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Van Dyke; What I think

cowsense

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All CCIA tags have a unique number for each animal that is used once and retired. The questioned tags were part of the load of slaughter cattle that were exported for harvest on Nov 29/06! How much plainer can that be!
 
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Anonymous

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cowsense said:
All CCIA tags have a unique number for each animal that is used once and retired. The questioned tags were part of the load of slaughter cattle that were exported for harvest on Nov 29/06! How much plainer can that be!

I keep hearing that rumor--but I still haven't seen anything official from CFIA or any Canadian authority that I can remember...
 

S.S.A.P.

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Oldtimer said:
cowsense said:
I've posted several times now that it's a proven fact by Canadian authorities that those tags were never in the US until admitted for slaughter :!: WHAT PART OF THAT CAN'T YOU COMPREHEND!

cowsense-- Would you please post the official CFIA or Canadian authorities announcement concerning this... I believe I missed it....

Is this gentleman's word good enough or are you suggesting that the South Dakota State Animal Industry Board are also part of the USDA/Swift plot?

"South Dakota State Veterinarian: Sam D. Holland, DVM"
Holland said. "The records that are available now surely indicate that these were indeed fat cattle from Canada delivered direct to the plant."

Those records include a health certificate from a private veterinarian in Canada, an endorsement by Canadian officials, verification at the border and sealed records shipped with the cattle to the Swift plant. Holland said the paper trail leading from Canada directly to the Nebraska plant "appears pretty irrefutable."

Oldtimer - here is his contact information - ask him
South Dakota State Animal Industry Board
http://www.state.sd.us/aib/importrequirements.htm
 

PORKER

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Last few Questions Cowsense,

How many Mapleleaf tags were RFID and How Many were Barcoded and how many had been written on with a tag marker?????????????????????Were these tags From Alberta?
 
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Anonymous

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S.S.A.P. said:
Oldtimer said:
cowsense said:
I've posted several times now that it's a proven fact by Canadian authorities that those tags were never in the US until admitted for slaughter :!: WHAT PART OF THAT CAN'T YOU COMPREHEND!

cowsense-- Would you please post the official CFIA or Canadian authorities announcement concerning this... I believe I missed it....

Is this gentleman's word good enough or are you suggesting that the South Dakota State Animal Industry Board are also part of the USDA/Swift plot?

"South Dakota State Veterinarian: Sam D. Holland, DVM"
Holland said. "The records that are available now surely indicate that these were indeed fat cattle from Canada delivered direct to the plant."

Those records include a health certificate from a private veterinarian in Canada, an endorsement by Canadian officials, verification at the border and sealed records shipped with the cattle to the Swift plant. Holland said the paper trail leading from Canada directly to the Nebraska plant "appears pretty irrefutable."

Oldtimer - here is his contact information - ask him
South Dakota State Animal Industry Board
http://www.state.sd.us/aib/importrequirements.htm

Problem is is that he is a US official--that if he said something that disagreed with what USDA wants to hear could be out of an occupation tomorrow- as without USDA certification these guys can't work...

I want to see the Canadian authorities announcement.....
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
S.S.A.P. said:
Oldtimer said:
cowsense-- Would you please post the official CFIA or Canadian authorities announcement concerning this... I believe I missed it....

Is this gentleman's word good enough or are you suggesting that the South Dakota State Animal Industry Board are also part of the USDA/Swift plot?

"South Dakota State Veterinarian: Sam D. Holland, DVM"
Holland said. "The records that are available now surely indicate that these were indeed fat cattle from Canada delivered direct to the plant."

Those records include a health certificate from a private veterinarian in Canada, an endorsement by Canadian officials, verification at the border and sealed records shipped with the cattle to the Swift plant. Holland said the paper trail leading from Canada directly to the Nebraska plant "appears pretty irrefutable."

Oldtimer - here is his contact information - ask him
South Dakota State Animal Industry Board
http://www.state.sd.us/aib/importrequirements.htm

Problem is is that he is a US official--that if he said something that disagreed with what USDA wants to hear could be out of an occupation tomorrow- as without USDA certification these guys can't work...

