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US beef exports still strong

andybob

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US Beef Exports Still Going Strong
US - Despite predictions that international trade numbers will shrink in 2009 for the first time in 25 years, U.S. pork exports continued to post strong growth in the 2008 January to October period, according to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA).

Total pork exports through October 2008 were $3.6 billion compared to $2.1 billion in 2007, up nearly 68 percent. U.S. exports to China/Hong Kong are up 209 percent in this same time period to $618 million compared to $200 million in 2007, though they have slowed down considerably compared to the pre-Olympic flurry of purchasing activity.

Total pork exports to Russia, another big growth market earlier in the year, are up 166 percent in the period January to October 2008, totaling $435 million compared to $134 million in 2007. This growth will slow down in the remainder of the year given the Russia delistment of many U.S. pork plants. Japan remains the top market for U.S. pork, taking $1.29 billion compared to $931 million in 2007, a growth factor of 39 percent. Shipments to Mexico are up by just over 52 percent to $550 million in 2008.

Beef exports through October 2008 totaled $2.6 billion, an increase of 46 percent over $1.78 billion of 2007. Canada and Mexico account for 52 percent of exports, with Mexico at $835 million in 2008 compared to $697 million in 2007. In 2003, pre-BSE, Mexico imported $674 million.

Exports to Canada are also up, $527 million compared to $404 million in 2007. Exports for all of 2003 to Canada totaled $257 million. Exports to Korea and Japan are up by 109 and 61 percent respectively. For Japan, exports totaled $332 million for the period Jan. to Oct. 2008. Exports for all of 2003 totaled $1.34 billion. Similarly for Korea, exports totaled $244 million through October 2008 but are still down significantly from the 2003 total of $787 million. Russia has been a fast growing market for U.S. beef, which January to October imports totaling $87 million compared to $96,000 for 2007. Totals for 2008 exceed the 2003 value of $52 million.

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Home News Latest News ; Cattle imports from Canada, Mexico decline after label law Cattle imports from Canada, Mexico decline after label law

Posted by Truth About Trade & Technology
Thursday, 08 January 2009
Iowa Farmer Today
January 8, 2009 By the CME Daily Livestock Report

Jan 8, 2009

Via: Iowa Farmer Today-Farm Commodity Newsletter

As US and officials from Canada and Mexico spend the next month and a half discussing how to overcome the disagreements regarding the MCOOL (Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling) legislation, we thought it would be worthwhile to see how US cattle imports from Canada have fared since the legislation came into effect.

So far the legislation has been quite effective, if you measure effectiveness by the degree to which it has been able to stifle cattle trade in North America. One thing to keep in mind when looking at the data is not just the date when MCOOL went into effect (September 30) but also the provision in the last farm bill that all cattle imported in the US before July 15 would be considered of US origin while those imported after that date would be considered of foreign origin, thus impacting the terms with which they were sold to packing plants. This ‘grandfather clause’ naturally had the most impact on feeder cattle imports, since by the time those animals came out of feedlots they would be considered of non-US origin and be treated as such by packing plants.

According to the USDA data published through the end of 2008, cattle imports from Canada and Mexico were sharply lower in the second half of the year. For the period July 14 - Dec. 27, total US imports of Canadian feeder cattle were 187,866 head, 113,468 head or 38% lower than the same period the previous year. Imports of slaughter Canadian steers and heifers during the same period were 262,929 million head, 138,877 head or 35% lower than a year ago.

As for Canadian cow imports, it is hard to make any good year to year comparisons because imports only started in November of 2007. As for Mexico, most of the imports are feeder cattle going to southern US feedlots. For the period July 14 - Dec. 20, imports of Mexican feeder cattle were 323,105 head, 203,968 head or 39% lower than year ago levels.

Ironically, the reductions in imports from both countries came at a time when a significant devaluation in the value of the Peso and Canadian dollar normally would have been conducive of increased imports from these two countries. Under normal circumstances, one would expect cattle imports to actually increase rather than be cut by almost 40%.

Live hog trade has been impacted just as severely as we have discussed in this report in previous issues and one can understand the action Canada and Mexico took by referring the matter to the World Trade Organization. And at a time when demand for cattle is down, it will be hard to quickly reverse current trends.

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Tex

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PORKER said:
Home News Latest News ; Cattle imports from Canada, Mexico decline after label law Cattle imports from Canada, Mexico decline after label law

Posted by Truth About Trade & Technology
Thursday, 08 January 2009
Iowa Farmer Today
January 8, 2009 By the CME Daily Livestock Report

Jan 8, 2009

Via: Iowa Farmer Today-Farm Commodity Newsletter

As US and officials from Canada and Mexico spend the next month and a half discussing how to overcome the disagreements regarding the MCOOL (Mandatory Country of Origin Labeling) legislation, we thought it would be worthwhile to see how US cattle imports from Canada have fared since the legislation came into effect.

