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Using The Giffords Shooting To Destroy Free Speech

Triangle Bar

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Using The Giffords Shooting To Destroy Free Speech
by Pamela Geller
01/13/2011


Now it is clear that Jared Loughner was stalking Gabrielle Giffords for years, long before Sarah Palin and her supposed “target” electoral map. Now it is clear that Loughner’s classmates were afraid of him months ago.

One teacher wrote last summer: “Hopefully he will be out of class very soon, and not come back with an automatic weapon.” A student wrote: “He frightened the daylights out of me. I kept saying to people, ‘I’m afraid he’s going to come into the class with a gun.' ”

Not only was he dangerous, he was a Leftist. Loughner’s high school friend, Caitie Parker, remembers him as a “political radical” who was “Left-wing, quite liberal.” Loughner also has a creepy “music video” up on YouTube, in which he is dressed as a terrorist and burns an American flag.



Now that we know it proves true what I said on Saturday at 4:16 p.m. (Atlas was first with the youtube channel): that Loughner was a Left-wing radical loon. Nonetheless, be warned. The Left is still trying to use this lunatic’s insane actions to try to shut us up.

That’s what the Democrats do. Two proposals are floating. One is designed to tamp down the political rhetoric. What does that mean? It won’t apply to the left -- that much is sure. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), said Sunday: “We are in a dark place in this country right now; the atmospheric condition is toxic. Much of it originates here in Washington D.C., and we export it around the country.”

His solution? Muzzle the Right.

This from the congressman who lied and said he heard a “chorus” of Tea Partiers use an ugly racial epithet. Yet no evidence -- none -- was ever found for this allegation. There were thousands of people there, with hundreds of video cameras rolling. Not one caught this “chorus.” So Cleaver eventually retracted his claim. But now he is proposing speech restrictions? You can’t make this stuff up.

And Rep. Robert Brady (D-Pa.) plans legislation to make it a federal crime to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening to a federal official.

First Amendment out the window. Free speech, as long as it is speech the fascists like.

And why is a federal official’s life more valuable than say, mine? I get death threats all the time using jihadic language and Islamic symbols. Let’s outlaw those too, eh?

The killer was a madman -- Loughner stalked Giffords for three years. The killer’s eerie note: “I planned ahead.“

Three years. That means that he started before Palin became a key national figure, before the Tea Party and before the 2010 Republican win. So all those charges are just hate propaganda designed to destroy our best people. Loughner was no conservative. He was nuts. Period.

Exception makes bad law. The father of the 9-year-old angel who was shot in the chest does not want restrictions on free speech.

Of course, gun control is also on the fascist agenda of exploitation of this mass murder. More Lefty lies to control and disarm the people.

As if gun control will improve mental illness. Yes, let’s take guns out of the hands of decent, law-abiding citizens. Amazing how the Republicans postponed all House business, yet the Democrats are rushing this legislation.

Consider this: The rabid obsession that the media and the Democrats have exhibited in hanging the Right with the Arizona slaughter of six by a Left-wing radical is a mirror inversion of the Democrats’ and media’s obsession with the silence on the religious motive behind Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s jihad at Fort Hood, which led to the slaughter of 14.

Major Hasan was a proud shaheed. He had come out as a jihadi on grand grounds. He had “Soldier of Allah” imprinted on his business card. Anwar al-Awlaki was his imam. He distributed copies of the Koran on the morning of this Islamic attack on the U.S. military base. Hasan screamed the war cry of jihad, “Allahu Akbar,” as he mowed down our soldiers at Fort Hood. And if that wasn’t bad enough, we had to be lectured, counseled and admonished for months afterward against “Islamophobia” (which is effectively the enforcement of Islamic law against blasphemy).

As our brave soldiers lay dying, many dead, the chief concern of Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey in the bloody aftermath was that “speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers. And what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here.” That was the kickoff. A threat to diversity was the problem, not jihadis in the military.

