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USDA: Thirty-month rule withdrawal may be temporary

Manitoba_Rancher

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USDA: Thirty-month rule withdrawal may be temporary





USDA withdrew its proposed rule that would allow cattle over 30 months of age into the U.S. market because it felt that it would be inappropriate to continue forward with the rule-making process while it was still investigating a case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy in Canada that affected an animal born long after a protective feed ban was imposed.

"The proposed rule is on hold until we know how this animal was exposed to infection," said USDA spokesman Ed Loyd. USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service has sent an epidemiologist to Canada to assist with the investigation and report back to the agency, he said, "and we need those results" to decide whether the proposed rule is still appropriate from a scientific point of view.

"We remain committed to returning to normal trade with our partners based on sound science," Loyd said.

If nothing new is discovered in the investigation of the Canadian animal, which was born more than four years after a ruminant-to-ruminant feed ban was introduced in 1997, the rule may be resubmitted to the Office of Management and Budget. That is the final regulatory step before it is published for public comment, after which it may be published as a final rule.

Canada still suffers from a glut of cull cattle, mainly older dairy animals that are no longer productive and would normally be slaughtered for meat. The building of new slaughter facilities has eased the burden somewhat, but most new facilities are in the western part of the country, thousands of miles from large dairy herds in Ontario and Quebec. These animals would have normally been sent to slaughter in the eastern United States, and the ban on imports of older cattle is hurting both Canadian farmers and U.S. processors.
 

ranch hand

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Manitoba_Rancher said:
USDA: Thirty-month rule withdrawal may be temporary





USDA withdrew its proposed rule that would allow cattle over 30 months of age into the U.S. market because it felt that it would be inappropriate to continue forward with the rule-making process while it was still investigating a case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy in Canada that affected an animal born long after a protective feed ban was imposed.

"The proposed rule is on hold until we know how this animal was exposed to infection," said USDA spokesman Ed Loyd. USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service has sent an epidemiologist to Canada to assist with the investigation and report back to the agency, he said, "and we need those results" to decide whether the proposed rule is still appropriate from a scientific point of view.

"We remain committed to returning to normal trade with our partners based on sound science," Loyd said.

If nothing new is discovered in the investigation of the Canadian animal, which was born more than four years after a ruminant-to-ruminant feed ban was introduced in 1997, the rule may be resubmitted to the Office of Management and Budget. That is the final regulatory step before it is published for public comment, after which it may be published as a final rule.

Canada still suffers from a glut of cull cattle, mainly older dairy animals that are no longer productive and would normally be slaughtered for meat. The building of new slaughter facilities has eased the burden somewhat, but most new facilities are in the western part of the country, thousands of miles from large dairy herds in Ontario and Quebec. These animals would have normally been sent to slaughter in the eastern United States, and the ban on imports of older cattle is hurting both Canadian farmers and U.S. processors.


I thought some people on here told us that there is no glut of cull cattle. Is there a glut or not?
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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As far as I know there is no glut of OTM cattle up here. Cull cow marketings are pretty current and I think that reflects in the cow price up here right now.
 

Sandhusker

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"If nothing new is discovered in the investigation of the Canadian animal, which was born more than four years after a ruminant-to-ruminant feed ban was introduced in 1997, the rule may be resubmitted to the Office of Management and Budget"

Isn't the purpose of an investigation to uncover something new? Is that to mean that if they can't figure out why there is a positive born four years after the ban that no news is good news and they go on like it never happened?
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
"If nothing new is discovered in the investigation of the Canadian animal, which was born more than four years after a ruminant-to-ruminant feed ban was introduced in 1997, the rule may be resubmitted to the Office of Management and Budget"

Isn't the purpose of an investigation to uncover something new? Is that to mean that if they can't figure out why there is a positive born four years after the ban that no news is good news and they go on like it never happened?

Isn't the purpose of an investigation to uncover SOMETHING? What was uncovered about the Texas cow other than the fact the USDA was using the WRONG testing protocol? What was uncovered on the Alabama cow, sure not her birth place or feed source. Oh don't bother with the ours were "Atypical" because when those so called investigations were in full swing you had no idea they were Atypical but you still let the USDA off by claiming them as pre feed ban cases and there was no interest in finding out about them. Did anything in the US change to strenghten your firewalls? wasn't your testing quotas dropped? sounds like BSE was never found in the US as R-CALF is still claiming you have the safest beef in the World aren't they? Oh yea you have firewalls don't you Sandhusker ones that protect from native BSE but not imported. :wink: Demand answers but not only of Canada but the US BEEF INDUSTRY ALSO .
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
"If nothing new is discovered in the investigation of the Canadian animal, which was born more than four years after a ruminant-to-ruminant feed ban was introduced in 1997, the rule may be resubmitted to the Office of Management and Budget"

Isn't the purpose of an investigation to uncover something new? Is that to mean that if they can't figure out why there is a positive born four years after the ban that no news is good news and they go on like it never happened?

