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USDA- After the Fact

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Anonymous

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I stole this from Sarpy Sams website...It hit the point so well I couldn't say it any better...Does this not remind you of the BSE Import Rules- If the rules and science don't fit for the Multinational Big Corporates- just change the science so the new rules fit....When the big packers couldn't access their captive supply cattle in Canada and were losing money on them the USDA just went against their long standing/long researched BSE prevention rules and made new science/rules so it would fit the Packers agenda....
And in that case it was the Packers and Canadian producers they were bailing out- and the US consumer and US producer be damned...
No wonder none of our former trading partners/consumers trust them...

Best USDA big money can buy
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After The Fact
I just love the way things work sometimes. It really shows the power the large compamies have over the USDA. I never commented on the situation but this summer rice producers in the US had a big problem. It seems like some genetically engineered rice contaminated most of the United States rice supply which has caused devastating effects to the industry in lost foreign markets. Just like BSE hurt cattle producers in the foreign markets.

So, how does the USDA fix the problem? Approve the genetically engineered rice for human consumption. A quick and easy solution. Not only does it allow the farmers to market the contaminated rice, it bails out Bayer CropScience from its little problem of accidentally contaminating the United States' rice supply with unapproved genetically engineered rice. Pretty nifty solution if you ask me.

Now a company that is working on genetically engineering a crop doesn't have to worry about the crop getting away from them, the precedent has been set. If a company contaminates the food supply in the US with an unapproved genetic component, the USDA will bail them out by approving it for human consumption.

Pretty damned handy isn't it. The farmers and the big company gets bailed out and the consumers in the situation? It has to be good for them because the Government says so, that's what the big companies pay them to do.
 

rkaiser

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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: USDA- After the Fact

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I stole this from Sarpy Sams website...It hit the point so well I couldn't say it any better...Does this not remind you of the BSE Import Rules- If the rules and science don't fit for the Multinational Big Corporates- just change the science so the new rules fit....When the big packers couldn't access their captive supply cattle in Canada and were losing money on them the USDA just went against their long standing/long researched BSE prevention rules and made new science/rules so it would fit the Packers agenda....
And in that case it was the Packers and Canadian producers they were bailing out- and the US consumer and US producer be damned...
No wonder none of our former trading partners/consumers trust them...

Best USDA big money can buy

And now they have moved on to the next best sceince of the day - coached by Scotty Boy, the UTM BS is now the best way for the packers to open up just enough Asian market, but not enough to screw with their North American captive supply.

The part about helping the Canadian feedlot producer OT - that was certainly not part of the plan ---- only a consequence of of bailing out Cargill and Tyson.

How can you believe stuff like this, yet think that Rcalf has anything to do with the border you old fart?
 

Sandhusker

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Opening the border is the exact same deal as what they did with rice. Prior rules a problem for the big boys? Just change the rules. They waved their wand and decreed modified rice fit for consumption - they waved their want and decreed Canada "minimal risk". Exact same modus operandi.
 

Econ101

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Sandhusker said:
Opening the border is the exact same deal as what they did with rice. Prior rules a problem for the big boys? Just change the rules. They waved their wand and decreed modified rice fit for consumption - they waved their want and decreed Canada "minimal risk". Exact same modus operandi.

These politicians are selling out our future pretty cheaply. I hope we can hold them accountable in some manner.
 

rkaiser

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Now come then you Rcalf supporters..... Admit that your battles over the Canadian border are futile. Your science is no better than theirs except for pushing for BSE testing for market access.

I have admitted, and will admit once again that I support most all of the other Rcalf policies - ie. - packer ownership, COOL, and anything else that could curtail market manipulation by the multinational packers. But this Canadian border issue - come on. Give it up. You are admitting on this thread that you have, and had, no influence what so ever.

I invite you to fight this fight as one group. Press for BSE testing and forget about the "little bit" of Canadian cattle that are left. This "little bit" is all the packers need to instigate manipulation of pricing here in Canada, and their numbers will not affect you. Nothing any of you do will affect the border other than the media attention which deflects attention from the packers and their real game. A game to whitty for the likes of Agman, Scotty, Jason and Tam, but not beyond your comprehension.
 
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kaiser--Besides blocking the further opening of the Border to OTM's until both countries get a decent feed ban rule and we get M-COOL so the US consumers could choose- I'd like to see the case be followed thru and the US producers (R-CALF) be able to knock the USDA down a few notches...If after listening to all the evidence, a Judge or Jury ruled that USDA was wrong in its assumtions it used to rewrite the BSE rules specifically for the Corporates, it would greatly weaken the previous ruling by the court that the USDA is an unchallegeable rule maker and can't/shouldn't be questioned on its methods/reasons...

