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USDA- Portraying Terrorist Theats on the web

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Anonymous

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I just read about how a post on www.nonais.org was traced back to the USDA office in Colorado! I encourage everybody to look up the report about it on this link:

http://nonais.org/index.php/2006/08/29/usda-terrorists/

You have to scroll down, otherwise it looks like nothing is there, but the article starts a short length down the page.

I can see USDA monitoring the anti ID websites to get a feel of what the people (taxpayers) they are supposed to be working for want- but making such comments should not be part of their job- especially when they use scare tactics and make themselves out to be a terrorist planning an attack....

This person/person should be kicking their lunch buckets down the road- but having followed the workings of USDA will probably be promoted.....
 

Econ101

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It's George Orwell's 1984. Big Brother.

This type of thing is just one of the reasons the govt. should have limited power and more accountability. Bush just doesn't believe his administration should answer for anything.
 

Red Robin

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They should be prosecuted for terroristic threatening. There's no excuse for that. I wonder if macon searched his IP address if the culprit has ever posted here?
 
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Anonymous

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The real sad thing is that if you follow all the links and read all the info- it leaves you with the impression that this isn't the janitor just playing around, but instead one of the APHIS folks in a top position....The post appears to have originated from the Office of the Chief Information Officer- and the person later named as belonging to and posting from that computer site is apparently a Veterinarian that is also a USDA/APHIS area supervisor for part of Wyoming.... :( :mad:
 
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Anonymous

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The Australian government has admitted to having faked the polling data about responses to their National Livestock Identification System (NLIS) which is the equivalent of the USDA’s NAIS in this country. Apparently the Australian program is not as great as our US government/NCBA would have us believe...It also makes me wonder what/who is the driving force that would make government employees, lie, cheat, defraud, and make terrorist threats to promote this ID system? :???:

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MLA apologizes for hacking poll

Meat and Livestock Australia (MLA) has been forced to apologize, after two staff members hacked into an Internet poll on the National Livestock Identification System (NLIS).

The Rural Press poll asked readers to rate the performance of the system to trace animals from birth to death.

Early poll results showed more than 60 per cent of voters described NLIS as poor or terrible.

But a day later, after tampering by MLA staff, the poll showed 70 per cent believed the system was good or excellent.


MLA’s managing director, David Palmer, says the staff involved have not been sacked.

He concedes the organization’s credibility is on the line.

“This is a very damaging moment. I take it very seriously, the company takes it very seriously, the board equally are most alarmed and shocked by it,” he said.

“We will take all steps and measures to set us down a track to try to win back that integrity and win back that credibility that we just so desperately need from industry.”

A long-time critic of NLIS, the Australian Beef Association, says the incident does nothing to boost the credibility of electronic identification.

It says the incident backs its claims the system can be easily corrupted.


Chairwoman Linda Hewitt says Mr Palmer should immediately sack the MLA staff involved.

“Possibly the man did not know what was going on, possibly he is very embarrassed, but he certainly needs to take very strong action straight away,” she said.

“We will be keeping an eye on the situation.

“We will be putting press releases out about how we expect the whole situation to be handled and we will be questioning the integrity of the MLA’s checking of itself.”

Consulting firm Ernst and Young will complete an investigation in the hacking incident by early next week.
-ABC Australia
 

Econ101

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So you are saying the inside threat is just as great as the outside threat, OT?

Those who put complete trust in their government don't have room to trust God. :shock: :shock:
 

William Kanitz

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The Rural Press poll asked readers to rate the performance of the system to trace animals from birth to death.
Early poll results showed more than 60 per cent of voters described NLIS as poor or terrible.

Wouldn't you know it , were working there already and our's is the only one database that can do the job anywhere on the planet. www.scoringag.com and it just doesn't cost a arm and a leg and its totally secure. We don't have a problem with (that credibility issue) . Our system does records for livestock, reptiles, poultry, crops, fish, machinery, containers, and ingredients. everything that needs traceback and movement records in real time from field to fork.
 
