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US to delay OTM rule-- Need Answers on 50 Month

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They are finally asking the same question I have been asking- How many violations of the feed ban do we have and how many mills are violators? How long has this practice been taking place? --how many of these infected, symptom free cattle have entered Canada's food chain?-- and how many of the UTM cattle Canada sent south to the US for feeding and slaughter, were already infected and manifesting the disease, altho not showing any symptoms at the time of slaughter?......

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CBW Exclusive: U.S. to delay O.T.M. cattle from Canada



MEATPOULTRY.com

September 5, 2006

by MEAT&POULTRY Staff



by Steve Kay (Cattle Buyers Weekly)



The U.S. Department of Agriculture likely will delay a review of its proposed rule to allow older Canadian cattle into the U.S. until Canada concludes a feed enforcement investigation in connection with Canada’s seventh bovine spongiform encephalopathy case. Investigation of the case plausibly explains how a dairy cow born nearly five years after Canada’s 1997 feed ban contracted the disease. It probably contracted it through a single batch of contaminated cattle feed delivered to the Alberta farm the cow was on.



More troubling is that the feed mill that sent the batch failed to document a flush of equipment (it mixes uses ruminant-derived material into non-ruminant feed). The mill may have failed to flush equipment between processing runs, said the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. The issue now is whether this was a one-time accidental occurrence or a more systematic failure by the mill or other mills throughout Canada, observers said. The fact is, the feed mill was in non-compliance with Canada’s feed ban, and this appeared to cause a cow to contract B.S.E. The U.S.D.A. will want additional assurances from Canada that such non-compliance will not reoccur before it begins to review its rule, observers said.



Another issue is that the cow died of causes not related to B.S.E. (it died of mastitis) and showed no clinical signs of having the disease. The cow was tested for B.S.E. only because she was a downer animal. This suggests the cow might not have been tested for B.S.E. had she recovered from mastitis and then sent to slaughter as a cull cow. The 50-month-old cow would likely have lived for an additional 4 to 6 months before the onset of B.S.E.-related clinical signs, the C.F.I.A. said.



The case’s detection at an early stage demonstrates the highly sensitive and robust nature of Canada’s B.S.E. surveillance program, the C.F.I.A. said. Observers, though, said the case raises concerns that other animals with B.S.E. but no signs of it might have gone undetected if they went to slaughter in apparent good health. However, the removal of specified risk materials would safeguard against any infected material entering the feed and food supply, officials said.





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Manitoba_Rancher

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OT- With all your what ifs and maybes its a wonder you dont go crazy. :roll: This will just make bred cows cheap again this fall and winter. Time to expand the market is priced right.
 

cowsense

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The Canadian system at least stands a decent chance of tracking and identifying individual animals. As for the feed mills the majority are relatively new state of the art plants that take their responsibilities very seriously and are under rigid CFIA inspection protocols. Contrast that to the US cows that were of unknown age and origin and of unknown prior management! Couple that with the practice of killing and processing downer cattle and you still rail about Canada as having a problem! You R-calfers are unfortunately going to have to eat your words wholesale when the true extent of your livestock health problems are exposed!!!!! Your pathetic, protectionist attempts at sensationalism to stop trade will hurt the entire beef industry when any sort of problem does show up in your backyard!!
 

Sandhusker

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cowsense said:
The Canadian system at least stands a decent chance of tracking and identifying individual animals. As for the feed mills the majority are relatively new state of the art plants that take their responsibilities very seriously and are under rigid CFIA inspection protocols. Contrast that to the US cows that were of unknown age and origin and of unknown prior management! Couple that with the practice of killing and processing downer cattle and you still rail about Canada as having a problem! You R-calfers are unfortunately going to have to eat your words wholesale when the true extent of your livestock health problems are exposed!!!!! Your pathetic, protectionist attempts at sensationalism to stop trade will hurt the entire beef industry when any sort of problem does show up in your backyard!!

That article didn't come from R-CALF.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer maybe you can explain to us how the US prevents BSE infected cattle that aren't showing symptoms from entering the food chain.

I think you've finally realized why we see importing from Canada to be a risk not worth taking.
 

Tam

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What about those that are in your native herd, Sandhusker??? If the US is missing the imported cattle how many native cattle are they missing? :?
 