So far the legislation has been quite effective, if you measure effectiveness by the degree to which it has been able to stifle cattle trade in North America. One thing to keep in mind when looking at the data is not just the date when MCOOL went into effect (September 30) but also the provision in the last farm bill that all cattle imported in the US before July 15 would be considered of US origin while those imported after that date would be considered of foreign origin, thus impacting the terms with which they were sold to packing plants. This ‘grandfather clause’ naturally had the most impact on feeder cattle imports, since by the time those animals came out of feedlots they would be considered of non-US origin and be treated as such by packing plants.

According to the USDA data published through the end of 2008, cattle imports from Canada and Mexico were sharply lower in the second half of the year. For the period July 14 - Dec. 27, total US imports of Canadian feeder cattle were 187,866 head, 113,468 head or 38% lower than the same period the previous year. Imports of slaughter Canadian steers and heifers during the same period were 262,929 million head, 138,877 head or 35% lower than a year ago.

As for Canadian cow imports, it is hard to make any good year to year comparisons because imports only started in November of 2007. As for Mexico, most of the imports are feeder cattle going to southern US feedlots. For the period July 14 - Dec. 20, imports of Mexican feeder cattle were 323,105 head, 203,968 head or 39% lower than year ago levels.

Ironically, the reductions in imports from both countries came at a time when a significant devaluation in the value of the Peso and Canadian dollar normally would have been conducive of increased imports from these two countries. Under normal circumstances, one would expect cattle imports to actually increase rather than be cut by almost 40%.

Live hog trade has been impacted just as severely as we have discussed in this report in previous issues and one can understand the action Canada and Mexico took by referring the matter to the World Trade Organization. And at a time when demand for cattle is down, it will be hard to quickly reverse current trends.

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When a Tyson is so big that they can hold production from Canada enough to affect cattlemen's prices in Canada while importing beef from the U.S. to help in their concentration game in the other meats in the U.S., Canadians need to start taking note. (I don't know that they are holding Canadian production this much or are able to by the data so far, but it seems like it by this report). They are not in a free market, they are in a manipulated one. These globalists are not good for producers except maybe in the very short run when they want them to think it.
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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And the only way that US and Canadian producers could possibly fight against it is to stick together, instead of be tore apart by short term thinkers like the NFU and R-Quack.

They just don't seem to understand how effectively Canadian and US producers could be working together. Calve the cows down south in January, wean at 6 months and bring them up here for the lush summer grasses, then either ship them back down south for winter grassing and a grassfed product, ship them to the corn belt for corn finishing or keep them up here close to the barley belt for grain finishing. Open up packing plant/slaughter facilities in the west and east and sell into the population centres with a product that would suit anyones tastes.

Rod
 
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DiamondSCattleCo said:
They just don't seem to understand how effectively Canadian and US producers could be working together. Calve the cows down south in January, wean at 6 months and bring them up here for the lush summer grasses, then either ship them back down south for winter grassing and a grassfed product, ship them to the corn belt for corn finishing or keep them up here close to the barley belt for grain finishing. Open up packing plant/slaughter facilities in the west and east and sell into the population centres with a product that would suit anyones tastes.

Rod

Problem there is- that with the border restrictions Canada has had in place for years- and the differing money values- out of the past 15 years, few cattle have gone north except for possibly about 2 years....All has been southbound...
And when some did try to get some pasture north of the border (even pasture neighboring their US pasture)- they were told that by law they had to take on a Canadian partner that owned 51% of the operation... :roll:
It really hasn't seemed that Canada has been interested in free trade involving cattle.... :(
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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Oldtimer said:
Problem there is- that with the border restrictions Canada has had in place for years- and the differing money values- out of the past 15 years, few cattle have gone north except for possibly about 2 years....All has been southbound...
And when some did try to get some pasture north of the border (even pasture neighboring their US pasture)- they were told that by law they had to take on a Canadian partner that owned 51% of the operation... :roll:
It really hasn't seemed that Canada has been interested in free trade involving cattle.... :(

Thats pure BS spewed by someone who simply doesn't know or simply wants to lie. Ontario has had US cattle coming in for DECADES, not just the last two years. And I know ranchers living in North Dakota and Montana, who, pre-BSE, transferred livestock back and forth between Canada and the US, depending on what state of finish they were at.

