USFW & GF&P story from RCJ

[P Joe]

You are right, they are not required to notify the sheriff, it would only be profesional courtesy to do so. Unless they think they are above trying to work with the sheriff.

Agree. I said before that I didn't agree with how the situation was handled by Priekasat. And others questioned the legality of it being done that way. I am merely saying that it was ok for a federal game warden to write a person a ticket without calling the sheriff. Now if that game warden didn't follow policy on handling the situation, then go after the person. Not the whole agency.

That is too what I said, if you think not prove it

And how do you propose I do that. How do I prove what the intent of your words were? I can only testify to the way I took them. Why don't you prove that I took those words the way you meant them. :roll:

I don't think I called you a name, but if you can find where I did, I APOLOGIZE. Man if you can't stand a little jest(which I did do) I would suggest a little meditation, vacation, or stay in from recess and take a nap.

I can take the joshing, no big deal, but you have yet to post something to prove to me why the sheriff should have handled that case and not GF&P.

 

[passin thru]

why the sheriff should have handled that case and not GF&P.

I didn't say the sheriff should have, Work together.............things go smoother that way

 

[Jinglebob]

"JB was the one that told me I was wrong."

I never told you you were wrong. I merely pointed out that in my county, according to my deputy sherriff, the sherriff dept. has the last say.

As to whether a local law enforcement should have been involved, yes, I think so. It only makes sense. If they were not, it smacks of inter-departmental problems or trying to hide something. Both departments should have been involved, for lots of reasons, that have been pointed out in this thread. I don't think you read these posting very well. You just get all defensive and won't even answer questions asked of you. I see very little reason to respond to any of your postings from now on, until you do.

As for getting the GF&P involved with a game violation, that would only happen here if tresspassing was involved, so I would still call the deputy and if he thought the GF&P should be involved, he can get them here faster than I can. I'm just going about it in the most efficient, shortest period of time way, I know how.

In much the same way, if I have what I think is a heart attack, I'll call the paremedics and they can call the doctor, if he needs to be involved.

 

[Liberty Belle]

P Joe: You want me to say it. Fine. YOU, JB are LYING. about who has jurisdiction of game laws. You are a LIAR.

Maybe you did talk to your local sheriff. I don't care. However I would bet that what he told you and what you type are 2 different stories!

If you think you are right, then please post some evidence to support you ill conceive theory. Otherwise maybe you should take passin thru's advice and keep your trap shut!

P Joe again: A site you don't like and a ruling you really don't like, but it is OFFICAL opinion. Doesn't matter what YOU think!

The Department of Game, Fish and Parks (GF&P) "shall enforce the laws of this state involving the protection and propagation of all game animals, game birds, fish, and harmless birds and animals." SDCL 41 3 8. To do so, GF&P has the "authority to employ an adequate force of conservation officers." SDCL 41 2 11. The conservation officers are required to meet the education and training requirements of other South Dakota law enforcement officers, and be certified as such. SDCL §§ 41 2 11, 41 15 10.1. Conservation officers are responsible for enforcing, inter alia, every state statute which pertains to game, fish, parks, forestry or boating. SDCL 41 15 10.1(2). One such statute requires all licensees to exhibit their license "at any time upon request of any person." SDCL 41 6 63. While enforcing this and other statutes identified in SDCL 41 15 10.1, conservation officers are law enforcement officers with the "same authority as any other law enforcement officer" (id.) including arrest. SDCL 41 15 10. In light thereof, it is my opinion that: (1) GF&P has statutory authority to manage and regulate hunting, fishing and trapping in South Dakota; and (2) conservation officers have a statutory mandate to enforce the state's wildlife laws and regulations.

http://www.state.sd.us/attorney/applications/documents/oneDocument.asp?DocumentID=636

In nothing you posted here is GF&P given more authority than the county sheriff. Your characterization of the sheriff as Barney Fife tells us all we need to know about you and your opinion of legitimate law enforcement officers. Your contempt of the highest law enforcement authorities in the state, our duly elected county sheriffs, is despicable.