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Anonymous

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Oldtimer said:
The real sad thing is that if you follow all the links and read all the info- it leaves you with the impression that this isn't the janitor just playing around, but instead one of the APHIS folks in a top position....The post appears to have originated from the Office of the Chief Information Officer- and the person later named as belonging to and posting from that computer site is apparently a Veterinarian that is also a USDA/APHIS area supervisor for part of Wyoming.... :( :mad:

Apparently the info coming out now (second hand and off the record, because I've seen nothing public released from USDA about this) is that the person that the computer is registered to was not the one that committed the act- it was another USDA employee that got/had access to this persons computer...

Which really makes you wonder how secure NAIS or any of our USDA info would/can be if any Tom, Dick, or Harry can come along and access the others computer :???: ... You would think a government computer would have some of the best built in Security....But I guess the best system in the world is worthless if you have an agency run amuck with no administration...
 

RobertMac

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Econ101 said:
It's George Orwell's 1984. Big Brother.

This type of thing is just one of the reasons the govt. should have limited power and more accountability. Bush just doesn't believe his administration should answer for anything.

Econ, don't start sounding like a left-wing blog...Pres. Bush can't have direct over sight of everything. Wouldn't it be more likely that the government bureaucrats are at fault...regardless of the administration? Forty years of Democratic control can put a lot of bureaucrats in place...that can undermine the present administration...CIA leaks???????????
 

Econ101

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RobertMac said:
Econ101 said:
It's George Orwell's 1984. Big Brother.

This type of thing is just one of the reasons the govt. should have limited power and more accountability. Bush just doesn't believe his administration should answer for anything.

Econ, don't start sounding like a left-wing blog...Pres. Bush can't have direct over sight of everything. Wouldn't it be more likely that the government bureaucrats are at fault...regardless of the administration? Forty years of Democratic control can put a lot of bureaucrats in place...that can undermine the present administration...CIA leaks???????????

I totally agree with you here, RobertMac. Bush is so far removed and other people are probably pulling these strings. Since the republican part courted and married k street, there has been no significant congressional oversight. Therein lies the majority of the problem. The bureaucrats are being protected by not having this oversight from Congress. The republican committee ranking and who stays in the chair positions (this is where the decision to get a hearing or not lies) is determined, according to Ornstein, Gingrich, and Foley, from how much money the setup brings to the party. In other words, they have it sold out to the highest bidder.

We have a situation where Congress has the incentives to sell out the FDA, USDA, DOD and other agencies to the highest bidder and keep a lid on it by not having oversight. Since Congress is completely controlled by republicans, that means NOW REPUBLICANS ARE COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE.

I don't think Bush has governed with the executive branch in allowing this to go on to the extent it has for the benefit of the self interests of the members who control the committees in congress. The buck does stop with him on the executieve side and his sellout republicans cronies have helped stack these agencies, or have had the authority to unstack them from previous democratic administrations and failed to do so. JoAnn Waterfield is but one example.

I was watching a news program the other night showing how much money was wasted by the govt. of Iraq (US taxpayers) by corruption. Billions. Katrina is the same. Our FDA is the same and so are the watchdog agencies who are supposed to be over tax policy and pensions the same.

We have a government that is so sold out, they can't govern properly. Republicans have all the tools of governing and decided this time to sell out and do the same old same old that DC does. It is republicans who are totally responsible now but in some cases there are democrats who do it. None of these kind of people should be trusted with the reigns of power, and no one should be trusted without oversight (homeland security and domestic govt. spying especially).

My arguments are directed to republicans now, because they have the reigns of power and the responsiblity, but this is not just a grouping of republicans vs. democrats. It is statesmen vs. politicians.

We need more statesmen and more ways to get the politicians out.

It is just as Pareto said. The suffocation of the oversight committees has allowed the foxes to go unabated and they will continue until it gets so bad the lions will take over again. It is happening and I don't think GW has any idea of it because he is completely surrounded by his own aura. The emperor has no clothes.

It is the classic fault of the assension of Bush's power and of his loyalty over truth way of dealing with the world. All republicans, even the good ones, pay the price for this fault.
 
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