Until we can take them down a few pegs, either thru court or thru legislation, they will continue to just do the will of the Big Money Corporates at the expense of the cattle producers....
 

Sandhusker

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rkaiser said:
Now come then you Rcalf supporters..... Admit that your battles over the Canadian border are futile. Your science is no better than theirs except for pushing for BSE testing for market access.

I have admitted, and will admit once again that I support most all of the other Rcalf policies - ie. - packer ownership, COOL, and anything else that could curtail market manipulation by the multinational packers. But this Canadian border issue - come on. Give it up. You are admitting on this thread that you have, and had, no influence what so ever.

I invite you to fight this fight as one group. Press for BSE testing and forget about the "little bit" of Canadian cattle that are left. This "little bit" is all the packers need to instigate manipulation of pricing here in Canada, and their numbers will not affect you. Nothing any of you do will affect the border other than the media attention which deflects attention from the packers and their real game. A game to whitty for the likes of Agman, Scotty, Jason and Tam, but not beyond your comprehension.

We're not even close to admitting that we have no influence. Obviously, the packer have more influence with the USDA, but R-CALF is gaining influence in Congress - and Congress can turn the screws of the USDA.

Our science is no better than theirs? Our case is based on their science. Their science is our arguement!
 

rkaiser

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You two are simply lost in space. You show us how the USDA is bought and paid for and then talk of still having an influence in the border issue. I won't try to reason with yoou any more. Rcalf and their silly little legal battles are only deflecting attention from the real game boys, and you simply will not admit it.

Have fun wasting yoour bucks --- the border will open or stay shut when the packers decide --- and that will be when it is economically beneficial to Cargill and Tyson.

BSE is an economic issue - and that alone. But keep up the sceintific agruement if you like boys - it's pretty pathetic. The only science that has a chance of being true is BSE testing.

Your America vs. Canada crap is sickening. Everyone but the grassroots producers of both of our countries has found a way to use BSEconomics and most all of them are laughing all the way to Sandhuskers bank at the efforts of Rcalf to keep the fire burning.
 

Sandhusker

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Kaiser, this isn't us against Canada - it's us against the USDA. We'd be doing the same if it was Mexico, England, whatever.

If you can recognize the rice deal was the USDA towing to the big boys, why can't you see the same with them opening the border?
 

rkaiser

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Duh - Sandhusker ---- Of course it was the USDA opening the border ----to satisfy their packer buddies interests. Can't you understand what I am saying? Read my posts again man. The USDA will open the border when the packers say --- and only when the packers say. Rcalf had and has no say ----- get it?
 

Econ101

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If the border is closed because of bse, it should be opened if competent bse testing is done.

The next thing is the captive supply problems.

We need a Competition Title to the Farm Bill!!!

Stop allowing the whores on the Ag committees sell out farmers/ranchers!!!

Hold them accountable through the ethics committee and oversight hearings!!

Just get to the bottom of it all and send the packers off of the hill. Their money is dirty money.
 

Sandhusker

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rkaiser said:
Duh - Sandhusker ---- Of course it was the USDA opening the border ----to satisfy their packer buddies interests. Can't you understand what I am saying? Read my posts again man. The USDA will open the border when the packers say --- and only when the packers say. Rcalf had and has no say ----- get it?

I heard you, but I'm telling you there are powers higher than the USDA; the courts and Congress, and those are the folks R-CALF is dealing with now.
 

rkaiser

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Fine Sandhusker - we both agree that Canada had a BSE case before the US. We both agree that the USDA went ahead and opened the border for economic reasons.

Now what is it that Rcalf is supposedly dealing with at the congressional level?

That the USDA was wrong and the border should be slammed shut again? Even though the USA is also a BSE country now. Or are you and Rcalf simply pulling a page from the USDA book on how much or how little science is necessary to use BSEconomics to suit the needs of your group.

If Rcalf would forget about the border and in fact push to open the border and stop the packer manipulation caused by this garbage, all producers, on both sides of the border would be better off. Feeder cattle and fats are crossing as we speak - and Canadian consumers have become used to eating cow meat. All that a final open border would do is screw with the packers captive supply of cows and open the doors for more of the wonderful US/Canadian purebred business that we are all sorrily missing.

Do you think Sandhusker - that all Canadian producers should be down in Regina this week protesting or starting some kind of Rcalf lawsuit because American breeding stock are being allowed in to the Agribition show as long as they stay in Canada after. Hell no - I wish I would have know sooner and made a deal with one of our American friends to bring me up a bull calf.