The wreckage that is being caused by the media’s scorched-earth tantrum is a shock to the American system. If they get away with it, nothing will be the same.
Email, write, snail mail, call your congressman and say no to this. Why punish the American people by shredding the Constitution? Say no to the left’s attempt to use this tragedy to further Left-wing totalitarian aims.
 

Tam

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This administration started from day one with a moto of let no crisis go to waste and this is just another example of their swamp scum ways of using anything they can to get what they want. The worst thing about this Administration is if they know they can't get their way through Congress they wait until nobody is looking and then passes a new regulation to implement want they want, IE Cap and Trade through EPA and Internet control through FCC. Congress needs to stop this crap in it's footprints and States need to start filing lawsuits to abolish the damage this Administration is doing to the US way of life. Challenge any bill or regulation that even smells like it is un- constitutional before they have a chance to implement it. As they have already proven that the Constitution means NOTHING TO THEM.
 

Larrry

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Just look at the lefty violence that is swept under the rug. This nutcase that shot these people and his leftist reading. Just look at his book list. Then you have the guy who got shot in the knee and he threatened DEATH and the media anf the left are mum on his vioplent actions.

The left OWNS the violence on this shooting from the very beginning.
 

Tam

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Larrry said:
Just look at the lefty violence that is swept under the rug. This nutcase that shot these people and his leftist reading. Just look at his book list. Then you have the guy who got shot in the knee and he threatened DEATH and the media anf the left are mum on his vioplent actions.

The left OWNS the violence on this shooting from the very beginning.

AND they own the violence IE DEATH THREATS as a result of their media coverage of this shooting.
 

hypocritexposer

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I don't think this shooting had anything to do with political rhetoric. But if it did, then it was probably something said by Giffords herself that set this whacko off, seeing as he was obsessed with her since about 2007.

Congresswo­man Gabriel Giffords said the following on Fox News, June 30, 2010: “If you’re angry at the politician­s, take out your anger and resentment on the politician­s, not over — you know, over the hard-worki­ng people.”

and no, I'm not blaming the victim, because I don't think there was anything wrong with the statement she made, but to someone who maybe had a grudge and was schizophre­nic, who knows?
 

Faster horses

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The libs have no concept of personal responsibility, so of course to them,
that shooting had to be someone elses' fault other than the
shooter himself.
It just goes along with how they think.
 

hypocritexposer

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Faster horses said:
The libs have no concept of personal responsibility, so of course to them,
that shooting had to be someone elses' fault other than the
shooter himself.
It just goes along with how they think.

They look at it as a collective responsibility versus individual.

Additional taxes on the middle and upper classes is the answer (sarcasm off)

and as far as institutionalizing mental patients, that would be a political correctness issue.


The authors discuss what can be learned from our experience with deinstitutionalization. The deinstitutionalization of mentally ill persons has three components: the release of these individuals from hospitals into the community, their diversion from hospital admission, and the development of alternative community services. The greatest problems have been in creating adequate and accessible community resources. Where community services have been available and comprehensive, most persons with severe mental illness have significantly benefited. On the other hand, there have been unintended consequences of deinstitutionalization—a new generation of uninstitutionalized persons who have severe mental illness, who are homeless, or who have been criminalized and who present significant challenges to service systems. Among the lessons learned from deinstitutionalization are that successful deinstitutionalization involves more than simply changing the locus of care; that service planning must be tailored to the needs of each individual; that hospital care must be available for those who need it; that services must be culturally relevant; that severely mentally ill persons must be involved in their service planning; that service systems must not be restricted by preconceived ideology; and that continuity of care must be achieved.

http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/52/8/1039
 

cheetah69

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No one ever has even hinted at anyone's first amendment rights being taken away. The point has always been that words can be used, uttered, screamed, shouted or plastered on signs. But one has to understand that sometimes those words help to create a climate and have consequences. Can anyone deny the vitriol that has plagued the political debate within the last two years? And if you could honestly assess which side has been more culpable in such vitriol, you'd concede it's been the Right.

I realize it's asking too much to expect anyone here to thinking logically, objectively or honestly about this, but I had to give it a shot.
 