For someone who complains about name calling, you sure do a lot of it. Not only have you called Jinglebob a liar for simply pointing out a couple things you were too obtuse to see, but you also called other folks on here who disagree with you liars, bullies, etc., me included. Ever heard that old expression about the pot calling the kettle black?

P Joe: How does a trepassing issue compare to what we are talking about. I am not and will not argure about tresspassing. I agree with you on that. The pilot was not charged with simple tresspassing. He was charged with much different crimes.

I don't think I would care to discuss things in person with you. Since all you can do on here is call me names and poke fun. Seems to me it would be like arguring with a school yard bully.

If I am soooo off my rocker on this, then please post some examples of where a sheriff has hauled someone in for poaching a deer, or shooting a pheasant past sunset, or shot 1 to many pheasants, or didn't have the proper licenses, or any game law violation. Since you are "right" then it shouldn't be too hard to find some.

Much as I hate to rain on your parade, P Joe, I can't let you keep spreading your wild tales. Contrary to what you would like us to believe, the pilot in question was charged with two counts of simple trespassing, both of them misdemeanors. No ticket was ever written.

The only reason that GF&P called in USFW agent Prieksat was because the Airborne Hunting Act is federal and GF&P wanted to make it as tough on the little bugger as they could without looking like they had anything to do with the case. There is no law that says the feds had to be called in. As Sheriff Clarkson stated, he could have easily taken care of the situation without all the hoopla, but that was not what GF&P wanted.

Don't forget that the guy who filed the complaint against the predator control pilot was the GF&P pilot who tried to get the his job with the multi-district predator control board using a petition full of forged names. The GF&P pilot no longer works for GF&P because he has since been convicted of a felony and has done hard time in the state pen, which makes it illegal for him to posses a firearm, much less shoot predators from his airplane.

The GF&P trapper was with the GF&P pilot at the annual predator control board meeting when they filed the fraudulent petition and it was the GF&P game warden who made sure that the sheriff was headed out of town in the opposite direction before Prieksat and another agent went to arrest our pilot.

Does this tell you anything about GF&P and their law enforcement tactics, or do we need to draw you a picture?

 

[Jinglebob]

P Joe: You want me to say it. Fine. YOU, JB are LYING. about who has jurisdiction of game laws. You are a LIAR.

Maybe you did talk to your local sheriff. I don't care. However I would bet that what he told you and what you type are 2 different stories!

If you think you are right, then please post some evidence to support you ill conceive theory. Otherwise maybe you should take passin thru's advice and keep your trap shut!

P Joe again: A site you don't like and a ruling you really don't like, but it is OFFICAL opinion. Doesn't matter what YOU think!

The Department of Game, Fish and Parks (GF&P) "shall enforce the laws of this state involving the protection and propagation of all game animals, game birds, fish, and harmless birds and animals." SDCL 41 3 8. To do so, GF&P has the "authority to employ an adequate force of conservation officers." SDCL 41 2 11. The conservation officers are required to meet the education and training requirements of other South Dakota law enforcement officers, and be certified as such. SDCL §§ 41 2 11, 41 15 10.1. Conservation officers are responsible for enforcing, inter alia, every state statute which pertains to game, fish, parks, forestry or boating. SDCL 41 15 10.1(2). One such statute requires all licensees to exhibit their license "at any time upon request of any person." SDCL 41 6 63. While enforcing this and other statutes identified in SDCL 41 15 10.1, conservation officers are law enforcement officers with the "same authority as any other law enforcement officer" (id.) including arrest. SDCL 41 15 10. In light thereof, it is my opinion that: (1) GF&P has statutory authority to manage and regulate hunting, fishing and trapping in South Dakota; and (2) conservation officers have a statutory mandate to enforce the state's wildlife laws and regulations.

http://www.state.sd.us/attorney/applications/documents/oneDocument.asp?DocumentID=636

In nothing you posted here is GF&P given more authority than the county sheriff. Your characterization of the sheriff as Barney Fife tells us all we need to know about you and your opinion of legitimate law enforcement officers. Your contempt of the highest law enforcement authorities in the state, our duly elected county sheriffs, is despicable.