As for land ownership laws, those are completely INDEPENDENT of cattle trade. Not to mention that you're lying through your teeth OT. I have German national neighbors who own the quarter of land 2 miles west of me. They spend a few months a year in Canuckville over the summer and have done so for 10 or 12 years. They were working on their Canadian citizenship, so they purchased the land BEFORE they became citizens.

Face it OT, you're the protectionist in the bunch. And you flat out lie about things that you know nothing about. I'm sick of it.

Rod
 

Sandhusker

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DiamondSCattleCo said:
And the only way that US and Canadian producers could possibly fight against it is to stick together, instead of be tore apart by short term thinkers like the NFU and R-Quack.

They just don't seem to understand how effectively Canadian and US producers could be working together. Calve the cows down south in January, wean at 6 months and bring them up here for the lush summer grasses, then either ship them back down south for winter grassing and a grassfed product, ship them to the corn belt for corn finishing or keep them up here close to the barley belt for grain finishing. Open up packing plant/slaughter facilities in the west and east and sell into the population centres with a product that would suit anyones tastes.

Rod

It was the US consumers who ramrodded COOL through. The people with the checkbooks are talking...
 
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DiamondSCattleCo said:
Oldtimer said:
Problem there is- that with the border restrictions Canada has had in place for years- and the differing money values- out of the past 15 years, few cattle have gone north except for possibly about 2 years....All has been southbound...
And when some did try to get some pasture north of the border (even pasture neighboring their US pasture)- they were told that by law they had to take on a Canadian partner that owned 51% of the operation... :roll:
It really hasn't seemed that Canada has been interested in free trade involving cattle.... :(

Thats pure BS spewed by someone who simply doesn't know or simply wants to lie. Ontario has had US cattle coming in for DECADES, not just the last two years. And I know ranchers living in North Dakota and Montana, who, pre-BSE, transferred livestock back and forth between Canada and the US, depending on what state of finish they were at.

As for land ownership laws, those are completely INDEPENDENT of cattle trade. Not to mention that you're lying through your teeth OT. I have German national neighbors who own the quarter of land 2 miles west of me. They spend a few months a year in Canuckville over the summer and have done so for 10 or 12 years. They were working on their Canadian citizenship, so they purchased the land BEFORE they became citizens.

Face it OT, you're the protectionist in the bunch. And you flat out lie about things that you know nothing about. I'm sick of it.

Rod

We've went thru this before- and if you want to look back its been shown Saskatchewan has laws against American ownership....Big Muddy even explained why they were in place to keep out absentee owners....

And if US cattle had been allowed to be freely and fairly traded into Canada- I would bet R-CALF wouldn't even exist.... As it was- only about 2 years (out of 15) did I see any meaningful number of cattle go north...
Elsewise its been all Trans-ex trucks and bullhaulers heading south....

Canada refused to even weaken their restrictions on cattle going north until their teat was in the wringer with BSE- and they were willing to do anything to reopen the border- and then miraculously- POOF- they agreed with what the US scientists and cattle experts had been saying for 12 years- and the rules were changed.... :roll:
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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You're full of crap OT. From the USDA website:

U.S. beef exports to Canada (commercial carcass weight and value):
2002: 2.447 billion pounds, $2.629 billion
2003: 2.518 billion pounds, $3.186 billion
2004: 460 million pounds, $631 million
2005: 697 million pounds, $1.031 billion
2006: 1.144 billion pounds, $1.616 billion
2007: 1.431 billion pounds, $2.175 billion

You can go back further if you'd like. I'm not wasting anymore time on you.

The US has been exporting billions of pounds of beef to Canada for DECADES! OT, you pass off coffee house drivel as fact all too often and your integrity is pretty much NIL. Did you take kickbacks and bribes as a lawman?

If there are ownership laws, how did German nationals buy a quarter section 10 years ago? Perhaps pre-NAFTA there were some laws, but I haven't seen any restrictions.

And you know very well that Canada's restrictions were based on the fact that the US had ZERO control over blue tongue with no trans-state restrictions or traceback. We still shouldn't be allowing shipments until you guys agreed to restrict movement of cattle from blue-tongue states.