Tam

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cheetah69 said:
No one ever has even hinted at anyone's first amendment rights being taken away. The point has always been that words can be used, uttered, screamed, shouted or plastered on signs. But one has to understand that sometimes those words help to create a climate and have consequences. Can anyone deny the vitriol that has plagued the political debate within the last two years? And if you could honestly assess which side has been more culpable in such vitriol, you'd concede it's been the Right. I realize it's asking too much to expect anyone here to thinking logically, objectively or honestly about this, but I had to give it a shot.


Wrong again oh wise one.

Sen. James Cyburn is right now asking to have the Fairness Doctrine re-in-stated Which means Conservative talk radio will be cut back or silenced altogether. That is why the Dems/Liberals keep trying to bringing it back and we all know it. :roll: And I heard "Never miss a chance to get my face in the news" Sharpton is going after Rush. to see if he can get him ban.

If it was about uttering hate then the Dems would be demanding the firing of the MSNBC on air staff as they have uttered more hate than any group of people known to man kind Or did you miss this little tidbit which has been only one of MANY

"In short, in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees. In any other time in our history, this man would have been laughed off the stage as an unqualified and a disaster in the making by the most conservative of conservatives. Instead, the commonwealth of Massachusetts is close to sending this bad joke to the Senate of the United States."
uttered by no other than MSNBC's main man Olbermann. And since he was just punished for breaking his Contract by donating to Democart Candidates, I doubt even you can consider him from the Right.

Now answer a few question to see just who is being honest about who is the problem Right or Left.

Who was it that had the Black Panthers outside polling stations intimidating voters?
Who dropped the charges on the Black Panthers after the case was won?
Who had Union Thugs beating townhallers?
Who did the Unions claim they put in the WH?
Who were making threaten phone calls after citizens dared to speak out at town hall meeting?
Who claimed to be a strong supporter of a group (ACORN) that was signing up Dead people to vote for him?
Who falsely accused a Tea Party rally of shouting racial slurs but when evidence was requested could not provide any?
Who stood in front of the nation and blamed the police of acting stupidly without knowing one single fact about his Black Professor's run in with the police?
Who told his supporters to bring a gun to a knife fight?
Who told his supporter(Latinos) to punish their enemies meaning the REPUBLICANS?
Who continues to call law abiding Tea Party members derogitory names because they are standing up for the CONSTITUTION?
Who within hours of the AZ shooting was blaming the shooting on Palin, Beck, ORielly, Rush, Tea Partiers and anything Conservative?

If you can honesty answer these question then I think you will get a picture that you seem to be NOT SEEING. :roll:
 
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Yanuck said:
and Reader2 is back folks!


:agree: :cowboy:

I'm pretty sure you're wrong (almost positive)-- but I only wish you weren't... :(

That lady probably has travelled more, has more knowledge of the world, and sees what is happening in that rest of the country and world, than anyone on this site...
I didn't always agree with her- but her knowledge thru her travels, education, and job- that went far beyond what either the radical right or radical left newscasters keep preaching- was very enlightening and educational... Added a great amount to the site- if you were willing to listen and learn....
Far better than the propoganda conspiracist machines some have seemed to start worshipping and preaching..... :roll: :(
 

Yanuck

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Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Yanuck said:
and Reader2 is back folks!


:agree: :cowboy:

I'm pretty sure you're wrong (almost positive)-- but I only wish you weren't... :(

That lady probably has travelled more, has more knowledge of the world, and sees what is happening in that rest of the country and world, than anyone on this site...
I didn't always agree with her- but her knowledge thru her travels, education, and job- that went far beyond what either the radical right or radical left newscasters keep preaching- was very enlightening and educational... Added a great amount to the site- if you were willing to listen and learn....
Far better than the propoganda conspiracist machines some have seemed to start worshipping and preaching..... :roll: :(

Well OT, as a moderator, you could find out quite easily by checking IP's, but then you tried to tell us jingo2 wasn't Kola and they have been proved to be one and the same. :roll:

R2 may have been very worldly and knowledgeable, but it was awfully hard to get past the condescending tone and words she used while she talked down to the board!
 