For someone who complains about name calling, you sure do a lot of it. Not only have you called Jinglebob a liar for simply pointing out a couple things you were too obtuse to see, but you also called other folks on here who disagree with you liars, bullies, etc., me included. Ever heard that old expression about the pot calling the kettle black?

P Joe: How does a trepassing issue compare to what we are talking about. I am not and will not argure about tresspassing. I agree with you on that. The pilot was not charged with simple tresspassing. He was charged with much different crimes.

I don't think I would care to discuss things in person with you. Since all you can do on here is call me names and poke fun. Seems to me it would be like arguring with a school yard bully.

If I am soooo off my rocker on this, then please post some examples of where a sheriff has hauled someone in for poaching a deer, or shooting a pheasant past sunset, or shot 1 to many pheasants, or didn't have the proper licenses, or any game law violation. Since you are "right" then it shouldn't be too hard to find some.

Much as I hate to rain on your parade, P Joe, I can't let you keep spreading your wild tales. Contrary to what you would like us to believe, the pilot in question was charged with two counts of simple trespassing, both of them misdemeanors. No ticket was ever written.

The only reason that GF&P called in USFW agent Prieksat was because the Airborne Hunting Act is federal and GF&P wanted to make it as tough on the little bugger as they could without looking like they had anything to do with the case. There is no law that says the feds had to be called in. As Sheriff Clarkson stated, he could have easily taken care of the situation without all the hoopla, but that was not what GF&P wanted.

Don't forget that the guy who filed the complaint against the predator control pilot was the GF&P pilot who tried to get the his job with the multi-district predator control board using a petition full of forged names. The GF&P pilot no longer works for GF&P because he has since been convicted of a felony and has done hard time in the state pen, which makes it illegal for him to posses a firearm, much less shoot predators from his airplane.

The GF&P trapper was with the GF&P pilot at the annual predator control board meeting when they filed the fraudulent petition and it was the GF&P game warden who made sure that the sheriff was headed out of town in the opposite direction before Prieksat and another agent went to arrest our pilot.

Does this tell you anything about GF&P and their law enforcement tactics, or do we need to draw you a picture?

Well said and to the point, LB.

I'll bet your people are sure happy the got you in the state house. Hope you talked to them folks like you do on here. Your posts are always a bright spot.

 

[P Joe]

In nothing you posted here is GF&P given more authority than the county sheriff. Your characterization of the sheriff as Barney Fife tells us all we need to know about you and your opinion of legitimate law enforcement officers. Your contempt of the highest law enforcement authorities in the state, our duly elected county sheriffs, is despicable.

Please point me out where I called the sheriff Barney Fife. I'm pretty sure it wasn't me!


And please post something where it says that county sheriffs are the "highest law enforcement authorities" I have been looking to see where who would rank where but have yet to find it. So if you can please share.

Much as I hate to rain on your parade, P Joe, I can't let you keep spreading your wild tales. Contrary to what you would like us to believe, the pilot in question was charged with two counts of simple trespassing, both of them misdemeanors. No ticket was ever written.

Since you are the expert on this, what was he orginally charged with? Not found guilty off, but charged with?

The only reason that GF&P called in USFW agent Prieksat was because the Airborne Hunting Act is federal and GF&P wanted to make it as tough on the little bugger as they could without looking like they had anything to do with the case. There is no law that says the feds had to be called in. As Sheriff Clarkson stated, he could have easily taken care of the situation without all the hoopla, but that was not what GF&P wanted.

Don't forget that the guy who filed the complaint against the predator control pilot was the GF&P pilot who tried to get the his job with the multi-district predator control board using a petition full of forged names. The GF&P pilot no longer works for GF&P because he has since been convicted of a felony and has done hard time in the state pen, which makes it illegal for him to posses a firearm, much less shoot predators from his airplane.