Isn't the purpose of an investigation to uncover SOMETHING? What was uncovered about the Texas cow other than the fact the USDA was using the WRONG testing protocol? What was uncovered on the Alabama cow, sure not her birth place or feed source. Oh don't bother with the ours were "Atypical" because when those so called investigations were in full swing you had no idea they were Atypical but you still let the USDA off by claiming them as pre feed ban cases and there was no interest in finding out about them. Did anything in the US change to strenghten your firewalls? wasn't your testing quotas dropped? sounds like BSE was never found in the US as R-CALF is still claiming you have the safest beef in the World aren't they? Oh yea you have firewalls don't you Sandhusker ones that protect from native BSE but not imported. :wink: Demand answers but not only of Canada but the US BEEF INDUSTRY ALSO .

I have to laugh at you, Tam. Yesterday you posted, "And as far as definitive answers to our BSE the USDA are on that right now " like you had Sherlock Holmes on the case. Today, you rant about the USDA's shortcomings (and somehow managing to try to tie R-CALF into it) like they were Barney Fife. Your opinion of the USDA seems to change with the wind. Your only consistancy is using them to blame R-CALF for anythign and everything you can think of.

You clearly don't think the USDA knows what is going on with our BSE, but R-CALF is totally out of line to think they don't know what is going on with your BSE. You are the standard bearer for the Canadian Militant Anti R-CALFers. Keep posting, we appreciate the recruiting help. Anytime our adversaries post foolishness, we look that much better.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
"If nothing new is discovered in the investigation of the Canadian animal, which was born more than four years after a ruminant-to-ruminant feed ban was introduced in 1997, the rule may be resubmitted to the Office of Management and Budget"

Isn't the purpose of an investigation to uncover something new? Is that to mean that if they can't figure out why there is a positive born four years after the ban that no news is good news and they go on like it never happened?

Isn't the purpose of an investigation to uncover SOMETHING? What was uncovered about the Texas cow other than the fact the USDA was using the WRONG testing protocol? What was uncovered on the Alabama cow, sure not her birth place or feed source. Oh don't bother with the ours were "Atypical" because when those so called investigations were in full swing you had no idea they were Atypical but you still let the USDA off by claiming them as pre feed ban cases and there was no interest in finding out about them. Did anything in the US change to strenghten your firewalls? wasn't your testing quotas dropped? sounds like BSE was never found in the US as R-CALF is still claiming you have the safest beef in the World aren't they? Oh yea you have firewalls don't you Sandhusker ones that protect from native BSE but not imported. :wink: Demand answers but not only of Canada but the US BEEF INDUSTRY ALSO .

I have to laugh at you, Tam. Yesterday you posted, "And as far as definitive answers to our BSE the USDA are on that right now " like you had Sherlock Holmes on the case. Today, you rant about the USDA's shortcomings (and somehow managing to try to tie R-CALF into it) like they were Barney Fife. Your opinion of the USDA seems to change with the wind. Your only consistancy is using them to blame R-CALF for anythign and everything you can think of.

You clearly don't think the USDA knows what is going on with our BSE, but R-CALF is totally out of line to think they don't know what is going on with your BSE. You are the standard bearer for the Canadian Militant Anti R-CALFers. Keep posting, we appreciate the recruiting help. Anytime our adversaries post foolishness, we look that much better.

I laugh at you daily Sandhusker as you defend a group that claims to have the "Safest Beef in the World" raised to the "Highest Health and Safety Standards in the World" but then turn around and question every movement the agency that is in charge of that World Safest Beef and those World Highest Standards and FIREWALLS makes. :roll:

When I posted the USDA was on top of it I forgot to put the :wink: See the ones that are really on top of it are the Canadian Beef industry and the CFIA. As we want to know as much as we can so we can assure our consumers both domestic and foreign they are not in danger when eating CANADIAN beef. Unlike our US counterparts that don't care if they ever find any definitive answers to where their BSE comes from, as long as they are big and powerful enough to threaten their way back into markets. We can only hope the USDA boys learn something about a "successful" investigation while they are up here "assisting the Canadians". :nod: :lol:

And I don't blame the shortcoming of the US beef industry totally on the USDA. I do think the USDA should have been a bit more transparent about the testing protocol they use, but they were fighting a up hill battle if they were to find a case. As the US beef industry has handicapped any kinds of successful investigation with their refusal to ID their entire herd. AND TELL US SANDHUSKER JUST WHO GOT M'ID TAKEN OUT OF M'COOL? Maybe just maybe if the US beef industry was a bit more compliant with the USDA rules and a bit more transparent to who really raised those US Born and Raised Cattle then the USDA could be a bit more transparent. As they wouldn't have to fear another investigation ending with nothing really NEW TO REPORT. Just how many failed investigation are you willing to go through before consumers start to loose confidence in your WORLD SAFEST BEEF?
 