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Anonymous

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Yanuck said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
:agree: :cowboy:

I'm pretty sure you're wrong (almost positive) -- but I only wish you weren't... :(

That lady probably has travelled more, has more knowledge of the world, and sees what is happening in that rest of the country and world, than anyone on this site...
I didn't always agree with her- but her knowledge thru her travels, education, and job- that went far beyond what either the radical right or radical left newscasters keep preaching- was very enlightening and educational... Added a great amount to the site- if you were willing to listen and learn....
Far better than the propoganda conspiracist machines some have seemed to start worshipping and preaching..... :roll: :(

Well OT, as a moderator, you could find out quite easily by checking IP's, but then you tried to tell us jingo2 wasn't Kola and they have been proved to be one and the same. :roll:

R2 may have been very worldly and knowledgeable, but it was awfully hard to get past the condescending tone and words she used while she talked down to the board!
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Yanuck said:
and Reader2 is back folks!


:agree: :cowboy:

I'm pretty sure you're wrong (almost positive)-- but I only wish you weren't... :(

That lady probably has travelled more, has more knowledge of the world, and sees what is happening in that rest of the country and world, than anyone on this site...
I didn't always agree with her- but her knowledge thru her travels, education, and job- that went far beyond what either the radical right or radical left newscasters keep preaching- was very enlightening and educational... Added a great amount to the site- if you were willing to listen and learn....
Far better than the propoganda conspiracist machines some have seemed to start worshipping and preaching..... :roll: :(

Yea Oldtimer she seem to know a lot of people, that knew someone, that knew someone that might know something. :wink: But I think we all know she was no different than any other Liberal. When she was caught in a story she couldn't back she denied, devert and when that didn't work she blamed the glass of wine or played her famed PITY CARD. But I do have to say one thing for her when she could no longer defend her vote for Obama SHE LEFT. :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
:agree: :cowboy:

I'm pretty sure you're wrong (almost positive)-- but I only wish you weren't... :(

That lady probably has travelled more, has more knowledge of the world, and sees what is happening in that rest of the country and world, than anyone on this site...
I didn't always agree with her- but her knowledge thru her travels, education, and job- that went far beyond what either the radical right or radical left newscasters keep preaching- was very enlightening and educational... Added a great amount to the site- if you were willing to listen and learn....
Far better than the propoganda conspiracist machines some have seemed to start worshipping and preaching..... :roll: :(

Yea Oldtimer she seem to know a lot of people, that knew someone, that knew someone that might know something. :wink: But I think we all know she was no different than any other Liberal. When she was caught in a story she couldn't back she denied, devert and when that didn't work she blamed the glass of wine or played her famed PITY CARD. But I do have to say one thing for her when she could no longer defend her vote for Obama SHE LEFT. :wink:

she was also very quick to accuse new members of the board, of not being who they said they were, right of the bat, when she found out they did not agree with her.
 

Steve

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why worry about who she could have been or is... sure this one is condescending, and acts like a former member who stormed off, who had a friend who left after roping an antelope..


but the fact is... there aren't many liberals left..

and most of the ones left can't get past one line with out descending into insults,.. so try not to hold that against her..
 

Triangle Bar

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cheetah69 said:
No one ever has even hinted at anyone's first amendment rights being taken away. The point has always been that words can be used, uttered, screamed, shouted or plastered on signs. But one has to understand that sometimes those words help to create a climate and have consequences. Can anyone deny the vitriol that has plagued the political debate within the last two years? And if you could honestly assess which side has been more culpable in such vitriol, you'd concede it's been the Right.

I realize it's asking too much to expect anyone here to thinking logically, objectively or honestly about this, but I had to give it a shot.

Is this a sample of hate filled vitriol of which you speak?
(a caution to the ladies, there's some offensive words in this link)

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/01/the-face-of-hate.html
 
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