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Van Dyke; What I think

Tam

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Mike said:
I can see now there is going to be a problem in the future in the "North American" beef industry with all the "Confidentiality" verbage being slung back and forth pertaining to the ID system.

Cattle ID can work two ways. It can track cattle "away" from the innocent as well as tracking it "to" the guilty.
Isn't this the exact reason the US ranchers don't want a National ID system? As they are scared that they will be held accountable for the cattle they raise.
 

PORKER

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Tam, As they are (Canadians) exporting , are They scared that they will be held accountable for the cattle they raise or ship.
 

Bill

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PORKER said:
Tam, As they are (Canadians) exporting , are They scared that they will be held accountable for the cattle they raise or ship.

Obviously much less so than AMERICAN producers as Canadians have had an ID system for a few years. American are where in the process?

I am surprised you didn't know that.
 

PORKER

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Tam, As they are (Canadians) exporting , are They scared that they will be held accountable for the cattle they raise or ship. Are yours ,Bill?
 

Econ101

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Bill said:
PORKER said:
Tam, As they are (Canadians) exporting , are They scared that they will be held accountable for the cattle they raise or ship.

Obviously much less so than AMERICAN producers as Canadians have had an ID system for a few years. American are where in the process?

I am surprised you didn't know that.

If we can't even track live Canadian imported cattle with ease, what makes you think we can get our govt. to track all the domestic cattle?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Econ101 said:
Bill said:
PORKER said:
Tam, As they are (Canadians) exporting , are They scared that they will be held accountable for the cattle they raise or ship.

Obviously much less so than AMERICAN producers as Canadians have had an ID system for a few years. American are where in the process?

I am surprised you didn't know that.

If we can't even track live Canadian imported cattle with ease, what makes you think we can get our govt. to track all the domestic cattle?


You see ECON that's what makes Canada so superior. The industry started the CCIA. The industry has lead the way on our M'ID. Once we had it started the Government had to make it Mandatory but it is NOT government run.
 

Bill

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PORKER said:
Tam, As they are (Canadians) exporting , are They scared that they will be held accountable for the cattle they raise or ship. Are yours ,Bill?

Put it in a sentence. What the heck are you asking? Are my what?
 

Mike

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Econ101 said:
Bill said:
Obviously much less so than AMERICAN producers as Canadians have had an ID system for a few years. American are where in the process?

I am surprised you didn't know that.

If we can't even track live Canadian imported cattle with ease, what makes you think we can get our govt. to track all the domestic cattle?


You see ECON that's what makes Canada so superior. The industry started the CCIA. The industry has lead the way on our M'ID. Once we had it started the Government had to make it Mandatory but it is NOT government run.

You're statement is laughable Big Muddy.

From the CCIA website:

"The Canadian Cattle Identification Program makes traceback and containment of serious animal health and food safety problems faster and more efficient, which helps keep customers buying Canadian beef and cattle.

This program is regulated and enforced by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA)."

CFIA is not "GOVERNMENT"? :???: :???:
 

PORKER

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Bill are you accountable for your cattle that you handle? If I bought some from you , could I have all your records on just those animals and or their products or would you not tell me.
 

Econ101

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Mike said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Econ101 said:
If we can't even track live Canadian imported cattle with ease, what makes you think we can get our govt. to track all the domestic cattle?


You see ECON that's what makes Canada so superior. The industry started the CCIA. The industry has lead the way on our M'ID. Once we had it started the Government had to make it Mandatory but it is NOT government run.

You're statement is laughable Big Muddy.

From the CCIA website:

"The Canadian Cattle Identification Program makes traceback and containment of serious animal health and food safety problems faster and more efficient, which helps keep customers buying Canadian beef and cattle.

This program is regulated and enforced by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA)."

CFIA is not "GOVERNMENT"? :???: :???:

No, BMR, you got duped into a system for bse surveillance that the producers pay for. BSE was a problem the packers made and you call it a victory that producers have had to pay for it.

Your ID program was something that allows the packers to ship untested beef from Canada and that producers pay for, not packers.