The GF&P trapper was with the GF&P pilot at the annual predator control board meeting when they filed the fraudulent petition and it was the GF&P game warden who made sure that the sheriff was headed out of town in the opposite direction before Prieksat and another agent went to arrest our pilot.

I think I have said before that I agree with this opinion and I don't agree with how GF&P ran this guy thru the ringer. But I don't see where GF&P technically did anything wrong. In my opinion, a Federal or GF&P officer should have written him a ticket to appear in court and confiscated his rifle and tagged his airplane. This is what happens when a deer is poached. I think that would have been fair. Do you?

But here is my question to you.

IF you get pulled over in YOUR county by a highway partrolman for speeding. And this person is just a complete jerk. The BIGGEST jerk you have ever come across, And he goes thru the book and also writes you a ticket for every violation that he can. Every little thing.

How far are you going to get with a judge by saying?

The only reason that the HP and not the sheriff pulled me over was because I was on a US highway and the HP wanted to make it as tough on me as they could without looking like they had anything to do with the case. There is no law that says the HP had to pull me over. As Sheriff Clarkson would have stated, he could have easily taken care of the situation without all the hoopla, but that was not what the HP wanted.

How far is that going to go in your defense?

 

[P Joe]

Well said and to the point, LB.

I'll bet your people are sure happy the got you in the state house. Hope you talked to them folks like you do on here. Your posts are always a bright spot.

Got enought brown on your nose?? :lol: :lol:

 

[Jinglebob]

Well said and to the point, LB.

I'll bet your people are sure happy the got you in the state house. Hope you talked to them folks like you do on here. Your posts are always a bright spot.

Got enought brown on your nose?? :lol: :lol:

Unlike dogs and evidently you, I don't sniff butts, so no, I guess there is no brown on my nose.

If you are refering to my telling LB I like her postings and how she words things, then I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers. Sometimes, if others don't let you know that they agree with you or that they think you worded something well, you will never know and may doubt that you are getting your point across. I just wanted LB to know that I think she did a good job. I admire her "never say die" attitude and wish we had more like her in the statehouse. If we did, we might be able to get rid of some of the worn out and worthless laws and hold people more accountable for what they do. I feel as she does on many issues. She's my kind of people. She's a friend who I don't get to see often enough. In general, she's a "stand up guy". I wish there were more like her. And if no one tells her when she is doing good, maybe she will quit and say "the hell with it." I don't want that to happen. Everyone should get a compliment when they do well.

Satisfied?

By the way, when are you going to answer the question posed to you, ie. what agency do you work for?

You know, most of us on here know each other or we post where we live and/or pictures of our area. Why don't you? What is your agenda? what have you got to hide? Are you involved in the ranching or farming industry? What do you do for a living? About the only thing I know about you is that you seem to like to be outdoors for recreation and seems to take an intent intrest in anything to do with the GF&P. Tell us more.

And if you don't like the way we do things in our area or don't care for what we believe or how we think things should or could work, why do you bother to come here and muck things up?

You are entitled to your opinoion, but you don't seem to think any of the rest of us are entitled to ours.

That's kind'a small minded ain't it, PJ? :roll:

 

[P Joe]

Unlike dogs and evidently you, I don't sniff butts, so no, I guess there is no brown on my nose.

If you are refering to my telling LB I like her postings and how she words things, then I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers. Sometimes, if others don't let you know that they agree with you or that they think you worded something well, you will never know and may doubt that you are getting your point across. I just wanted LB to know that I think she did a good job. I admire her "never say die" attitude and wish we had more like her in the statehouse. If we did, we might be able to get rid of some of the worn out and worthless laws and hold people more accountable for what they do. I feel as she does on many issues. She's my kind of people. She's a friend who I don't get to see often enough. In general, she's a "stand up guy". I wish there were more like her. And if no one tells her when she is doing good, maybe she will quit and say "the hell with it." I don't want that to happen. Everyone should get a compliment when they do well.

Satisfied?

By the way, when are you going to answer the question posed to you, ie. what agency do you work for?

