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US troops donate more to Obama than McCain
3 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — US troops, stationed both abroad and in the US, have donated more money to Democrat Barack Obama than to decorated war hero Republican John McCain, a study published Thursday showed.

The study by the Center for Responsive Politics, a non-partisan research group, showed that by the end of June, Obama had received six times more from soldiers stationed abroad than Vietnam war veteran McCain, who comes from a prestigious military family.

Even McCain's former rival for the Republican nomination, Ron Paul, who opposed the Iraq war, had managed to garner more funds.

Obama had received some 60,642 dollars in donations from soldiers stationed abroad, while McCain had just 10,665 dollars, the study said.

Paul, who failed early in the Republican primaries to attract as much support as McCain, was given some 45,512 dollars for his campaign.

Across all troops, Obama's campaign also attracted more funding than his rivals, bringing in some 335,000 dollars compared to 280,000 for McCain. Only in the Marine Corps is McCain leading Obama, by some 4,000 dollars.

"That's shocking," Aaron Belkin, a professor of political science at the University of California who studies the military, told the center.

"The academic debate is between some who say that junior enlisted ranks lean slightly Republican and some who say it's about equal, but no one would point to six-to-one" in Democrats' favor.

"That represents a tremendous shift from 2000, when the military vote almost certainly was decisive in Florida and elsewhere, and leaned heavily towards the Republicans."

But Jason Dempsey, a former professor at the West Point military academy, said that the number of individual donations, just 323, was too small to draw any conclusions.

"If, on a bad day, a guy gets that letter that says (his tour has been extended) from 12 to 15 months, that could spur a quick donation and expression of anger," he said. "Donating helps members of the military express their political views privately."

Obama has said that if elected to the White House he would withdraw most troops from Iraq within 16 months. McCain, who supports the war, says the US needs to remain on the ground until their work is done and has resisted setting any timetable for a pullout.

The center also stressed that it had only totaled up donations of 200 dollars or more, which meant the study was probably more reflective of thinking among ranking officers.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h5FiNnqZ7H-zKWUBX6GMFvu524Qg
 

Aztumbleweed

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O.K. oldtimer I have to ask a question. I am going to make an assumption that You pay your taxes, your not on the gov. dole, and you believe people should work for what they want. Why would someone like you support a virtual socialist. Who wants to raise youe taxes to support people who are not going to work and most think that we the government owes them a living because they are to lazy to work. But don't mind blaming people or corporations that have worked hard for what they have.If Obama (God forbid) should get elected you will see a quicker demise of the america we both served. It is truly disgusting that somebody who hates America should be nominated by one of my countrys partys. My grandfather must be rolling in his grave seeing what has happened to his beloved democratic party.
 

hopalong

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Aztumbleweed said:
O.K. oldtimer I have to ask a question. I am going to make an assumption that You pay your taxes, your not on the gov. dole, and you believe people should work for what they want. Why would someone like you support a virtual socialist. Who wants to raise youe taxes to support people who are not going to work and most think that we the government owes them a living because they are to lazy to work. But don't mind blaming people or corporations that have worked hard for what they have.If Obama (God forbid) should get elected you will see a quicker demise of the america we both served. It is truly disgusting that somebody who hates America should be nominated by one of my countrys partys. My grandfather must be rolling in his grave seeing what has happened to his beloved democratic party.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Dont wait for any more that a bunch of cut and paste from Oldtimer, or at best a bunch of reteroic that he is so fond of yapping!!!!!!
 

VanC

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Aztumbleweed said:
My grandfather must be rolling in his grave seeing what has happened to his beloved democratic party.

My Dad and my grandfather are rolling right along with him.
 
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Aztumbleweed said:
O.K. oldtimer I have to ask a question. I am going to make an assumption that You pay your taxes, your not on the gov. dole, and you believe people should work for what they want. Why would someone like you support a virtual socialist. Who wants to raise youe taxes to support people who are not going to work and most think that we the government owes them a living because they are to lazy to work. But don't mind blaming people or corporations that have worked hard for what they have.If Obama (God forbid) should get elected you will see a quicker demise of the america we both served. It is truly disgusting that somebody who hates America should be nominated by one of my countrys partys. My grandfather must be rolling in his grave seeing what has happened to his beloved democratic party.

Simple-- McSame wants to follow in Bush's footsteps (who built the biggest Federal bureacucracy and debt in history- along with blowing our money like it grows on trees to ever Mullah or Sheik that he could find) - while refusing to raise taxes thus putting the debt on our kids and grandkids--except McSame is twice as liberal as Bush and will spend twice the amount- while still having no way to pay for it- and with his history of being in the pocket of every lobbyist who waves the most bucks, allowing the corporate world to further run the country toward a Corporate Fascist nation....

