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USFW & GF&P story from RCJ

If you take a step back and look at yourself you could see that you are not worried about RIGHT you are worried about PRIVILEDGES that someone might not let you have.[/quote]

No, no PT! These type of people will never understand that it's a privledge. To them it's a right.

Go anywhere, hunt anything, as long as the GF&P sells them a tag, they must be able to hunt. Else, why would the GF&P sell them a tag, if they didn't have the right to go anywhere, hunt anywhere, or anything. :wink:

Why, to think they are the privledged would just be wrong. :wink:
 
You are right JB, but they know it but won't admit it.

Also, I've been thinking about the sheriff in the pocket of locals theory..............................won't hold water. By their thinking the Game warden has power over the sheriff(and this they have said). So if the sheriff was in the pocket of locals......................they could nail the sheriff to the wall.
 
passin thru said:
You are right JB, but they know it but won't admit it.

By their thinking the Game warden has power over the sheriff(and this they have said).
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ok, where in my posting have I EVER said that? Feel free to copy and paste it. :D

You have said that the sheriff has has more power over the GF&P. Which in my opinion is not true. I have posted examples to prove my opinion that the sheriff does not have more power than GF&P.

Where are your examples? Where are your facts for supporting your opinion?? "yes" you are entilted to your opinion. But if you are going to push it on others, be prepared to back it up with facts and examples. The only thing ever posted is what JB had heard from his sheriff. As honest and as good as those men maybe, it is still just an opinion. That just doesn't cut in in proving a case. I also asked the question about who would have more power when push came to shove. NO ONE even tried to answer that!

To me both are sperate agencies. Both are charged with upholding a certain group of laws, while they are both are able to uphold any SD law. I don't know who has more power. But one thing is for sure is that the sheriff does not outrank a GF&P offical. I'm not saying that GF&P outranks the Sheriff. That's why I asked. I can't find anything about who ranks where. I'm not going to ask my local sheriff or GF&P becuase they will both say the oppisite. I imagine I will have to ask the local lawyer next time we cross paths.

Oh and LB I'm still waiting for a response. Since you are taking so long I'm guessing you're coming up with something good to say or burn me with. I can't wait to read it! :lol: :lol: :D :D
 
I do beleive I have the right to hunt.....It is a priveledge to hunt on private land.

What i meant about the comment of Barney in the pocket did no way mean he is on the take, it meant that perhaps he serves the people in his County a little more easier and faster and fairer than some one who does not own property or a resident oh his county.

GF&P have all of the same powers your Barney has except the power to arrest for drunken driving infractions. I would say they are equal and I would think in most normal Counties work in tandem.
 
publichunter said:
GF&P have all of the same powers your Barney has except the power to arrest for drunken driving infractions. I would say they are equal and I would think in most normal Counties work in tandem.
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They have the power to do that to. As I have posted previously. There have been recorded arrests for dui by a GF&P official. In South Dakota.
 
OH, I don't know who said what. I do know that I evalute things, many times by what is NOT said more than what is said. Many times people do not have to say things in direct words in order to get their message out.

im·ply(m-pl)
tr.v. im·plied, im·ply·ing, im·plies
1. To involve by logical necessity; entail: Life implies growth and death.
2. To express or indicate indirectly: His tone implied disapproval. See Synonyms at suggest. See Usage Note at infer.
3. Obsolete To entangle.
check no. 2

A man that shaves his head does not have to tell you he likes short hair, for some reason you just know.
 
When you see a man with tattoo's it is safe to conclude he likes tattoo's

When you see a man eating KFC it is safe to conclude he likes chicken

When you see a game warden fail to inform the sheriff of law enforcement details, it is safe to conclude he thinks he doesn't have to. Which also is safe to conclude he is over the sheriff(if he was under the sheriff he would notify him.

When someone tells you he has a right to hunt, with it a priveledge to hunt on private land, it is safe to conclude that he feels he has the right to hunt on public land.

When someone tells you the sheriff is in the POCKET of locals it is safe to conclude they mean money(after all what does a person put in their pocket)
 
passin thru said:
When you see a man with tattoo's it is safe to conclude he likes tattoo's

When you see a man eating KFC it is safe to conclude he likes chicken

When you see a game warden fail to inform the sheriff of law enforcement details, it is safe to conclude he thinks he doesn't have to. Which also is safe to conclude he is over the sheriff(if he was under the sheriff he would notify him.

When someone tells you he has a right to hunt, with it a priveledge to hunt on private land, it is safe to conclude that he feels he has the right to hunt on public land.

When someone tells you the sheriff is in the POCKET of locals it is safe to conclude they mean money(after all what does a person put in their pocket)
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Assumption is the mother of all screw ups!! :D

I never said that GF&P was over the sheriff. I asked that question to which no one has posted a "reserched answer"

I'll ask you again, where are your facts and examples that would suggest a sheriff would have more power than a GF&P officer?

OR am I safe to "assume" that you absence of a posting means you don't have any??? :) :) :D
 
I never did say a sheriff was over a game warden.
I said not informing the sheriff of a pending arrest is safe to conclude the game warden doesn't think he has to. Take it a step further.............if the game warden thinks he is above informing the sheriff..........tells me he thinks he is above the sheriff.
I did not assume anything..........I concluded this by his actions.

