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Van Dyke; What I think

PORKER

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And it still shows my point- that eartags alone, with the technology that now exists, are worthless for proving ownership..... Sorry Oldtimer, I will take issue with that statement as www.scoringag.com tracks every movement of any enitity in real time including the gps of every read of every tag as the technology now exisits. Anyone going to Tularie's World Ag Expo in Ca. can check out the demo at the I.D.ology booth
 
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PORKER said:
And it still shows my point- that eartags alone, with the technology that now exists, are worthless for proving ownership..... Sorry Oldtimer, I will take issue with that statement as www.scoringag.com tracks every movement of any enitity in real time including the gps of every read of every tag as the technology now exisits. Anyone going to Tularie's World Ag Expo in Ca. can check out the demo at the I.D.ology booth

So your saying that if I corraled 10 of your black calves that were no brands-- cut out your scoringag tag and thru them on the floor of a Texas bound bullhauler-- stuck my old ranch tag in-- hauled them to the sale with mine, that they would be able to ID your cattle and say they were yours :???:

Bull Puckey
 

TimH

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Oldtimer said:
TimH said:
Hey Festus!!! How did you match the carcass to the "stinking hide"????

The same way you match the carcass to the "stinking little tag"... :roll:

:D :D I don't think so, Festus...... but just in case I'm wrong, why don't you go ahead and explain how you match a brand,"days" later, to a swinging carcass, a package of steaks or a tray of offal, and then I'll tell you if it is the done the same way as matching a unique ID number or digital code to those things. I'm pretty sure that Porker could tell you if it was different as well. :D
 
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TimH said:
Oldtimer said:
TimH said:
Hey Festus!!! How did you match the carcass to the "stinking hide"????

The same way you match the carcass to the "stinking little tag"... :roll:

:D :D I don't think so, Festus...... but just in case I'm wrong, why don't you go ahead and explain how you match a brand,"days" later, to a swinging carcass, a package of steaks or a tray of offal, and then I'll tell you if it is the done the same way as matching a unique ID number or digital code to those things. I'm pretty sure that Porker could tell you if it was different as well. :D

Each hide tag and each brand inspection certificate has a unique ID number too--all you need is for them to be the same or cross referenced to your carcass number...Like I said a system...
 

PORKER

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So your saying that if I corraled 10 of your black calves that were no brands-- cut out your scoringag tag and thru them on the floor of a Texas bound bullhauler-- stuck my old ranch tag in-- hauled them to the sale with mine, that they would be able to ID your cattle and say they were yours

Bull Puckey---- Road Apples, Yes
While you were cutting out the Ear Rings you forgot that
I had RFID boluses in the second stomach on each of those critters when we weaned the baldies.

The MaGiix bolus is a rumen transponder utilizing microchip RFID technology to provide:

Automatic, accurate sensing of body temperature, and Permanent, tamper-proof RFID animal identification.

Temperature accuracy is within 0.2 deg. F, enabling detection of sickness and physiologic cycles.
 
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PORKER said:
So your saying that if I corraled 10 of your black calves that were no brands-- cut out your scoringag tag and thru them on the floor of a Texas bound bullhauler-- stuck my old ranch tag in-- hauled them to the sale with mine, that they would be able to ID your cattle and say they were yours

Bull Puckey---- Road Apples, Yes
While you were cutting out the Ear Rings you forgot that
I had RFID boluses in the second stomach on each of those critters when we weaned the baldies.

The MaGiix bolus is a rumen transponder utilizing microchip RFID technology to provide:

Automatic, accurate sensing of body temperature, and Permanent, tamper-proof RFID animal identification.

Temperature accuracy is within 0.2 deg. F, enabling detection of sickness and physiologic cycles.

But no one around here even has a reader that I'm aware of--let alone one that tells them if their cow is chilly or warm (hell I ain't even got that in my house since the indoor thermometer broke)- so I think I'll be pretty safe....
 

Kato

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The LACK of brands indicates animals shipped directly for slaughter. The LACK of a brand indicates these were not feeders run through a sale barn.

