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Larrry

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hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Andy Borowitz

I think it's extremely open-minded of John McCain to suggest bombing the Syrians he wanted to arm a year ago.



Sums up our entire mid-east policy of the past 50 years...


Project 922 was the codename for Iraq's third and most successful attempt to produce chemical and biological weapons. Within three years (1978–1981), Project 922 had gone from concept to production for first generation Iraqi chemical weapons (mustard agent). By 1984 Iraq started producing its first nerve agents, Tabun and Sarin. In 1986, a five-year plan was drawn up that ultimately led to biological weapons production. By 1988 Iraq had produced VX. The program reached its zenith in the late 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war. From August 1983 to July 1988 Iran was subjected to extensive Iraqi chemical attacks. Between 1981 and 1991, Iraq produced over 3,857 tons of CW agents.[citation needed]

As part of Project 922, German firms such as Karl Kolb helped build Iraqi chemical weapons facilities such as laboratories, bunkers, an administrative building, and first production buildings in the early 1980s under the cover of a pesticide plant. Other German firms sent 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, sarin, tabun, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of Tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade. All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin.[citation needed] One of the contributions was a £14m chlorine plant known as "Falluja 2", built by Uhde Ltd, a UK subsidiary of a German company; the plant was given financial guarantees by the UK's Export Credits Guarantee Department despite official UK recognition of a "strong possibility" the plant would be used to make mustard gas.[4] The guarantees led to UK government payment of £300,000 to Uhde in 1990 after completion of the plant was interrupted by the first Gulf War.[4] In 1994 and 1996 three people were convicted in Germany of export offenses.[5]

France also provided glass-lined reactors, tanks, vessels, and columns used for the production of chemical weapons. Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French. 75,000 shells and rockets designed for chemical weapon use also came from Italy. About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil. The United States exported $500 million of dual use exports to Iraq that were approved by the Commerce Department. Among them were advanced computers, some of which were used in Iraq’s nuclear program. Austria also provided heat exchangers, tanks, condensers, and columns for the Iraqi chemical weapons infrastructure, 16% of the international sales. Singapore gave 4,515 tons of precursors for VX, sarin, tabun, and mustard gasses to Iraq. The Dutch gave 4,261 tons of precursors for sarin, tabun, mustard, and tear gasses to Iraq. Egypt gave 2,400 tons of tabun and sarin precursors to Iraq and 28,500 tons of weapons designed for carrying chemical munitions. India gave 2,343 tons of precursors to VX, tabun, Sarin, and mustard gasses. Luxembourg gave Iraq 650 tons of mustard gas precursors. Spain gave Iraq 57,500 munitions designed for carrying chemical weapons. In addition, they provided reactors, condensers, columns and tanks for Iraq’s chemical warfare program, 4.4% of the international sales. China provided 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_weapons_program
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Andy Borowitz

I think it's extremely open-minded of John McCain to suggest bombing the Syrians he wanted to arm a year ago.



Sums up our entire mid-east policy of the past 50 years...


The US was there to keep an eye on what was going on. Which side was Soviet Union on, OT? And how did the US counter?


Project 922 was the codename for Iraq's third and most successful attempt to produce chemical and biological weapons. Within three years (1978–1981), Project 922 had gone from concept to production for first generation Iraqi chemical weapons (mustard agent). By 1984 Iraq started producing its first nerve agents, Tabun and Sarin. In 1986, a five-year plan was drawn up that ultimately led to biological weapons production. By 1988 Iraq had produced VX. The program reached its zenith in the late 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war. From August 1983 to July 1988 Iran was subjected to extensive Iraqi chemical attacks. Between 1981 and 1991, Iraq produced over 3,857 tons of CW agents.[citation needed]

As part of Project 922, German firms such as Karl Kolb helped build Iraqi chemical weapons facilities such as laboratories, bunkers, an administrative building, and first production buildings in the early 1980s under the cover of a pesticide plant. Other German firms sent 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, sarin, tabun, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of Tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade. All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin.[citation needed] One of the contributions was a £14m chlorine plant known as "Falluja 2", built by Uhde Ltd, a UK subsidiary of a German company; the plant was given financial guarantees by the UK's Export Credits Guarantee Department despite official UK recognition of a "strong possibility" the plant would be used to make mustard gas.[4] The guarantees led to UK government payment of £300,000 to Uhde in 1990 after completion of the plant was interrupted by the first Gulf War.[4] In 1994 and 1996 three people were convicted in Germany of export offenses.[5]