Silver

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Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer maybe you can explain to us how the US prevents BSE infected cattle that aren't showing symptoms from entering the food chain.

I think you've finally realized why we see importing from Canada to be a risk not worth taking.

That doesn't even make sense. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
What about those that are in your native herd, Sandhusker??? If the US is missing the imported cattle how many native cattle are they missing? :?

I don't know. Who does? We can only deal with what we know, and the one thing that I do know, is that 4 year old and any like her could of been shipped down here if the border was open.
 

Sandhusker

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Silver said:
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer maybe you can explain to us how the US prevents BSE infected cattle that aren't showing symptoms from entering the food chain.

I think you've finally realized why we see importing from Canada to be a risk not worth taking.

That doesn't even make sense. :roll:

BMR was trying to ask a loaded question. We can't prevent BSE positives who are not showing symptoms because the USDA doesn't test enough. My comment alludes to the fact that if our border was fully open to you, we would very likely be importing the exact type of cattle referenced.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
What about those that are in your native herd, Sandhusker??? If the US is missing the imported cattle how many native cattle are they missing? :?

I don't know. Who does? We can only deal with what we know, and the one thing that I do know, is that 4 year old and any like her could of been shipped down here if the border was open.


You know they COULD have been shipped. :wink:
What I know is if the US slaughter industry is missing imported cattle they COULD be missing US cattle also. That said, according to the OIE experts, if the US slaughter plants were doing their jobs on all cattle, imported and domestic, the consumer would have nothing to worry about.
 

Silver

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Sandhusker said:
Silver said:
Sandhusker said:
I think you've finally realized why we see importing from Canada to be a risk not worth taking.

That doesn't even make sense. :roll:

BMR was trying to ask a loaded question. We can't prevent BSE positives who are not showing symptoms because the USDA doesn't test enough. My comment alludes to the fact that if our border was fully open to you, we would very likely be importing the exact type of cattle referenced.

So therefore you don't want to import beef from a country with higher testing standards than your own, you'd rather eat your own mad cows? :???:
 

Sandhusker

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Silver said:
Sandhusker said:
Silver said:
That doesn't even make sense. :roll:

BMR was trying to ask a loaded question. We can't prevent BSE positives who are not showing symptoms because the USDA doesn't test enough. My comment alludes to the fact that if our border was fully open to you, we would very likely be importing the exact type of cattle referenced.

So therefore you don't want to import beef from a country with higher testing standards than your own, you'd rather eat your own mad cows? :???:

If the cows you send us are not tested, it does't matter what your standards are. I think it is foolish to import problems.
 

Silver

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Sandhusker said:
Silver said:
Sandhusker said:
BMR was trying to ask a loaded question. We can't prevent BSE positives who are not showing symptoms because the USDA doesn't test enough. My comment alludes to the fact that if our border was fully open to you, we would very likely be importing the exact type of cattle referenced.

So therefore you don't want to import beef from a country with higher testing standards than your own, you'd rather eat your own mad cows? :???:

If the cows you send us are not tested, it does't matter what your standards are. I think it is foolish to import problems.

That is... if you are foolish enough to believe you are at greater risk from Canadian beef.
 

Bill

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Why do we bother to remove any SRMs?

BINGO!

The experts have told us it is for public safety!

But my question is, how can the American authorities assure their public that the removal of SRM's assures public safety while continuing to refuse entry of beef from carcasses that have had their SRM's removed in Canada? How can they refuse the entry of cows and bulls when they too will have their SRM's removed at slaughter?

This makes R-Klans "safety of the public" arguement a moot point.

Unless of course not all OTM's are having their SRMs removed in the US!
 

don

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the big problem i see coming is that tests will become so sensitive they will find prions in just about anything even before they have definitive cause and effect factors determined for bse. then canada will be in the position of being a higher risk country than the us simply because we will be testing and the americans are scaling back their testing program and asking for a lower risk rating from the oie. this will then be another nontariff trade barrier thrown up against us. it's time canada tested all otm's and used the wto to gain entry to the us for that product or start restricting more product from the us on the basis of an ineffective testing program and doubtful risk assessment.
 

PORKER

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YUP, it's time Canada tested all otm's and utm's an used the wto to gain entry to the US. for that product or start restricting more product from the US. on the basis of an ineffective testing program and doubtful risk assessment.
 

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