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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
so what I said is true then... he is misleading the greenie weenies and being a heartless bastard towards struggling families wanting hope of jobs..

again.. what kind of worthless piece of ---- would be so heartless to hold out hope for one groups vote and destroy the hope of another.. ?

So you would rather Obama violate the law- and authorize something that has not even yet been submitted, studyied, or gone thru the public comment period-- which would leave the enviros a green light into the courts and possibly years of the pipeline being held up by litigation....

Nope- I believe in obeying the laws (even if some are dumber than hell) and doing it right- and reducing/removing much of the litigation issues..

If you are going to do something- do it right...

Obama's reason for rejection was: "Not In The National Interest". :roll:

January 29, 2012 2:00 am • Tribune

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The Keystone XL pipeline was sent to the White House for President Barack Obama's signature because enough Republicans and Democrats voted to pass it. One might call that bipartisan.

And because the president had already said he did not want to approve or disapprove the permit for the pipeline before the November presidential election, they forced his hand with a 60-day deadline. He could stop it if he ruled that was in the national interest.

Obama rejected Keystone XL. Actually, he delayed action on the pipeline until after Nov. 6.

He did not do so because of environmental concerns. That's a flimsy argument, given the record.

He did not do so because a new route had to be found across Nebraska. TransCanada and Nebraska have already agreed where the pipeline cannot go, and have agreed to choose an alternative route. The construction of the pipeline can begin from the north and south, leaving central segment through Nebraska for last. It's a matter of whether you "want" to build the pipeline or not.

No, Obama said, "The announcement is not a judgment on the merits of the pipeline, but the arbitrary nature of a deadline that prevented the State Department from gathering the information necessary to approve the project and protect the American people."

That's smoke.

A majority in Congress were convinced that the 1,700-mile pipeline to be built by TransCanada, with private money, linking the coal tar sands of northern Alberta with refineries on the Gulf Coast, would be good for America. Supporters of the proposed Keystone pipeline saw jobs, a better strategic position in pursuing oil independence - at least from the Middle East - and a positive boost for the nation's energy economy. The pipeline already had three years of study behind it.

But people with environmental questions about the Keystone XL pipeline put heavy pressure on Obama at a key time. The president will be running for re-election in 2012. Conventional wisdom is that votes for Obama from the environmental community wanted Keystone locked out of the U.S.

Smoke and mirrors.

The Keystone XL pipeline will benefit the nation. It will benefit North Dakota.

The intention is to build a pipeline from southwestern North Dakota to the Keystone XL pipeline in eastern Montana, thereby reducing the discounted price on Bakken crude and reducing the number of rail and truck miles involved in getting North Dakota oil to market. It's safer.

In response to an inquiry by Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D., the Congressional Research Service has said that Congress has the authority to permit the project under the Commerce Clause.

This is a means, now that the House and Senate are back in session, for Congress to again endorse the Keystone XL pipeline and, again, sent it to Obama.

The president could veto such a move, but doing so could be much harder for him than delaying the pipeline. Maybe by then he would get it.

Truth be told, it's in the national interest to approve the Keystone XL pipeline. Congress should send it back to Obama.

In January I don't think XL had even submitted their new plan... Cutting corners on normal procedure is what will get you bad court rulings-- and bad law..

I have no doubt that the Nebraska Repubs unknowingly gave Obama a gift -- a reason to postpone approval til after the election- but I still think he did right by postponing it til the normal procedure of approving such an issue ( new plan is submitted, the plan is reviewed, and the public comment period is held) is completed....This removes much of the ammunition of those that will be trying to file court appeals to stop it... I think the XL folks understand this too- as they have not been very vocal about complaining..
 

Mike

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Which new plan? The project has been cancelled/postponed 3-4 times by Buckwheat.

At least a couple of times during 2010. :roll:
 
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Mike said:
Which new plan? The project has been cancelled/postponed 3-4 times by Buckwheat.

At least a couple of times during 2010. :roll:

The Pipelines major complete plan with a new route thru or around Nebraska ....The plan that had been approved by the State Dept until the Nebraska landowner NIMBY's crawled in bed with the greenies and got all their Repub politicians at the last minute to oppose it.....

As you can see- they had no plan yet figured out in January - as the revised plan was just submitted to Nebraska in mid April of this year for the new route....

I'm not even sure if they have submitted the complete new proposal to the State Dept. yet...



TransCanada submits new Keystone XL pipeline planBy Lee Ross

Published April 18, 2012

FoxNews.com


For the first time since President Obama issued a controversial order halting its progress, the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline is once again on track for bureaucratic review after TransCanada submitted a new route through Nebraska designed to avoid environmentally sensitive areas.

The new plan, which TransCanada submitted to the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality on Wednesday, takes the Keystone project out of the deep freeze that began in January when Obama agreed with the recommendation of the State Department to reject the initial pipeline application.

This new development, first reported by Fox News, allows Nebraska officials to review the impact of the pipeline's adjusted route. It also opens the door for the pipeline's builder, TransCanada, to submit a new complete proposal covering the entire length of the pipeline to the State Department for its review.