You know, most of us on here know each other or we post where we live and/or pictures of our area. Why don't you? What is your agenda? what have you got to hide? Are you involved in the ranching or farming industry? What do you do for a living? About the only thing I know about you is that you seem to like to be outdoors for recreation and seems to take an intent intrest in anything to do with the GF&P. Tell us more.

And if you don't like the way we do things in our area or don't care for what we believe or how we think things should or could work, why do you bother to come here and muck things up?

You are entitled to your opinoion, but you don't seem to think any of the rest of us are entitled to ours.

That's kind'a small minded ain't it, PJ? :roll:

I didn't mean for you to take it quite so harsh. Just joking around a little.

I don't work for an agency or anyone else for that matter. I am just a poor farmer trying to make his way thru the world. If I wanted everyone on the internet to know about my personal life, I would be on myspace. Because you choose to do so on here, doesn't mean everyone else has to.

I do take an interest in all this GF&P stuff. I have looked at this site for a long time. Just never posted. I don't like the idea's that some are trying to push into law. I thought maybe if I got a better picture of the otherside of things that maybe I could understand better. But the more I see, the more I think that none of us will ever agree on things.

Am I entilted to my opinion? Seems a few of you have come down just as hard on me for voicing mine. You are entilted to have you opinion on how things should have been handle. But a few questioned if it was legal to do it the way they did. I was merely saying that it was perfectly legit for a federal game warden to write a person a ticket without involving local law enforcement. That's it. Is that the "moral" way to go about it. No, I don't think so. But GF&P didn't break any laws by doing it that way. Can we agree on that?

I'm sorry about the "liar" deal. I didn't mean for you and passen thru to take it the way you did. What I don't understand is why your sheriff said what he said. Technically what he said is not right. Morally, yea it is. But we don't arrest people for being "morally" wrong.

 

[Liberty Belle]

P Joe, read this over again:

Harding County Sheriff Bill Clarkson said he wasn't surprised when he heard three months ago that Gov. Mike Rounds wanted to oust Prieksat.

"I was not surprised at all, because I've dealt with him up here," Clarkson said. "And I just think the way he handled things here was all wrong."

In March of 2003, Prieksat arrested Harding County rancher Jerry Janvrin for illegal aerial hunting in the killing of two coyotes. Clarkson said he learned of the arrest when he got a telephone call from Janvrin, who was handcuffed and in a vehicle with Prieksat and another enforcement agent headed for Rapid City.

Clarkson was angry that he wasn't involved in or notified of the arrest and believed there was no reason for Janvrin to be handcuffed and hauled away.

"Jerry is one of those guys I could have called on the phone and told him to be at the courthouse in Rapid City at 1 p.m., and he would have got in the pickup and drove down there," Clarkson said. "Prieksat and somebody else came to the calving barn and took Jerry out in handcuffs, for two misdemeanors."

Clarkson said he made that point to Prieksat by telephone after the arrest.

"I said, 'You should call when you come in my county. This is my county, and you talk to me first,'" Clarkson said. "He said, 'I can go anywhere, anytime and do anything I want.'"

Everything Sheriff Clarkson said here is not only morally right, but he is also "technically right". Prieksat was the one in the wrong. He cannot "go anywhere, anytime and do anything I want", no more than any other law enforcement officer can, whether they are local, state or federal.

Liberty Bell wrote:
Much as I hate to rain on your parade, P Joe, I can't let you keep spreading your wild tales. Contrary to what you would like us to believe, the pilot in question was charged with two counts of simple trespassing, both of them misdemeanors. No ticket was ever written.

P Joe: Since you are the expert on this, what was he orginally charged with? Not found guilty off, but charged with?

P Joe, read what I wrote over again, slowly this time. The pilot was ORIGINALLY charged with TWO COUNTS OF SIMPLE TRESPASS, BOTH MISDEMEANORS!!! Hardly offenses worthy of handcuffs and shackles, do you think?

Jinglebob – thanks for your kind words. Too bad you aren't in my district so you could vote for me!

Now I've got a question for you that it totally unrelated to the subject – did I read on here somewhere that you are going to be at the Cowboy Oprey soon? And is Bob going to sell the building?