If Rcalf were to focus on BSE testing to allow the free and unrestricted movement of cattle and beef to and from America - all of the producers of the USA would be far better off than focusing on the Canadian border.

Canadian producers have learned their lesson, and those who have any chance at all will attempt to negotiate with other countries and leave Uncle Sam alone to his problems. Our new plants are steering toward offshore exports and our producers are continuing to push our government and (so called) industry leadership away from dependence on the USA. Things are changing Sandhusker - and yes change will take time - However the efforts of Rcalf will only continue to hinder this change as long as you keep enabling Tyson and Cargill the salmon run with the border issue. I say efforts, and should have said feeble efforts. You know that the border issue will be delt with without Rcalf, but Rcalf certainly helps deflect the attention.
 

Sandhusker

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R-CALF is doing a number of things on the congressional level. We're bending ears on COOL, captive supply, GIPSA, BSE testing, closing holes in the feed ban, etc...., all items that greatly effect the profitability now and the profitability in the future for producers.

Since you agree with me that the USDA opened the border for economic reasons and that it was wrong for them to do so, why do you advocate letting the crime go unpunished? Throw Canada out, throw BSE out, none of that matters in the overall picture of what the USDA pulled. Just consider the actions; Reversing stated policy, supposedly based on the best science available that was to protect health of herd and consumer for the benefit of big business.

I think their actions need to be reversed for two reasons; One, crime should't go unpunished. There needs to be reprecussions for their actions and in the very least, the offense needs to be reversed the best it can. If somebody steals your cattle and they are caught, you get your cattle back if it is possible.

Secondly, allowing them to pull this crap off sets a precidence. Backing them off and letting them know the jig is up sets another precidence. The former is dangerous and only sets us up for more problems, the latter heads off problems.

Yes, closing the border would hurt you guys up there. Sorry to say it, but that is your problem. It's a problem you got yourselves into, but it is a problem you can get out of. There are plenty of places other than us to sell your beef to.
 
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Kaiser- I'd add one thing to Sandhuskers post- If USDA gets their legs knocked out from under them, they may not be able to pull the puppet strings at CFIA anymore- and you guys could be allowed to test...
I don't think CFIA is as completely bought out as USDA is...But as long as USDA goes along with Cargil/Swift etal (that are already shipping large amounts to Japan and the Orient from Australia) and keeps saying "No Test"- you guys won't be able to test...
 

Econ101

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rkaiser, if that does happen, it would be nice if the Canadian govt. supported the PRODUCERS instead of the Packers. Maybe Tyson will get in a bind and have to sell out their Canadian holdings back to Canadians or Canadians/Japanese investors.

It might solve a few of the problems.
 

rkaiser

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Sandhusker - I agree that the USDA was wrong - however I also believe that the border should never have been closed in the first place due to trade agreements between our two countries. I know you won't agree with the later part of that statement, however how can anyone argue that things have not changed since the USDA pulled their border magic to benefit Cargill and Tyson. The USA now has BSE. It is as simple as that. We are now in the same boat man, and the border means nothing any more. (Not that I believed it meant anything in the first place regarding BSE.)
Sandhusker wrote -
R-CALF is doing a number of things on the congressional level. We're bending ears on COOL, captive supply, GIPSA, BSE testing, closing holes in the feed ban, etc...., all items that greatly effect the profitability now and the profitability in the future for producers.

Give er **** on all those issues I say. But supporting the packers closed border game is completely out to lunch. Don't you see the hypocrisy in battling captive supply while supporting it and feeding it with a closed border to a few cows that would not change Oldtimers bank balance over 5 years by 2 cents?
 

rkaiser

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Old fart - If you think Rcalf can knock the legs out from under the USDA you must be drinkin more than I think.

We are moving closer to allowing testing every day - there is another large packer finally in play in Canada and they are almost ready. More will follow. We will have testing before long. So will the USA. Cargill and Tyson can only hold things like this up for a while and then the wool falls off of the right eyes. When the wool falls off of your eyes and a few other die hard Rcalf protectionists, you will see that the border to Canada is actually a good thing for you and your neighbors, and you lost ways have only been helping Cargill and Tyson all along.
 

rkaiser

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We can only hope that Tyson gets in some kind of bind - but with Rcalf helping them to rape the producers of Canada by supporting the closed border and their captive market - it aint going to happen soon.

I can't believe that you for one can't see the irony in the Rcalf stand on the border. Fight the bastards and feed them candy at the same time - amazing.
 
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