That federal approval is necessary because the pipeline, which will originate in Alberta, Canada, must cross the border for oil to reach gulf coast refineries.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/18/exclusive-transcanada-submits-new-keystone-xl-pipeline-plan/#ixzz25AEsJSW8
 

Mike

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Jan. 18, 2012 State Department denies application citing insufficient time to assess the impact of the Keystone XL pipeline.

The last application was submitted by TransCanada on May 4, 2012. That means the 90 comment period has passed and since the other parts, not the Sandhills area, has been passed and studied the whole thing should be up & running by now.

But the State Dept has said it won't be until early 2013 until the bureaucracy clears.

Point. When they denied the application in January, they knew well and good it could not go through the process until after the election.

In other words, Buckwheat pushed the approval back past the election, just like the article says.
Obama’s State Department punted a verdict on Keystone until 2013, and while his administration is busy claiming the decision has nothing to do with politics, try telling that to everyone in Washington.

The delay may placate environmental groups sore about Obama’s decision to delay a new smog rule until at least 2013.

Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune had recently told reporters Obama’s decision on Keystone would “have a very big impact” on whether the nation’s largest environmental group funnels resources more toward congressional races rather than the race for the White House.

Bill McKibben, the organizing force behind the envrionmentalists’ protests against the pipeline said he was encouraged.

“The people spoke, loudly, and thankfully the president heard,” McKibben said. “A done deal has come spectacularly undone, and TransCanada now has 1,700 miles of pipe rusting on the prairie. Since we get few even partial victories on climate, this is a big day.”

“If I’m in the Obama camp, I’m asking myself, ‘Who is now going to vote for me that wasn’t going to vote for me before if I approve this pipeline?’” Brown said. “I just don’t see the political benefit of approving the project.”

“More than 20,000 new American jobs have just been sacrificed in the name of political expediency,”

The department had already examined routes further west and northeast of Nebraska that would have avoided the Sand Hills area and had released a final supplemental environmental review in August.
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
But I do think the Obama administration has given the XL folks the word that they support the project- and if they can meet the qualifications they will get the authorization...

since when is DC backroom deals acceptable?

where is the transparency?

why Nov 6th?

the simple truth is... Obama needs the greenie-wheenie vote so he is willing to stomp on any principles he claims to have..
 

Larrry

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Oldtimer said:
But I do think the Obama administration has given the XL folks the word that they support the project- and if they can meet the qualifications they will get the authorization...

I am glad you THINK that :roll: :roll: I wonder from what source he scoured that info
 
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TransCanada Proposes New Keystone XL Route


Northern Ag Network posted on September 06, 2012 09:55 :: 144 Views


Northern Ag Network Note: If you have Google Earth installed on your computer, you will find a link to an updated map on the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality's website.

WASHINGTON, Sept 5 (Reuters) - The company planning to build the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline from Canada to Texas said on Wednesday it has submitted a new route for the project that will avoid sensitive ecological areas in Nebraska.

TransCanada Corp said the pipeline will avoid the Sandhills, a region of prairie and sand dunes that is rich in plants and wildlife, with thousands of ponds and lakes.

President Barack Obama delayed a decision on the pipeline earlier this year, citing concerns about the northern portion of the route near a major aquifer and the Sandhills in Nebraska.

TransCanada has been working with Nebraska officials to come up with a new route and it hopes to have U.S. State Department approval for the northern section early next year.


"Based on feedback from the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality and the public, we have refined our proposed routing," Russ Girling, TransCanada's president and chief executive officer, said in the release.

The alternative route submitted in an environmental report to Nebraska on Wednesday was developed "based on extensive feedback from Nebraskans, and reflects our shared desire to minimize the disturbance of land and sensitive resources in the state," said Girling.

A Nebraska public affairs official said he expected the state to publish maps of the new route on its website later on Wednesday.

An environmentalist said she would withhold comment on the new route until she had seen a map of the project.

A public affairs official with the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality said he expected the state to publish maps of the new route on its website later on Wednesday.

Construction on the 700,000 barrels per day southern part of the line, renamed the Gulf Coast project, has already begun after Obama gave his support for that section.

The Gulf Coast project will drain a glut of crude in the U.S. midsection fed mostly by the oil boom in North Dakota.

The northern section of the line needs approval from the State Department because it crosses the national border.


Source: Reuters
Posted by Haylie Shipp
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Pipeline folks were in town last week- and updated the community on upcoming local activities on the pipeline...

They said that starting September 24th there will be 24 trucks a day hauling thousands of sections of 36 inch pipe from Regina past Big Muddies thru the port of Raymond- down to Poplar and back on #2 with their final destination being the old Air Force Base (now owned by Boeing) and the town of St. Marie...
The plan calls for them storing 30-50 miles of pipeline (some sections as long as 74 feet) in a pipeyard they have rented near the runway...