I want to see the Canadian authorities announcement.....
Oldtimer Dr Sam Holland is known for his critizing of the USDA so what makes you think this issue would be any different? :roll:

My source is not connected to the USDA in any way AND this is what he told me about the issue.
On Jan 22, CFIA told me that they had reported to USDA on Jan 19 that the tags belonged to fat cattle legally exported from Canada on Nov 28. The fats were transported in a sealed truck directly to the Swift plant in Nebraska.

Now are you calling this Canadian source a liar too Oldtimer. :x
 
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Anonymous

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Why won't CFIA or anyone from the Canadian government give out an official announcement?
Kind of like why has USDA been so quiet?

Sure makes you wonder.......
 

S.S.A.P.

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Oldtimer said:
S.S.A.P. said:
Oldtimer said:
cowsense-- Would you please post the official CFIA or Canadian authorities announcement concerning this... I believe I missed it....

Is this gentleman's word good enough or are you suggesting that the South Dakota State Animal Industry Board are also part of the USDA/Swift plot?

"South Dakota State Veterinarian: Sam D. Holland, DVM"
Holland said. "The records that are available now surely indicate that these were indeed fat cattle from Canada delivered direct to the plant."

Those records include a health certificate from a private veterinarian in Canada, an endorsement by Canadian officials, verification at the border and sealed records shipped with the cattle to the Swift plant. Holland said the paper trail leading from Canada directly to the Nebraska plant "appears pretty irrefutable."

Oldtimer - here is his contact information - ask him
South Dakota State Animal Industry Board
http://www.state.sd.us/aib/importrequirements.htm

Problem is is that he is a US official--that if he said something that disagreed with what USDA wants to hear could be out of an occupation tomorrow- as without USDA certification these guys can't work...

I want to see the Canadian authorities announcement.....

Phone and ask them - here's a 1-800 number

CFIA National Headquarters
1-800-442-2342

http://pub.directinfo.agr.gc.ca/cgi-bin/x500_OrgUnitDet?lang=0&DN=OU=CFIA-ACIA,O=gc,C=ca
 

S.S.A.P.

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Oldtimer said:
Problem is is that he is a US official--that if he said something that disagreed with what USDA wants to hear could be out of an occupation tomorrow

Oh - now I get it Oldtimer! You are applying r-calf standards to all officials!

  • Problem is is that he (Chuck Kiker) is a R-CALF official--that if he (Kiker)said something that disagreed with what R-CALF wants to hear could be out of an occupation tomorrow
:shock: :???: not could be, but IS ! :eek:

Sure makes you wonder.......
 

Sandhusker

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cowsense said:
All CCIA tags have a unique number for each animal that is used once and retired. The questioned tags were part of the load of slaughter cattle that were exported for harvest on Nov 29/06! How much plainer can that be!

That's not what Swift told the Van Dykes.
 

cowsense

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OT- The investigation was completed quite a while ago; the only probable holdup is that USDA is still trying to verify the accuracy of the allegations made by all the R-calf cheerleaders. It must be quite a job trying to do an investigation when everyone makes allegations but no-one has any proof of the supposed incident. Makes you wonder what kind of operation those LMA operators run when they can't even back trace a few head of sale cattle out of their salebarns! Or is it that they won't because it'll show the truth and that would be counterproductive to their smear campaign!
 

mwj

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Sandhusker said:
cowsense said:
All CCIA tags have a unique number for each animal that is used once and retired. The questioned tags were part of the load of slaughter cattle that were exported for harvest on Nov 29/06! How much plainer can that be!

That's not what Swift told the Van Dykes.


Did they make an official anouncement or is it just a rumor :wink: Check with OT if you donot have a press release it does not count.
 

cowsense

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PORKER said:
Last few Questions Cowsense,

How many Mapleleaf tags were RFID and How Many were Barcoded and how many had been written on with a tag marker?????????????????????Were these tags From Alberta?

:???: What difference does it make whether they were RFID or barcodes and any writing is insignifigant! Each animal is tagged with a unique number that is retired at slaughter or export! Seeing as how you know so much explain how two sets of cattle can arrive at a plant on the same day wearing the same numbers! Simple isn't it.....................It's impossible!
 

Kato

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For anyone here who has not been personally involved in the export of slaughter cattle, this is how it works.