At least Obama says while he is going to spend to build US infrastructure and benefits for US citizens-not spend it for appeasement of the Mullahs so the surge will work and he also says he is going to tax and pay for it....
I don't know about you- but I was brought up to pay for what I spend- and not leave the debt for generations unborn to pay...I don't want my kids and grandkids to have to pay the rest of their lives for the mistake we made by picking two corporate puppet empire building neocons into office...I'm sick of the Lobbyists running the White House- and McCain has a long history of being the most tied to corrupt lobbyists of any person in D.C.....

Go to one of the neutral sites and compare the promises by each candidate- and then how they want to pay for them- and McSame just runs us into the hole-- and even more if the old fogie gets his finger on the nuke button and starts bomb, bomb, bombing everywhere...

Since this year I'm voting for who will help ME best- and since I don't make over $600,000 a year- it looks like Obama's policy will give me the biggest tax cut- while still bringing the most amount of money into the country to start rebuilding our crumpling infrastructure and our horrendous debt the Bush boys ran up.....

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Obama and McCain Tax Proposals
According to a new analysis by the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for most American families. Obama's plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy. For the approximately 147,000 families that make up the top 0.1 percent of the income scale, the difference between the two plans is stark. While McCain offers a $269,364 tax cut, Obama would raise their taxes, on average, by $701,885 - a difference of nearly $1 million.
 

hypocritexposer

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I'm all for OT's ideas, increase tax on those rich folks, they're going to make the same either way, tax them more, they just cut overhead. Overhead being those that work for them, etc. Slowing down the economy, and hurting those even more that the corporations have just laid off.

Looking at it another way. What % of Americans, or Canadians make over $700,000? Cutting whatever % of tax for them nets you the breakeven income, on those lower income earners, who increase their disposable income?
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
I don't know about you- but I was brought up to pay for what I spend...
It sounds more like you were brought up to let somebody else pay for what you spend:

Oldtimer said:
Since this year I'm voting for who will help ME best- and since I don't make over $600,000 a year- it looks like Obama's policy will give me the biggest tax cut- while still bringing the most amount of money into the country to start rebuilding our crumpling infrastructure and our horrendous debt the Bush boys ran up.....

But that's alright - as long as somebody has got more than you do, it's okay to let them pay your way, huh? :???:

The way I was brought up, we consider that stealing.

But just keep that attitude - "this year I'm voting for who will help ME best" - you fit in real good with the deadbeats in the housing projects that are on your team. :lol:
 

RobertMac

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OT said:
the biggest Federal bureacucracy and debt in history
I would have thought you smart enough to know this can't be judged by current dollars...the value of 2008 dollars isn't the same as 1968 dollars. As a percent of GNP, the debt is not out of line...just looks bigger because we have a more worthless dollar!
OT said:
refusing to raise taxes
Even JFK knew if you cut taxes, tax revenue would increase because of increased economic activity BY THE RICH!!!!!! The people making the kind of money at the top of your bogus chart don't make it from a salary...they make it from investing in economic activity. Increase taxes on the rich, they stop investing in economic activity...they pay very little more in taxes(ever heard of tax lawyers?)...economic activity slows...tax revenues fall. So your chart is worthless.

Obama will increase the size of government and that will bankrupt this country!
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
Go to one of the neutral sites and compare the promises by each candidate- and then how they want to pay for them- and McSame just runs us into the hole--
It's kinda funny to hear YOU recommending a "neutral site" since you get most of your news from the far-left blogs. :lol:

But do you consider the National Taxpayer's Union neutral?

The National Taxpayers Union Foundation added up all the promises made by the two candidates and found that McCain's would cost taxpayers an extra $68 billion a year. Obama's add up to $344 billion a year.

And what about the Tax Policy Center?

The Tax Policy Center says (Obama's) tax plan would cut federal receipts by $2.7 trillion over the next decade, compared with $3.6 trillion for McCain.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0710chapmanjul10,0,7110404.column

So let's do the math:

McCain would cut receipts by $3.6 trillion over ten years, while adding $680 billion worth of spending.

Obama would cut receipts by $2.7 trillion over ten years, while adding spending of $3.44 trillion.

I can't vouch for the figures from the Trib's column, but if we assume that they are correct...

....which one of the candidates "just runs us into the hole"?
 
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Well to me its pretty simple- if you think conditions in the country today are just hunky dory- and our economy is better today with big oil and the corporates running the country- - than what it was 7 years ago-while we sell much of our infrastructure and industry to foreign nations- then vote for more Bush/McSame/Foreclosure Phil economic policy...

If not vote for a "Change"....

Sad when our soldiers even know our country has went so low down the economic tubes that Russia is more powerful economically now than us- and that we lost so much political and moral standing in the world that we have to kiss Russias arse now....

Going to be tough for some to get used to the fact we are no longer the Superpower-- King George sold that out to China and Russia- who hold much of "our" debt....
 