 

[Jinglebob]

I didn't mean for you to take it quite so harsh. Just joking around a little.

IF I DON'T SEE A SMILEY FACE, I ASSUME THE PERSON MAKING THE REMARK IS SERIOUS.

I don't work for an agency or anyone else for that matter. I am just a poor farmer trying to make his way thru the world. If I wanted everyone on the internet to know about my personal life, I would be on myspace. Because you choose to do so on here, doesn't mean everyone else has to.

YOU ARE CORRECT. MOST OF US HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. MOST PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER SEEM TO BE THAT WAY. WE ARE BASICLY FRIENDLY AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR WORDS AND ACTION. WHEN SOMEONE ACTS DIFFERENT THAN THAT, THEY SUSPECT. WE TOO DON'T LIKE THINGS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE USED TO.

I do take an interest in all this GF&P stuff. I have looked at this site for a long time. Just never posted. I don't like the idea's that some are trying to push into law. I thought maybe if I got a better picture of the otherside of things that maybe I could understand better. But the more I see, the more I think that none of us will ever agree on things.

WE MIGHT NOT AGREE ON ALL THINGS, BUT I THINK WE CAN AGREE ON SOME. MOST OF THE BELIEFS WE DISAGREE ON ARE FROM COMING FROM DIFFERENT REIGONS, I BELIEVE.

Am I entilted to my opinion? Seems a few of you have come down just as hard on me for voicing mine. You are entilted to have you opinion on how things should have been handle. But a few questioned if it was legal to do it the way they did. I was merely saying that it was perfectly legit for a federal game warden to write a person a ticket without involving local law enforcement. That's it. Is that the "moral" way to go about it. No, I don't think so. But GF&P didn't break any laws by doing it that way. Can we agree on that? YES. LEGEL, BUT SHORTSIGHTED. THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT MAKE IT HARD FOR SOME OF US TO WELCOME THE GF&P INTO OUR LIVES. WE VERY SELDOM HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WELCOMEING THEM INTO OUR HOMES AS THEY DON'T DROP IN FOR A NEIGHBORLY CHAT. THO' I DID ATTEND A MEETING WHERE THERE WERE SEVERAL. THEY SEEMED NICE ENOUGH, BUT THEN THEY WERE OUTNUMBERED. LOL

I'm sorry about the "liar" deal. I didn't mean for you and passen thru to take it the way you did. APOLIGY ACCEPTTED. I DO NOT LIE AND WILL NOT BE TOLERANT OF ANYONE WHO SAYS I DO. MY WORD IS MY BOND. I MIGHT BS A LITTLE WITH SOMEONE, TOUNGE IN CHEEK, BUT I DON'T LIE.What I don't understand is why your sheriff said what he said. Technically what he said is not right. NOT ACCORDING TO HIM OR LB. CHECK THE CONSTITUTION. GF&P MAY HAVE MORE POWER ON GAME LAWS, BUT NOT ON ANYTHING ELSE, TO MY UNDERSTANDING AND ANYTHING DEALING WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE THE CASE AROUND HERE, THE HIGHEST POWER WOULD BE THE COUNTY SHERRIFF. IF IT COMES TO A SHOWDOWN, I'LL SIDE WITH THE SHERRIFF.Morally, yea it is. But we don't arrest people for being "morally" wrong.

 

[Happy go lucky]

JB if LB was holding office in my state capitol she would not garner support on a wide bases, if she speaks as she does on this forum and not have a more professional manner about herself and to those she speaks to! Also to not present facts nearly as much as opinion, would take away creditability as well.

If you look at bank robberies the FBI has overall control if federally insured, All answer to them in these cases. ATF supersedes any other law enforcement in certain cases dealing with exsplosives,sale or transport of illegal alcohol or tobacco products and gang related arrest with firearms.

Federal law enforcement supersedes any state,county or local control when dealing with federal law. They do and can work together, but if need be the federal agencies have supremacy in most cases.