1. The cattle are assembled for export.

2. An independent Canadian veterinarian, who has been certified as being qualified by the CFIA, comes and inspects the cattle. This involves mouthing each animal individually for age, recording the description and CCIA tag number, as well as any other tags the cattle may be wearing. (Including some that had HORN written on them) Heifers are preg checked. Any animal that is even remotely close to being unqualified for export is rejected. This is taken very seriously because the vet who approves an unqualified animal will lose his/her accreditation. The papers are even filled in with the CCIA numbers in numerical order.

3. If an unacceptably high number of animals in a load are disqualified, the vet packs up and goes home, and the whole load is rejected right at the source.

4. Vet signs papers. They are then sealed in an envelope and taken to the CFIA vet who also checks, signs and endorses papers. CFIA keeps a copy. Two copies go with the truck, one to be left with the USDA vet at the border. One copy stays with the cattle.

5. Cattle are loaded, and the truck is sealed, right down to the escape doors. Trucker proceeds to the border, following the route laid out on the export papers.

6. USDA vet inspects paperwork, opens truck, inspects and scans tags, and reseals truck. Any errors in transcribing numbers, or filling in the export papers, and the load goes back.

7. Truck proceeds to slaughter plant, following the route laid out on the papers.

8. Truck is opened at the plant by a person designated as being qualified and certified to do so.

Swift's had a copy of the papers. Someone there was asleep at the wheel if they couldn't figure out where those cattle came from. All they had to do was look at the papers that the truckers delivered with the cattle. The numbers were even listed on the papers in order.

How this turned into a big USDA coverup makes no sense at all. All the paperwork necessary to figure it out were right there on someone's desk at that plant.

It was a matter of the packer messing up. Not the Canadians. Not the USDA.
 

Sandhusker

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But Kato, Swift told Van Dykes that they accounted for all their Canadian cattle. Judging from the procedures you have laid out, that makes perfect sense - they should of been able to do exactly that very quickly.

What doesn't make sense is that after the USDA came in, and after 47 days, they changed their story...
 

Kato

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That's the sixty four thousand dollar question. :!:

But USDA coverup is not part of it. Neither is Canadian wrongdoing.
 

Sandhusker

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Kato said:
That's the sixty four thousand dollar question. :!:

But USDA coverup is not part of it. Neither is Canadian wrongdoing.

The USDA has done it before, several times recently, in fact. What makes you think they're above it this time?
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
Kato said:
That's the sixty four thousand dollar question. :!:

But USDA coverup is not part of it. Neither is Canadian wrongdoing.

The USDA has done it before, several times recently, in fact. What makes you think they're above it this time?

The question is HAS THE CFIA done it? You see the USDA was not the only ones that investigated those numbers. The CFIA and the vets on the Canadian side confirmed those cattle left Canada on NOV 28 on a sealed truck headed for the Swift plant. Do you have any proof that the CFIA has been caught covering up anything about BSE?
 

Kato

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I've been giving this some thought, and a light came on. :!:

We've been making the switch to RFID tags here. The rules are that all cattle will be needing RFID, but that it is also illegal to remove the old bar code tags. Therefore every load that we ever processed since the new tags came on the scene contained a number of cattle that were double tagged. We would record one number under the column for CCIA numbers, and list the other number in the comments/description column.

Now, that means that there would be a certain number of "extra" tags with each load of cattle. They are never in the same ear. Add that to perhaps inexperience workers at the plant, who don't know that, and office people who didn't think to look for extra tag numbers in the description column, and a mixup is possible. :!: Hopefully an honest mixup, and not something deliberate. :shock:

Add to that the panic factor when said empolyees saw they screwed up on Canadian cattle, and you can see why no one wants to step up and take responsibility.
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Kato said:
That's the sixty four thousand dollar question. :!:

But USDA coverup is not part of it. Neither is Canadian wrongdoing.

The USDA has done it before, several times recently, in fact. What makes you think they're above it this time?

The question is HAS THE CFIA done it? You see the USDA was not the only ones that investigated those numbers. The CFIA and the vets on the Canadian side confirmed those cattle left Canada on NOV 28 on a sealed truck headed for the Swift plant. Do you have any proof that the CFIA has been caught covering up anything about BSE?

They know that SOME cattle crossed the border. They don't have to be involved in a coverup - how do they know the tags they are being asked to verify are the ones from the cattle in question?
 

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