Sandhusker

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Tam, "As the US beef industry has handicapped any kinds of successful investigation with their refusal to ID their entire herd. AND TELL US SANDHUSKER JUST WHO GOT M'ID TAKEN OUT OF M'COOL? "

R-CALF is supposed to endorse M-ID when it has never been decided who would run the program, what the protocols would be, what the cost would be, who would pay for it, etc.....? Yeah, we sure are stupid. :lol: :lol:

We got M-ID out of M-COOL because it isn't needed. We don't have M-ID, but we could have COOL tomorrow. ID only needs to start at the packers, not all the way back to the producers.
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam, "As the US beef industry has handicapped any kinds of successful investigation with their refusal to ID their entire herd. AND TELL US SANDHUSKER JUST WHO GOT M'ID TAKEN OUT OF M'COOL? "

R-CALF is supposed to endorse M-ID when it has never been decided who would run the program, what the protocols would be, what the cost would be, who would pay for it, etc.....? Yeah, we sure are stupid. :lol: :lol:

We got M-ID out of M-COOL because it isn't needed. We don't have M-ID, but we could have COOL tomorrow. ID only needs to start at the packers, not all the way back to the producers.

because it isn't needed :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Will M'COOL tell you where your next NATIVE BSE infected cows were born and raised? :roll: You seem to think Packers should take responsibility for what they producer WHY NOT YOU? If you aren't willing to ID your cattle back to BIRTHPLACE to assure consumers that you will take responsiblity for what you produce, why should those consumers domestic or foreign be loyal to you?
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, "As the US beef industry has handicapped any kinds of successful investigation with their refusal to ID their entire herd. AND TELL US SANDHUSKER JUST WHO GOT M'ID TAKEN OUT OF M'COOL? "

R-CALF is supposed to endorse M-ID when it has never been decided who would run the program, what the protocols would be, what the cost would be, who would pay for it, etc.....? Yeah, we sure are stupid. :lol: :lol:

We got M-ID out of M-COOL because it isn't needed. We don't have M-ID, but we could have COOL tomorrow. ID only needs to start at the packers, not all the way back to the producers.

because it isn't needed :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Will M'COOL tell you where your next NATIVE BSE infected cows were born and raised? :roll: You seem to think Packers should take responsibility for what they producer WHY NOT YOU? If you aren't willing to ID your cattle back to BIRTHPLACE to assure consumers that you will take responsiblity for what you produce, why should those consumers domestic or foreign be loyal to you?

What other cases? The USDA says we only have maybe 5 in the entire herd. They're even cutting back on testing, haven't you heard? We need M-ID for 5 cows in a herd of 90 million?
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, "As the US beef industry has handicapped any kinds of successful investigation with their refusal to ID their entire herd. AND TELL US SANDHUSKER JUST WHO GOT M'ID TAKEN OUT OF M'COOL? "

R-CALF is supposed to endorse M-ID when it has never been decided who would run the program, what the protocols would be, what the cost would be, who would pay for it, etc.....? Yeah, we sure are stupid. :lol: :lol:

We got M-ID out of M-COOL because it isn't needed. We don't have M-ID, but we could have COOL tomorrow. ID only needs to start at the packers, not all the way back to the producers.

because it isn't needed :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Will M'COOL tell you where your next NATIVE BSE infected cows were born and raised? :roll: You seem to think Packers should take responsibility for what they producer WHY NOT YOU? If you aren't willing to ID your cattle back to BIRTHPLACE to assure consumers that you will take responsiblity for what you produce, why should those consumers domestic or foreign be loyal to you?

What other cases? The USDA says we only have maybe 5 in the entire herd. They're even cutting back on testing, haven't you heard? We need M-ID for 5 cows in a herd of 90 million?

Truth be know some producer will just shoot shovel and brag about the US not having BSE, in other words business as usual. :roll: M'ID is not for just BSE but for any reportable disease. But never mind Sandhusker keep dragging your feet and see what the rest of the world will think of your system when it is so far behind any other modern beef producing nation that you will never catch up.
 

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