The investigative agencies have nationwide jurisdiction for enforcement of federal law, while the uniformed agencies have limited territorial jurisdictions. The FBI has the most general investigative powers, while the other federal agencies are highly specialized. All federal agencies are limited by the U.S. Code to investigating only matters that are explicitly within the power of the federal government. However, federal investigative powers have become very broad in practice, especially since the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act.

At a crime or disaster scene affecting large numbers of people, multiple jurisdictions, or broad geographic areas, many police agencies may be involved by mutual aid agreements. Usually the highest local agency having jurisdiction, or the highest federal law enforcement agency (if federal law was involved), will take command in such complex situations.

The federal government is prohibited from exercising general police powers due to restrictions in the constitution, due to the fact that the United States is organized as a union of sovereign states, which each retain their police, military and domestic law-making powers. For example, the State's National Guard is the state's military. The constitution gives the federal government the power to deal with foreign affairs and interstate affairs (affairs between the states). For policing, this means that if a domestic crime such as murder is committed in a state and the fugitive does not flee the state, the federal government has no jurisdiction. However, once the fugitive crosses a state line he violates the federal law of interstate flight and is subject to federal jurisdiction, at which time the FBI may become involved.

 

[P Joe]

Everything Sheriff Clarkson said here is not only morally right, but he is also "technically right". Prieksat was the one in the wrong. He cannot "go anywhere, anytime and do anything I want", no more than any other law enforcement officer can, whether they are local, state or federal.

How is he technically right?

Yes or No question. Does the GF&P have the aurthority to write tickets for violations without the consent of the sheriff?

P Joe, read what I wrote over again, slowly this time. The pilot was ORIGINALLY charged with TWO COUNTS OF SIMPLE TRESPASS, BOTH MISDEMEANORS!!! Hardly offenses worthy of handcuffs and shackles, do you think?

I repeat again. I do not condone Prieksat's actions.
It was not illegal for a game warden to write the pilot a ticket.

If you reread the example that I have posted. GF&P has wrote tickets far from their jurisdiction(my beleive) without consent of a sheriff.

If it is not against state policy/law for a GF&P offical to write up an underage drinker, then why do you believe it is against the law for a GF&P officer to write up a ticket for a trespasser?

Also do you have an answer for the previous question. I'll post it for you again.

How far are you going to get with a judge by saying?

The only reason that the HP and not the sheriff pulled me over was because I was on a US highway and the HP wanted to make it as tough on me as they could without looking like they had anything to do with the case. There is no law that says the HP had to pull me over. As Sheriff Clarkson would have stated, he could have easily taken care of the situation without all the hoopla, but that was not what the HP wanted.

I still can't stop giggling about this. I can just picture you up on the bench saying those words.

 

[P Joe]

Welll............. next time I'll put 4 instead of 2 then.

But really, who does have more power? Since the sheriff is only at the countly level, does he overide a GF&P officer who is at the state level?

Your county sheriff has no power in my county and mine doesn't have any in yours. But your or my GF&P officer can write tickets to violaters in multiple counties including each others. So when it came down to it, who could override who? I don't know, but I'm having the balls to ask it so please don't jump all over me on this. :shock:

 

[Jinglebob]

Welll............. next time I'll put 4 instead of 2 then.

But really, who does have more power? Since the sheriff is only at the countly level, does he overide a GF&P officer who is at the state level?

Your county sheriff has no power in my county and mine doesn't have any in yours. But your or my GF&P officer can write tickets to violaters in multiple counties including each others. So when it came down to it, who could override who? I don't know, but I'm having the balls to ask it so please don't jump all over me on this. :shock:

I have no idea. I am going by what my deputy told me. I'll ask next time I get the chance.

Maybe we just need to start something and see. :wink:

Botoom line for me, I have better access to the sherriff, so that is who I would call, unless I just happened to know a GF&P guy was real close. No, on second thought, I would still call the sherriff, as we seem to have a hard time to get GF&P officers to do much of any good around here. Nice guys I met awhile back, but their agency has made promises to me in the past, that were not kept. So, once burned, twice shy.