You on the other hand assumed I thought the sheriff was above the GW.

I believe in working together no matter who has more power, is that so hard to understand................unless you believe he shouldn't have to work with the lowly sheriff. Remember this is more than a mere ticket, it was arresting and handcuffing.
 
Bouviers Law Dictionary; "It is the sheriff's duty to preserve the peace within his bailiwick or county. To this end he is the first man within the county, and may apprehend and commit to prison all persons who break or attempt to break the peace, or may bind them over in a recognizance to keep the peace."


The Sheriff of the county will probably be the first one called when someone is seen in the commission of a crime, whether is be drugs, wildlife, driving recklessly on county state or federal roads etc... That to me is only common sense. I also assume he will then call the appropriate authorities if he sees fit. GF&P law enforcement is not 24/7 law enforcement and many poachers work after hours which leads me to believe that the sheriff would be the first one called or at the very least the first to respond. Common sense would also tell me that it would be to the benefit of all other law enforcement coming into the county to first check with the Sheriff for their safety as well as the safety of the people under the Sheriffs jurisdiction. Now with that being said I am sure if you don't want Barney Fife, the Sheriff will be more than happy to let your call from the Sheriffs office be to real law enforcement of your choice. Hopefully they will come and he will be able to go home and skip the paper work.
 
SJ said:
Yes the Sheriff has more power than GF&P. He is elected by the people.

Barney Fife was a deputy.
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Is that opinion or proof? I know that the lockout has a problem with GF&P officals not being elected. But because you don't agree with things doesn't mean you can change the rules.

Show some proof that the sheriff has more power. I agree that both departmens should work together on things. I don't agree that GF&P should have to call the sheriif everytime they want to issue a ticket. IF thats the case should the HP call the sheriff everytime they issue a ticket as well??

I never made the "Barney Fife" comment. Go back and look, so stop directing it at me please.
 
Very interesting......could you imagine the sheriff in Pennington or Minnehaha county (Rapid City and Sioux Falls) being called everytime someone needs arresting? If a HYPO pulls over someone and finds drugs, should they call the sherrif or just arrest him? Very interesting.

It has always been my belief there is a pecking order, starting with county, then state, then fed. Maybe im wrong. Would be nice to see some proof other than just opinion.

Here is another one for you. Lets say they didnt handcuff. Would you still be upset? What if, heaven forbid, the "good ol boy" who was getting arrested, didnt get handcuffed, and ended up beating the snot out of the fed on the way or even killed him on the way to the jail.......whos fault then? I am not sure but i believe it is standard procedure to handcuff anyone you take into custody, no questions asked..... I think because things have happened in the past is why everone is handcuffed when arrested.
 
I can see why they would handcuff him. After all he shot a coyote. That would make him a violent criminal. Thats how dog the bounty hunter does it right. Do they handcuff you for a speeding ticket? Do they use handcuffs for all misdemeanors?

He shot a coyote on the wrong side of the fence. To use an example that you used earlier SD, sometimes s--- happens right...
 
Yes you get handcuffed for speeding...if you go to jail for it. If you are going in excess of "x" over the speed limit, you go to jail.....If you get busted for 1 marijauana (ms) joint, you go to jail, even tho it is a misdeameaner (ms) and it was not violent.........

if i get a ticket for speeding, i sign the ticket saying i will pay or go to court. If i dont go to court and dont pay, a warrent is issued for my arrest and they come and put handcuffs on you. that is procedure. You get searched, cuffed stuffed, fingerprinted and the works.

Its my OPINION that if a warrent is issued, you are arrested. Now maybe someone should have been called and told the dude to go turn his butt in, but it didnt happen. In the larger countys, the sherrif wouldnt get a dang thing done if every time an arrest needed to be made, he had to give them his blessing.

I do not believe there is ever a time where someone is "arrested" and not put in handcuffs.........without going against procedure.................
 
Boy you guys are desperate.

First you were proven that the sheriff is over the GW. (Oh I forgot you want more proof)geez grow up. Now you are grasping for excuses. Now you try and change the sugject and bring the HYPO into the equation.................sorry not a legit excuse.

It is real simple.............if a GW needs to make an arrest like this all he has to do is notify the sheriff out of courtesy. Then the sheriff can say......
go ahead or I'll be there. Then if anything happens he was aware of the situation. IS THAT SO HARD.................only hard if you think notifying the lowly sheriff is beneath you.

You guys try to portray game violation as being so numerous that we just might need a jail for their violations. Get real and quit perpetuating you hogwash.

COMMON COURTESY
 
Bouviers Law Dictionary; "It is the sheriff's duty to preserve the peace within his bailiwick or county. To this end he is the first man within the county, and may apprehend and commit to prison all persons who break or attempt to break the peace, or may bind them over in a recognizance to keep the peace."
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You are comparing two seperate issues and crimes, I won't play that game with you. Apples do not equal oranges.............don't even try.
Furthermore in my County................there is one jail(County) and everyone has a radio in their car.
 
The funniest thing about this whole thread is that we have a few that will find any and every EXCUSE in the book as to why they don't have to make one little call to the sheriff.

When I see this desperation of EXCUSES one has to waonder what is behind their motive and what are they HIDING
 

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