France also provided glass-lined reactors, tanks, vessels, and columns used for the production of chemical weapons. Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French. 75,000 shells and rockets designed for chemical weapon use also came from Italy. About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil. The United States exported $500 million of dual use exports to Iraq that were approved by the Commerce Department. Among them were advanced computers, some of which were used in Iraq’s nuclear program. Austria also provided heat exchangers, tanks, condensers, and columns for the Iraqi chemical weapons infrastructure, 16% of the international sales. Singapore gave 4,515 tons of precursors for VX, sarin, tabun, and mustard gasses to Iraq. The Dutch gave 4,261 tons of precursors for sarin, tabun, mustard, and tear gasses to Iraq. Egypt gave 2,400 tons of tabun and sarin precursors to Iraq and 28,500 tons of weapons designed for carrying chemical munitions. India gave 2,343 tons of precursors to VX, tabun, Sarin, and mustard gasses. Luxembourg gave Iraq 650 tons of mustard gas precursors. Spain gave Iraq 57,500 munitions designed for carrying chemical weapons. In addition, they provided reactors, condensers, columns and tanks for Iraq’s chemical warfare program, 4.4% of the international sales. China provided 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_weapons_program
 

hypocritexposer

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Sometimes it is best to keep Dictators/enemies close, so you can intimidate/motivate them in the direction that is best for the International Community.



Unlike Barry, who's ideology includes "the enemy of my enemy", which he uses against Christians. The Soviet Union used that ideology too, back in the 80s.

Thank Goodness for Reagan and Thatcher, who countered the way they did.
 

hypocritexposer

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OT, do you have any idea whether Rumsfeld was in Iraq in an attempt to persuade Saddam NOT to continue using chemical weapons?

Or, are you a conspiracy theorist, and just going by what you have read on Alex Jones?

Hard evidence of the Iraqi chemical attacks came to light in 1984. But that did little to deter Hussein from using the lethal agents, including in strikes against his own people. For as much as the CIA knew about Hussein's use of chemical weapons, officials resisted providing Iraq with intelligence throughout much of the war. The Defense Department had proposed an intelligence-sharing program with the Iraqis in 1986. But according to Francona, it was nixed because the CIA and the State Department viewed Saddam Hussein as "anathema" and his officials as "thugs."

The situation changed in 1987. CIA reconnaissance satellites picked up clear indications that the Iranians were concentrating large numbers of troops and equipment east of the city of Basrah, according to Francona, who was then serving with the Defense Intelligence Agency. What concerned DIA analysts the most was that the satellite imagery showed that the Iranians had discovered a gaping hole in the Iraqi lines southeast of Basrah. The seam had opened up at the junction between the Iraqi III Corps, deployed east of the city, and the Iraqi VII Corps, which was deployed to the southeast of the city in and around the hotly contested Fao Peninsula.

The satellites detected Iranian engineering and bridging units being secretly moved to deployment areas opposite the gap in the Iraqi lines, indicating that this was going to be where the main force of the annual Iranian spring offensive was going to fall, Francona said.

In late 1987, the DIA analysts in Francona's shop in Washington wrote a Top Secret Codeword report partially entitled "At The Gates of Basrah," warning that the Iranian 1988 spring offensive was going to be bigger than all previous spring offensives, and this offensive stood a very good chance of breaking through the Iraqi lines and capturing Basrah. The report warned that if Basrah fell, the Iraqi military would collapse and Iran would win the war.

President Reagan read the report and, according to Francona, wrote a note in the margin addressed to Secretary of Defense Frank C. Carlucci: "An Iranian victory is unacceptable."

Subsequently, a decision was made at the top level of the U.S. government (almost certainly requiring the approval of the National Security Council and the CIA). The DIA was authorized to give the Iraqi intelligence services as much detailed information as was available about the deployments and movements of all Iranian combat units. That included satellite imagery and perhaps some sanitized electronic intelligence. There was a particular focus on the area east of the city of Basrah where the DIA was convinced the next big Iranian offensive would come. The agency also provided data on the locations of key Iranian logistics facilities, and the strength and capabilities of the Iranian air force and air defense system. Francona described much of the information as "targeting packages" suitable for use by the Iraqi air force to destroy these targets.

The sarin attacks then followed.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran
 

hypocritexposer

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As I understand it...Iran had already threatened to carry out terrorist attacks on the US, before the US was providing intelligence to the Iraqis.

The US was aware that Iran had the capability to carry out chemical weapon attacks.

The US chose to provide intelligence to the Iraqis, so as to prevent Iran winning the war and making good on their promise to attack US interests.

What would you have done, OT?

Keeping in mind that the Soviet Union was backing the Iraqis and had used chemical weapons in Afghanistan
 
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April 29, 2013
Republicans: Obama Must Take Action in Syria So We Can Criticize Action He Took in Syria

By Andy Borowitz

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—A growing chorus of Republican lawmakers are demanding that President Obama take some action in Syria so that they can attack whatever action he took in Syria.