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I kind of get a laugh out of how this thread changed from US troops supporting Obama by 6 to 1 in campaign contributions to an attack Oldtimer or a tax thread :wink: :lol:

Interestingly the news stations today have been picking up on this- and while some have been reporting for sometime that the family members of servicemen that have been polled were supporting Obama overwhelmingly- now they have been doing some talking with the military folks-those that have been deployed and those that stayed in the states-- and are finding the same....

I guess 100 years of war isn't a policy they feel they want to live with-eh :???: :wink:
 

nonothing

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Your right OT,If people are happy pying for Infrastucture in Iraq with USA tax dollars,then they should vote for McCain...If they would rather see the USA tax dollar leave their country in the trillions,then vote for no change....If you would rather see USA tax dollars spent on and inside the USA then vote for change....Either you support spending more of your tax dollars building up Iraq or The USA ... Iraq has already cost the USA tax payer over a trillion dollars,why on earth would the USA tax payer want to pay even more outside thier own country?
 

nonothing

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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
Go to one of the neutral sites and compare the promises by each candidate- and then how they want to pay for them- and McSame just runs us into the hole--
It's kinda funny to hear YOU recommending a "neutral site" since you get most of your news from the far-left blogs. :lol:

But do you consider the National Taxpayer's Union neutral?

The National Taxpayers Union Foundation added up all the promises made by the two candidates and found that McCain's would cost taxpayers an extra $68 billion a year. Obama's add up to $344 billion a year.

And what about the Tax Policy Center?

The Tax Policy Center says (Obama's) tax plan would cut federal receipts by $2.7 trillion over the next decade, compared with $3.6 trillion for McCain.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0710chapmanjul10,0,7110404.column

So let's do the math:

McCain would cut receipts by $3.6 trillion over ten years, while adding $680 billion worth of spending.

Obama would cut receipts by $2.7 trillion over ten years, while adding spending of $3.44 trillion.

I can't vouch for the figures from the Trib's column, but if we assume that they are correct...

....which one of the candidates "just runs us into the hole"?

If you took the Tax dollars Bush spent outside the USA and inturned used even half that money inside the USA,the country would be thriving.....So if Obama now has to tax more because his country Has not been looked after well enough,then at least this time the taxpayer will see his/her money spent on them ,not in other countries hospitals and schools,homes and other infrastructure...He may have to tax to fix all the problems in side his own country that the last leader never seemed to care enough about..
 

VanC

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Oldtimer said:
WASHINGTON (AFP) — US troops, stationed both abroad and in the US, have donated more money to Democrat Barack Obama than to decorated war hero Republican John McCain.

Oh, really?

"That represents a tremendous shift from 2000, when the military vote almost certainly was decisive in Florida and elsewhere, and leaned heavily towards the Republicans."

Temendous shift, my butt. Donations and votes are not the same thing. If they were, Obama would be up on McCain by a wide margin in the polls. Sounds more like wishful thinking on somebody's part.

But Jason Dempsey, a former professor at the West Point military academy, said that the number of individual donations, just 323, was too small to draw any conclusions.

Ya think? They examined the donations of a whopping 323 people out of the thousands stationed overseas and came up with a "tremendous shift"? Interesting.

The center also stressed that it had only totaled up donations of 200 dollars or more

In other words, this "study" is completely bogus. Why even post it?
 

Texan

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Oldtimer said:
I guess 100 years of war isn't a policy they feel they want to live with-eh :???: :wink:
McCain never said that he supported 100 years of war and you damn well know it. How many times do you think we should allow you to repeat a lie before we consider you a liar?
 
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Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
I guess 100 years of war isn't a policy they feel they want to live with-eh :???: :wink:
McCain never said that he supported 100 years of war and you damn well know it. How many times do you think we should allow you to repeat a lie before we consider you a liar?

Looks like the military folks think different eh :???: They were reporting on some of the news stations that the interviews/polls are showing that while they are committed to do their duty--many think Iraq was a huge mistake- and that many- including most families are tired of the 3-4-5 tours of duty- that often end up getting overextended...They prefer Obamas timetable- and a light at the end of the tunnel that can see them getting out of that quagmire...
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
Texan said:
Oldtimer said:
I guess 100 years of war isn't a policy they feel they want to live with-eh :???: :wink:
McCain never said that he supported 100 years of war and you damn well know it. How many times do you think we should allow you to repeat a lie before we consider you a liar?

Looks like the military folks think different eh :???: They were reporting on some of the news stations that the interviews/polls are showing that while they are committed to do their duty--many think Iraq was a huge mistake- and that many- including most families are tired of the 3-4-5 tours of duty- that often end up getting overextended...They prefer Obamas timetable- and a light at the end of the tunnel that can see them getting out of that quagmire...

But where is the proof that McCain supports the 100 yr WAR you refer too?
Surely you have a link to that news show you refer to!! You just say SOME news stations! Which ones!! Or is this another one of your liberal attempts at skewing the news with misinformation?
:roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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