Rod
 

Kato

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Should we even be allowing imports now that the U.S. has decided to drop mandatory I.D.? :wink: :wink: :wink:

Other countries demand it, so why shouldn't we? Lack of traceability is a lower standard than our consumers are accustomed to. Maybe they'll be a driving force behind Canadian MCOOL, and demand rules, like we're told the American public is, and we can be like RCALF and won't even have to take the blame for cutting off access to Canadian markets for American beef... unless it's convenient and politically advantageous for us to do so.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Thats beef- not live cattle...I remember when NAFTA came up- a neighbor, who later was President of NCBA convinced me of how great it could be to send Montana cattle to Canadian feedlots with all the barley grown there-- send cattle north to graze- and work back and forth like you suggested...Then almost immediately Canada pulled the "all US cattle are Diseased" restrictions out of their hat as an artificial trade barrier- and stuck in all kinds of restrictions-- and no one from Canada came down to buy the cattle...And the Packers started using "captive supply" and the fact that Canada laws didn't match ours against us..

This is about the time then that NCBA came out with the M-COOL law...My neighbor stuck with NCBA even after they flipped on the M-COOL actually believeing that a "fair" trade could someday exist....But 15 years of BS later and I have given up hope of that happening....The Packers won't allow it to happen...
 

S.S.A.P.

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Oldtimer said:
Thats beef- not live cattle...I remember when NAFTA came up- a neighbor, who later was President of NCBA convinced me of how great it could be to send Montana cattle to Canadian feedlots with all the barley grown there-- send cattle north to graze- and work back and forth like you suggested...Then almost immediately Canada pulled the "all US cattle are Diseased" restrictions out of their hat as an artificial trade barrier- and stuck in all kinds of restrictions-- and no one from Canada came down to buy the cattle...And the Packers started using "captive supply" and the fact that Canada laws didn't match ours against us..

This is about the time then that NCBA came out with the M-COOL law...My neighbor stuck with NCBA even after they flipped on the M-COOL actually believeing that a "fair" trade could someday exist....But 15 years of BS later and I have given up hope of that happening....The Packers won't allow it to happen...

Hey folks - check back tomorrow. OT is going to post the official live cattle exports from the USA to Canada since 1994.
 
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S.S.A.P. said:
Oldtimer said:
Thats beef- not live cattle...I remember when NAFTA came up- a neighbor, who later was President of NCBA convinced me of how great it could be to send Montana cattle to Canadian feedlots with all the barley grown there-- send cattle north to graze- and work back and forth like you suggested...Then almost immediately Canada pulled the "all US cattle are Diseased" restrictions out of their hat as an artificial trade barrier- and stuck in all kinds of restrictions-- and no one from Canada came down to buy the cattle...And the Packers started using "captive supply" and the fact that Canada laws didn't match ours against us..

This is about the time then that NCBA came out with the M-COOL law...My neighbor stuck with NCBA even after they flipped on the M-COOL actually believeing that a "fair" trade could someday exist....But 15 years of BS later and I have given up hope of that happening....The Packers won't allow it to happen...

Hey folks - check back tomorrow. OT is going to post the official live cattle exports from the USA to Canada since 1994.

And ASAP is going to post how many cattle went to the USA from Canada over the years-eh... :???:
 
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Anonymous

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S.S.A.P. said:
I am surprised that you don't have the ability to post the export numbers.

Don't need to- they've all been posted before- andI know what was happening-- and anything I post isn't gonna convince some Canucks....

But it has been refreshing the last year or two to see that many Canadian ranchers are actually seeing how the Packers are screwing them- using generic beef to do it- and some are even calling for Canadian COOL too...Its either that or your kids will be eating generic Brazilian beef....
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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More of OT's BS.

USDA numbers gleaned from a simple google (source: Montana State University):

In 1988, U.S. live cattle exports to Canada exports were 128.5
thousand head.

In 1995, U.S. live cattle exports to Canada were 94.5 thousand head

At the same time, US live imports from Canada were approximately four times as large.

Now think about this OT: You guys imported 4 times as many cattle as we did from you guys, HOWEVER our herd size is 1/8th of yours. In other words, we are importing a greater percentage of our overall beef herd than you guys are.

Why is that you ask? Because your cattle go to Ontario, where the bulk of our population is. Ours head south to make up the shortfall in the US caused by our imports. This is GOOD for us as the cattle make it to markets closer to home and save the producers shipping costs.

Oops, bad to be wrong, ain't it OT? You really should learn how to research things before you flap your gums. I was always taught that honesty and integrity are two of the most important cornerstones to being a man. Right now, you're oh fer two.

Some more interesting factoids:

USDA data indicate that the U.S. increased its net live cattle imports from Canada by 16.1 percent, but also decreasing its net fed beef imports from Canada by 24.3 percent. The statistical results show that when accounting only for these trade changes, fed cattle price actually increased slightly by $0.43 cwt and feeder cattle price also increased by $0.89 cwt.

Rod
 

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