The other day I talked with a farmer that signed an easement for them to go thru his property 2 years ago- and he said they again paid the lease this year altho they have done no work yet... He wouldn't say what he gets paid- but did say its a lot more than that chunk of land could ever produce in crops...

When did pipelines start paying annual payments on an easement?? Everything down this way is a onetime payment at time of signing of the easement? Doesn't matter when they start construction.
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
By law--you can't give final approval to a plan that hasn't even been submitted yet... :roll: When the Nebraska NIMBY's objected- they had to find a new route and submit a new plan...

But I do think the Obama administration has given the XL folks the word that they support the project- and if they can meet the qualifications they will get the authorization...


The XL Keystone oil pipeline is coming closer to fruition.

Friday, the Canadian company that wants to build it has gotten its final permit for an extension through Texas. (July 31)

It's the next hurdle in linking a pipeline from Alberta to the Gulf Coast.

Construction on the 500-mile stretch from Cushing to Houston will begin in the coming weeks.

President Obama has rejected a broader plan, saying the pipeline needed to be re-routed around the Sandhills in Nebraska.
 
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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
Pipeline folks were in town last week- and updated the community on upcoming local activities on the pipeline...

They said that starting September 24th there will be 24 trucks a day hauling thousands of sections of 36 inch pipe from Regina past Big Muddies thru the port of Raymond- down to Poplar and back on #2 with their final destination being the old Air Force Base (now owned by Boeing) and the town of St. Marie...
The plan calls for them storing 30-50 miles of pipeline (some sections as long as 74 feet) in a pipeyard they have rented near the runway...

The other day I talked with a farmer that signed an easement for them to go thru his property 2 years ago- and he said they again paid the lease this year altho they have done no work yet... He wouldn't say what he gets paid- but did say its a lot more than that chunk of land could ever produce in crops...

When did pipelines start paying annual payments on an easement?? Everything down this way is a onetime payment at time of signing of the easement? Doesn't matter when they start construction.

Yeah- that kind of surprised me too- as Northern Border only paid one lump sum... I see that fellow every week or two- next time I'll ask him about it if I remember....
I understand they have put up bonds to cover any damage they do to county or private roads (community of St. Marie) hauling in this pipe...
 

hopalong

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oldtimer!!! you will post here but do noit have the sack to address the fact you have slandered TAM??????
you are the biggest hypocrite lying pos outside of your bbuddy obama!!!!


You owe tam an apoligy to saqy the least,,,Macon need to come down on you hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

TSR

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canadian angus said:
Just think about it, the longer it is delayed, China is closer to getting the oil.

CA

Are we sure China won't get the oil anyway,after all won't it be sold to the highest bidder on the world market????
 

hypocritexposer

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TSR said:
canadian angus said:
Just think about it, the longer it is delayed, China is closer to getting the oil.

CA

Are we sure China won't get the oil anyway,after all won't it be sold to the highest bidder on the world market????


who says it won't replace other oil that wouldn't be?

:roll:


Do you libs have a functioning brain?
 

TSR

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hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
canadian angus said:
Just think about it, the longer it is delayed, China is closer to getting the oil.

CA

Are we sure China won't get the oil anyway,after all won't it be sold to the highest bidder on the world market????


who says it won't replace other oil that wouldn't be?

:roll:


Do you libs have a functioning brain?


So all oil is not priced at world market prices, is that what you are saying???
 

hypocritexposer

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TSR said:
hypocritexposer said:
TSR said:
Are we sure China won't get the oil anyway,after all won't it be sold to the highest bidder on the world market????


who says it won't replace other oil that wouldn't be?

:roll:


Do you libs have a functioning brain?


So all oil is not priced at world market prices, is that what you are saying???


:lol:

one barrel lowers or raises the price of the next.


Do you libs have a functioning brain?
 

Steve

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TSR said:
canadian angus said:
Just think about it, the longer it is delayed, China is closer to getting the oil.

CA

Are we sure China won't get the oil anyway,after all won't it be sold to the highest bidder on the world market????

yes after we process it and take a cut... :lol:
 
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Canadian firm optimistic about oil pipeline

Thursday, November 8th 2012
OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — The Canadian company that wants to build another oil pipeline to carry crude oil to Gulf Coast refineries remains optimistic about the project after President Barack Obama won re-election.


TransCanada spokesman Shawn Howard says the company believes Obama will eventually approve the Keystone XL project once it reaches his desk next year because it will deliver oil from a friendly country.

But Howard says TransCanada is focused on finalizing the pipeline's new route through South Dakota and Nebraska. State regulators will hold a public hearing on it December 4th.

Pipeline opponent Jane Kleeb of Bold Nebraska says her group continues to oppose the project and plans to try to persuade Obama and Nebraska officials to reject it.


The proposed Keystone XL project would also accept crude from Montana and North Dakota's Bakken oil shale formation.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
I hope we ship our oil through the Gateway to China.

Drill your own oil.

Might happen if the Nebraska NIMBY's keep getting their way...
 

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