You really have a funny definition of what you think is "superior".
 

cowsense

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Mike; You'd better do some more research; CCIA is a producer initiative; is paid for by producers and run by an elected board from the entire industry right from producers to feedlots, market operators and processors. CFIA does handle the enforcement and the regulatory requirements which were needed and requested by industry were put into legislation under CFIA's mandate.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Econ101 said:
Mike said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
You see ECON that's what makes Canada so superior. The industry started the CCIA. The industry has lead the way on our M'ID. Once we had it started the Government had to make it Mandatory but it is NOT government run.

You're statement is laughable Big Muddy.

From the CCIA website:

"The Canadian Cattle Identification Program makes traceback and containment of serious animal health and food safety problems faster and more efficient, which helps keep customers buying Canadian beef and cattle.

This program is regulated and enforced by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA)."

CFIA is not "GOVERNMENT"? :???: :???:

No, BMR, you got duped into a system for bse surveillance that the producers pay for. BSE was a problem the packers made and you call it a victory that producers have had to pay for it.

Your ID program was something that allows the packers to ship untested beef from Canada and that producers pay for, not packers.

You really have a funny definition of what you think is "superior".


Econ we had a working system up and running BEFORE BSE shut down our borders. It's a little thing called being PROACTIVE[/
 
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Anonymous

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Sandcheska: "I think the USDA realized they were in a pickle, and not wanting to jeapordize their border policy, they want back to Swift and said, "We have to come up with a story and both agree to it""

Of course you do because that's WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE! Since when has the facts of what actually happened ever mattered to a conspiring minded R-CULTer like you?

"PRESUMPTION OF GUILT", that's how you conspiracy theorists operate on each and every issue. FACTS BE DAMNED!


~SH~
 

Bill

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PORKER said:
Bill are you accountable for your cattle that you handle? If I bought some from you , could I have all your records on just those animals and or their products or would you not tell me.

Yes I am accountable for my cattle. Stupid question to ask any rancher worth his salt!

No you could not have access to all my records and that would make me no different than the majority of Canadian AND American produsers here.
 

PORKER

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Bill;No you could not have access to all my records and that would make me no different than the majority of Canadian AND American produsers here.

Bill ,My question was on the cattle you sell me,not the whole herd of yours.
I wouldn't want all cattle records,just the one's you sold me. This is invasion of privacy with wanting access to all of your records. This is the reason most databases are BAD,they were designed to tap all info such as benchmarking,there is no privacy. That's why the SSI database is encrypted on every line of data. Not even SSI can see anything. If you are in doubt ,Call Mr. Kanitz .So Bill would you let me have all the data records on just the animals I bought from you?
 

Sandhusker

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~SH~ said:
Sandcheska: "I think the USDA realized they were in a pickle, and not wanting to jeapordize their border policy, they want back to Swift and said, "We have to come up with a story and both agree to it""

Of course you do because that's WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE! Since when has the facts of what actually happened ever mattered to a conspiring minded R-CULTer like you?

"PRESUMPTION OF GUILT", that's how you conspiracy theorists operate on each and every issue. FACTS BE DAMNED!


~SH~

The facts are that before the USDA was called in, Swift told Van Dyke's that they could account for all their own Canadian cattle and that the ones in question came in on Van Dyke's load.
 

PORKER

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Swift told Van Dyke's that they could account for all their own Canadian cattle and that the ones in question came in on Van Dyke's load. This has been documented to high heaven . I still want the OIG to check on USDA statements !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Coverup it is!!!!!!!!!!!
 

cowsense

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Sandhusker and Porkear; Perhaps you could jointly enrol in a reading comprehension remedial course. While it maybe suits your twisted political aims there is no conspiracy; no smuggled cattle and NO issue beyond the simple clerical mistake at Swift. I've posted several times now that it's a proven fact by Canadian authorities that those tags were never in the US until admitted for slaughter :!: WHAT PART OF THAT CAN'T YOU COMPREHEND!
 
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Anonymous

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cowsense said:
I've posted several times now that it's a proven fact by Canadian authorities that those tags were never in the US until admitted for slaughter :!: WHAT PART OF THAT CAN'T YOU COMPREHEND!

cowsense-- Would you please post the official CFIA or Canadian authorities announcement concerning this... I believe I missed it....
 

PORKER

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Cowsense ,Which Tags?????? I've posted several times now that it's a proven fact by Canadian authorities that those tags were never in the US until admitted for slaughter. Which Tags ,The one with Horn on it From 2005-6
 

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