Appearing on CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) laid out the situation in stark terms: “The time for President Obama to do something in Syria that we can eviscerate him for is long overdue.”

Arguing that there are a variety of options available to Mr. Obama for dealing with Syria, Sen. Graham said, “The President needs to choose one of those options so that we can immediately identify it as a catastrophic choice and demand that he be impeached.”

Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) used an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” to express impatience with Mr. Obama’s “steadfast refusal to give us something new to rake him over the coals for.”

“The American people have grown weary of my nonstop criticism of the President’s handling of Libya,” he said. “They are ready to hear me incessantly berate him for his handling of a different country.”

At the end of his television appearance, Sen. McCain seemed to draw a line in the sand, making a direct challenge to Mr. Obama: “Mr. President, we are sick and tired of attacking you for your inaction. The time has come for us to attack you for your action.”
 

hypocritexposer

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Obama faces bipartisan criticism over his foreign policy

By Andrea Shalal

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama faced criticism over his foreign policy from both Democratic and Republican lawmakers on Sunday as he wrestled with crises in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Ukraine.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-faces-bipartisan-criticism-over-foreign-policy-194410272.html
 

Steve

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“Mr. President, we are sick and tired of attacking you for your inaction.

if it wasn't so sad,.. it would be funny...

but then way back when ,.. conservatives warned everyone that a state senator who voted present, wasn't a guy that would take a stand...

but saying "I told you so" seems so inadequate now..


how could anyone vote for a guy with a spine of quivering jello?

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Too bad old Teddy's ghost didn't whisper these words of wisdom into Bush's ear before GW went out invading sovereign nations and trying to "democranize" (sp) the Iraqi's-- who neither appear to understand what freedom is or want it... Would have saved us taxpayers $Trillions and our mothers would not have had to unnecessarily lose the nearly 5,000 men and women killed and 30,000+ wounded (many of which will never be the same)...

But primarily it would have maintained the political power structure that kept many of these radicals from developing in the area...
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:



Too bad old Teddy's ghost didn't whisper these words of wisdom into Bush's ear before GW went out invading sovereign nations and trying to "democranize" (sp) the Iraqi's-- who neither appear to understand what freedom is or want it... Would have saved us taxpayers $Trillions and our mothers would not have had to unnecessarily lose the nearly 5,000 men and women killed and 30,000+ wounded (many of which will never be the same)...

But primarily it would have maintained the political power structure that kept many of these radicals from developing in the area...

so then you are overjoyed by Obama's meddling that led to the Arab spring.. after all he used the idiots that lived there to topple the governments..
 
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Steve said:
Oldtimer said:



Too bad old Teddy's ghost didn't whisper these words of wisdom into Bush's ear before GW went out invading sovereign nations and trying to "democranize" (sp) the Iraqi's-- who neither appear to understand what freedom is or want it... Would have saved us taxpayers $Trillions and our mothers would not have had to unnecessarily lose the nearly 5,000 men and women killed and 30,000+ wounded (many of which will never be the same)...

But primarily it would have maintained the political power structure that kept many of these radicals from developing in the area...

so then you are overjoyed by Obama's meddling that led to the Arab spring.. after all he used the idiots that lived there to topple the governments..

Nope-- we should be keeping our nose out of all that middle east mess... Every time we do something it just gives a few million more a reason to hate us....
I think Obama should also leave the biggest part of handling Russia and the Ukraine to the Europeans...
We have enough problems at home then to be running around the world telling them how they should live- and trying to force our politics on them...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Nope-- we should be keeping our nose out of all that middle east mess... Every time we do something it just gives a few million more a reason to hate us....
I think Obama should also leave the biggest part of handling Russia and the Ukraine to the Europeans...
We have enough problems at home then to be running around the world telling them how they should live- and trying to force our politics on them...

That's what Clinton did, somewhat, with the terrorists. How'd that work out on 911?

You don't seem to understand that other innocents appreciate having the thugs/killers controlled, so they do not gain in influence and power.

All Barry has done is reverse any headway that was gained under Bush.

Bush was successful in luring most terrorists into Iraq. obama has been successful in providing them a haven in many countries and a solid base in Iraq/Syria.

ISIS has gained in influence and power under obama and were controlled under Bush.

Those are the 2 choices...which is better for the US and the rest of the World?

The war on terror is more, or less, WWIII. And you want the US to refrain from participating? Not going to happen. So, are you going to be aligned with the "Allies", or the "Axis of Evil"

It would appear that you personally side with the "Evil"
 

loomixguy

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There are SIX statements there. Your pig eyes must not be focusing well. At the time the first five statements were made, their authors had every reason to believe that they were true.

The last statement...the author may believe to be true, but there isn't enough room or time here to prove otherwise...besides, there is a thread dedicated to Honest Dick's untruths.... :wink:
 

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