Take the matter of mountain lions in this area. We were told that they do not want mountain lions around here. If anyone sees one or tracks, we were told to contact our local CO asap, so they could find it and remove it. Everyone around here laughs at me when I tell them this and mumble something about SSS. I say, give them one chance, so if I see a track or a lion, I will call them. Once. If they do as they say, great. If not, I will take it as a breach of faith and go about my business and "manage" the wildlife on my ranch, myself.

I do realize that they are restricted by laws and many are good laws in the east and poor ones here and vice versa. I wish we could get the powers that be to recognize that and do something about it instead of just rubber stamping a state wide law, that only makes sense in half the state.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Well hello again Happy!!! Nice to see you're back. I guess you missed my earlier post to you?

Here it is again. Got an answer to this now?

Happy said: Good Point P Joe!

Also it is the Federal Airborne Hunting act and not a state to state deal! If you have a federal officer at hand and time permits he/she is then the one to issue warrants or bring in people on federal charges.

It is funny how many don't like trespass, yet when done with an airplane and a coyote things change? If a pilot ran your cattle through a fence without your permission to fly how would you react?

Again the people put this law into place, as it used to be legal for anyone with a plane and pilot license to fly and shoot coyotes and fox!!!! The landowners raised the stink becuase of high fur prices and missing out on the 75$ fox and the 100$ coyotes that put these laws into action in the first place.

Could he have done without the handcuffs? Could have, I don't know the policy for such offenses. LB calling the man a creep? Do you know him personally? Or it seems with you anyone who dosern't abide by your thought process is a creep, scum, strong arm, etc.

LB maybe more lock out acres are in order to get your state to not have a Federal warden or 4 million more acres will be locked out LOL.

Yeah, Happy, I know the creep – only too well. And so do several other folks in our area. Janvrin isn't the only guy up here who has had the misfortune to meet Mr. Prieksat.

That's an interesting take you have on why the Airborne Hunting Act was put into place. Not true, but interesting. Let me guess… some landowner kicked you off his land for trapping coyotes when the price was high and you haven't recovered from the shock of a landowner having first crack at getting those high-priced furs, huh? Never mind that the land you were trapping on was HIS land?

The lockout is an answer to the overbearing and abusive actions of all the wildlife agencies involved, both state and federal. It doesn't matter to us which governmental agency pays the salary of the employees running roughshod over the rights of sportsmen and landowners, we're not going to allow their actions to go unchecked.

This is America, not the USSR, although with some of the things that have happened, courtesy of folks like Prieksat and South Dakota's own GF&P, it's hard to tell the difference sometimes.

I've asked before and never got an answer – which wildlife organization do you work for?

 

[Southdakotahunter]

So if this is about BOTH feds and state, when will you stop the lockout? Do both feds and state have to stop, bow down and kiss your feet or is one enough lb???

 

[Southdakotahunter]

opps, posted 2x

 

[publichunter]

Depends on the day and the question or point you are trying to make will be the answer to WHY the lockout is in place. It all boils down to money.....Perhaps the reason Priekstat did not contact Barney was that many times the Sheriff is in the pockets of the locals, being a elected official and all.
PLEASE LB dont worry about my rights as a hunter and sportsman...I will protect my own rights, and would certainely not endorse the lockout or want you in any shape way or form protecting my rights.

 

[passin thru]

Perhaps the reason Priekstat did not contact Barney was that many times the Sheriff is in the pockets of the locals, being a elected official and all.

Perhaps the reason is Priekstat is an overzealous gov official that thinks he is above everyone else and has to answer to no one. Which is the most logical choice, because if it was as you say he could be voted out by those that are not in his pocket.

PLEASE LB dont worry about my rights as a hunter and sportsman...I will protect my own rights, and would certainely not endorse the lockout or want you in any shape way or form protecting my rights.

I am sure that LB is going to try toprotect everyones right even if you don't want it. If you take a step back and look at yourself you could see that you are not worried about RIGHT you are worried about PRIVILEDGES that someone might not let you have.