Sandhusker said:They know that SOME cattle crossed the border. They don't have to be involved in a coverup - how do they know the tags they are being asked to verify are the ones from the cattle in question?
DiamondSCattleCo said:Sandhusker, they know which tags crossed the border. The CCIA numbers are recorded, and these numbers are unique. No two tags the same and the tags cannot be removed from one animal and placed in another animals ear.
Rod
DiamondSCattleCo said:Sandhusker said:They know that SOME cattle crossed the border. They don't have to be involved in a coverup - how do they know the tags they are being asked to verify are the ones from the cattle in question?
Sandhusker, they know which tags crossed the border. The CCIA numbers are recorded, and these numbers are unique. No two tags the same and the tags cannot be removed from one animal and placed in another animals ear.
Rod
Oldtimer said:Wanna Bet? Anything made by man can be counterfeited...Ear tags as develaped so far , for purpose of ownership or identification would not stand up to 5 minutes of cross examination by any two bit attorney....
DiamondSCattleCo said:Oldtimer said:Wanna Bet? Anything made by man can be counterfeited...Ear tags as develaped so far , for purpose of ownership or identification would not stand up to 5 minutes of cross examination by any two bit attorney....
C'mon OT, do you really believe someone would take all that time, effort and energy for 7 lousy animals? And to what gain? Are Canadian cattle really that much better than US that its worth it to get some kind of premium? If thats the case, I'd best inform the buyers up here who are buying US animals by the thousands....
Rod
DiamondSCattleCo said:Oldtimer said:Wanna Bet? Anything made by man can be counterfeited...Ear tags as develaped so far , for purpose of ownership or identification would not stand up to 5 minutes of cross examination by any two bit attorney....
C'mon OT, do you really believe someone would take all that time, effort and energy for 7 lousy animals? And to what gain? Are Canadian cattle really that much better than US that its worth it to get some kind of premium? If thats the case, I'd best inform the buyers up here who are buying US animals by the thousands....
Rod
Oldtimer said:DiamondSCattleCo said:Oldtimer said:Wanna Bet? Anything made by man can be counterfeited...Ear tags as develaped so far , for purpose of ownership or identification would not stand up to 5 minutes of cross examination by any two bit attorney....
C'mon OT, do you really believe someone would take all that time, effort and energy for 7 lousy animals? And to what gain? Are Canadian cattle really that much better than US that its worth it to get some kind of premium? If thats the case, I'd best inform the buyers up here who are buying US animals by the thousands....
Rod
Was there 7 or 70? Swift said 8--Did another 60 got to another owner that caught them and removed them--or to a plant that didn't catch them? But the point I'm trying to make is that those tags prove nothing-- you could have duplicate numbers whatever...Tags (as they exist today) are worthless for proving ownership and that is the reason they are not accepted by any state that I know of for that purpose....
And if there is a buck to be found doing it illegally- someone will think of it....Anything made by man can be counterfieited or altered--or removed or added-- sometimes quite simply....
I hope USDA was bright enough to look at all the Canadian tags killed that day and just not those 7 or 8 or whatever...
Oldtimer said:Try your rebranding mwj-- brands can be "aged" to tell if they were altered or which was first...But I wouldn't expect someone from Chicago with a Jersey milk cow for an avatar to know that :roll: :wink: :lol:
mwj said:Oldtimer said:Try your rebranding mwj-- brands can be "aged" to tell if they were altered or which was first...But I wouldn't expect someone from Chicago with a Jersey milk cow for an avatar to know that :roll: :wink: :lol:
Why are you talking about rebranding that was not mentioned was it. You also forgot to tell us the easy way to make those tags. I am glad to hear that in the history of the state of Montana there has never been a case where an inspector made a mistake or a brand was misrepresented. All you have to do is sell them to the packer because I heard on this board that packers do not check brands. Which way do you want to have it OT the packers are not going to check brands or they check by aging? Have any idea what that swift plants use? I had really hoped you would not recognise the poor breed character of the cow![]()
mwj said:So how many swift plants are there in Montana OT? How long are those hides available for reinspection when they go in the hide room of a large plant. What size of Montana plants are you talking about 2-5000 head a day? Since you admit that your system (brands) does not work what would the system be that you would stand behind?
And I have spent days going thru stacks of stinking hides trying to find one when a question arose....It can be and has been done...
TimH said:Hey Festus!!! How did you match the carcass to the "stinking hide"????