a go- and would have been approved if the Nebraska landowner NIMBY's hadn't started cohabitating with the Greenies at the last minute and convinced their Repub politicians to all join the enviro Dems that were objecting....
\\\

BUsiness's like that aew not going to nelieve a known liar oldtimer!!Only idiots and fools listen to known liars, that is why no one really pays much attention to you anymore...

You can surmise whatever you want- but do you think a sound business would be putting out that much money on pure speculation that it will be approved :???: ... No- I think they have some backroom assurances... In fact Hillary had already signed off on it- and it would have went if Nebraskas Republican delegation of politicians all hadn't started peeing down their legs at the last minute and created a bipartisan obstacle...
 

Mike

Well-known member
I think they have some backroom assurances

Sure they do. Those "backroom assurances" were that the pipeline could continue "Full Go Ahead" just after the election so Buckwheat wouldn't pizz off his "Greenie" base of voters at the polls.

A blind man could have seen this coming........................................ :lol: :lol:

There never was a question of the pipeline being built, only how Buckwheat could garner the most amount of voters during the process by putting up a front for his "Climate Change" & "Heal The Planet" idiots.

You fell in another trap. When will you learn? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Steve

Well-known member
so basically if you believe OT's versoin.. which is quite possible.. it means Obama is willing to let 20,000 jobs wait until after the election so he can mislead the greenie-weanies..

what kind of heartless bastard would make families now living day to day wondering how they will pay bills,. no hope for these jobs.. for months.. years,.. (already 3 1/2 years.. soon to be four.)..

we have a nation that desperately needs these jobs.. any job..

and his answer ..add a few million criminal aliens to the job market and delay a critical project for political reasons,.. what a piece of ---- !
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Steve said:
so basically if you believe OT's versoin.. which is quite possible.. it means Obama is willing to let 20,000 jobs wait until after the election so he can mislead the greenie-weanies..

what kind of heartless bastard would make families now living day to day wondering how they will pay bills,. no hope for these jobs.. for months.. years,.. (already 3 1/2 years.. soon to be four.)..

we have a nation that desperately needs these jobs.. any job..

and his answer ..add a few million criminal aliens to the job market and delay a critical project for political reasons,.. what a piece of ---- !

By law--you can't give final approval to a plan that hasn't even been submitted yet... :roll: When the Nebraska NIMBY's objected- they had to find a new route and submit a new plan...

But I do think the Obama administration has given the XL folks the word that they support the project- and if they can meet the qualifications they will get the authorization...
 

Steve

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
so basically if you believe OT's versoin.. which is quite possible.. it means Obama is willing to let 20,000 jobs wait until after the election so he can mislead the greenie-weanies..

what kind of heartless bastard would make families now living day to day wondering how they will pay bills,. no hope for these jobs.. for months.. years,.. (already 3 1/2 years.. soon to be four.)..

we have a nation that desperately needs these jobs.. any job..

and his answer ..add a few million criminal aliens to the job market and delay a critical project for political reasons,.. what a piece of ---- !

By law--you can't give final approval to a plan that hasn't even been submitted yet... :roll: When the Nebraska NIMBY's objected- they had to find a new route and submit a new plan...

But I do think the Obama administration has given the XL folks the word that they support the project- and if they can meet the qualifications they will get the authorization...

so what I said is true then... he is misleading the greenie weenies and being a heartless bastard towards struggling families wanting hope of jobs..

again.. what kind of worthless piece of ---- would be so heartless to hold out hope for one groups vote and destroy the hope of another.. ?
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
so basically if you believe OT's versoin.. which is quite possible.. it means Obama is willing to let 20,000 jobs wait until after the election so he can mislead the greenie-weanies..

what kind of heartless bastard would make families now living day to day wondering how they will pay bills,. no hope for these jobs.. for months.. years,.. (already 3 1/2 years.. soon to be four.)..

we have a nation that desperately needs these jobs.. any job..

and his answer ..add a few million criminal aliens to the job market and delay a critical project for political reasons,.. what a piece of ---- !

By law--you can't give final approval to a plan that hasn't even been submitted yet... :roll: When the Nebraska NIMBY's objected- they had to find a new route and submit a new plan...

But I do think the Obama administration has given the XL folks the word that they support the project- and if they can meet the qualifications they will get the authorization...

so what I said is true then... he is misleading the greenie weenies and being a heartless bastard towards struggling families wanting hope of jobs..

again.. what kind of worthless piece of ---- would be so heartless to hold out hope for one groups vote and destroy the hope of another.. ?

So you would rather Obama violate the law- and authorize something that has not even yet been submitted, studyied, or gone thru the public comment period-- which would leave the enviros a green light into the courts and possibly years of the pipeline being held up by litigation....

Nope- I believe in obeying the laws (even if some are dumber than hell) and doing it right- and reducing/removing much of the litigation issues..

If you are going to do something- do it right...
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
By law--you can't give final approval to a plan that hasn't even been submitted yet... :roll: When the Nebraska NIMBY's objected- they had to find a new route and submit a new plan...



But I do think the Obama administration has given the XL folks the word that they support the project- and if they can meet the qualifications they will get the authorization...

so what I said is true then... he is misleading the greenie weenies and being a heartless bastard towards struggling families wanting hope of jobs..

again.. what kind of worthless piece of ---- would be so heartless to hold out hope for one groups vote and destroy the hope of another.. ?

So you would rather Obama violate the law- and authorize something that has not even yet been submitted, studyied, or gone thru the public comment period-- which would leave the enviros a green light into the courts and possibly years of the pipeline being held up by litigation....

Nope- I believe in obeying the laws (even if some are dumber than hell) and doing it right- and reducing/removing much of the litigation issues..

If you are going to do something- do it right...

Obama's reason for rejection was: "Not In The National Interest". :roll:

January 29, 2012 2:00 am • Tribune

(57) Comments




The Keystone XL pipeline was sent to the White House for President Barack Obama's signature because enough Republicans and Democrats voted to pass it. One might call that bipartisan.

And because the president had already said he did not want to approve or disapprove the permit for the pipeline before the November presidential election, they forced his hand with a 60-day deadline. He could stop it if he ruled that was in the national interest.

Obama rejected Keystone XL. Actually, he delayed action on the pipeline until after Nov. 6.

He did not do so because of environmental concerns. That's a flimsy argument, given the record.

He did not do so because a new route had to be found across Nebraska. TransCanada and Nebraska have already agreed where the pipeline cannot go, and have agreed to choose an alternative route. The construction of the pipeline can begin from the north and south, leaving central segment through Nebraska for last. It's a matter of whether you "want" to build the pipeline or not.

No, Obama said, "The announcement is not a judgment on the merits of the pipeline, but the arbitrary nature of a deadline that prevented the State Department from gathering the information necessary to approve the project and protect the American people."

That's smoke.

A majority in Congress were convinced that the 1,700-mile pipeline to be built by TransCanada, with private money, linking the coal tar sands of northern Alberta with refineries on the Gulf Coast, would be good for America. Supporters of the proposed Keystone pipeline saw jobs, a better strategic position in pursuing oil independence - at least from the Middle East - and a positive boost for the nation's energy economy. The pipeline already had three years of study behind it.

But people with environmental questions about the Keystone XL pipeline put heavy pressure on Obama at a key time. The president will be running for re-election in 2012. Conventional wisdom is that votes for Obama from the environmental community wanted Keystone locked out of the U.S.

Smoke and mirrors.

The Keystone XL pipeline will benefit the nation. It will benefit North Dakota.

The intention is to build a pipeline from southwestern North Dakota to the Keystone XL pipeline in eastern Montana, thereby reducing the discounted price on Bakken crude and reducing the number of rail and truck miles involved in getting North Dakota oil to market. It's safer.

In response to an inquiry by Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D., the Congressional Research Service has said that Congress has the authority to permit the project under the Commerce Clause.

This is a means, now that the House and Senate are back in session, for Congress to again endorse the Keystone XL pipeline and, again, sent it to Obama.

The president could veto such a move, but doing so could be much harder for him than delaying the pipeline. Maybe by then he would get it.

Truth be told, it's in the national interest to approve the Keystone XL pipeline. Congress should send it back to Obama.
 
Top