Turning a packing house screwup on some slaughter cattle into a scandal involving feeders at a sale barn is simply grasping at straws.

Again, the LACK of brands confirms it. :!:
 

Maple Leaf Angus

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Oldtimer said:
....But usually if there was a foul up you knew about it within hours and could do the backtracking-- and you always had the initial paper work of the first inspection...


Hey there tin star, you must have mistakenly used the word "usually". To be consistent in your argument, you certainly must have meant to say "always".


Or where there times when the "unusual" happened and you didn't discover a foul up until the hide was too deep in the pile?
 
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Anonymous

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Maple Leaf Angus said:
Oldtimer said:
....But usually if there was a foul up you knew about it within hours and could do the backtracking-- and you always had the initial paper work of the first inspection...


Hey there tin star, you must have mistakenly used the word "usually". To be consistent in your argument, you certainly must have meant to say "always".


Or where there times when the "unusual" happened and you didn't discover a foul up until the hide was too deep in the plie?

As long as the pile was still there-- there was no such thing as too deep....
 

PORKER

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I say all cattle coming across the border either direction have the MaGiix bolus since it is a rumen transponder utilizing microchip RFID technology. and it can't be counterfieted ,taken out or changed and if in a good SSI database ,can be looked up within three seconds to know its full ownership traceback .
 

cowsense

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PORKER said:
I say all cattle coming across the border either direction have the MaGiix bolus since it is a rumen transponder utilizing microchip RFID technology. and it can't be counterfieted ,taken out or changed and if in a good SSI database ,can be looked up within three seconds to know its full ownership traceback .

Surprise....Surprise: YOU'VE DELIBERATELY HELPED PROLONG THIS BOGUS DISCUSSION IN AN UNDERHANDED ATTEMPT TO PROMOTE THE COMPANY THAT YOU WORK FOR! YOUR BUSINESS AND MORAL ETHICS LEAVE A LOT TO BE DESIRED. ONE THING IS CERTAIN NOW........YOUR COMPANY WILL NEVER DO ANY WORK WITH CATTLE ID IN CANADA!!!
 

PORKER

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YOUR COMPANY WILL NEVER DO ANY WORK WITH CATTLE ID IN CANADA!!!
Sorry,cowsense but they have been there quite a while doing lots of other business .
 

Econ101

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Porker, I have a question about your RFID products. Is the database on the RFID itself, or in the computer of the owner and the RFID only tells which data goes with that animal?

I would have concerns about RFID where all the information was on the RFID product with no way of protecting the previous owner's private data. When a packer buys an animal, unless they negotiate for the private information, they shouldn't have access to it. Please tell us about your product in this regard. Thanks in advance.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Econ101 said:
Porker, I have a question about your RFID products. Is the database on the RFID itself, or in the computer of the owner and the RFID only tells which data goes with that animal?

I would have concerns about RFID where all the information was on the RFID product with no way of protecting the previous owner's private data. When a packer buys an animal, unless they negotiate for the private information, they shouldn't have access to it. Please tell us about your product in this regard. Thanks in advance.
FYI ,Econ in Canada all that is on the tag is the unique number. The secure CCIA data base hold the information.
 

Econ101

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Econ101 said:
Porker, I have a question about your RFID products. Is the database on the RFID itself, or in the computer of the owner and the RFID only tells which data goes with that animal?

I would have concerns about RFID where all the information was on the RFID product with no way of protecting the previous owner's private data. When a packer buys an animal, unless they negotiate for the private information, they shouldn't have access to it. Please tell us about your product in this regard. Thanks in advance.
FYI ,Econ in Canada all that is on the tag is the unique number. The secure CCIA data base hold the information.
t
Thanks, BMR. Don't you think Van Dyke should have been able to get those tag numbers and be able to track it to the border by himself?

Too bad Swift had complete control of those animals and then decided to only give pictures back to the man.
 

PORKER

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Econ 101 , tell me the owner of these RFID tagged cattle by putting in these codes in the search RFID engine on the ScoringAg home page.
982009101293378 or this one 977000002342702 or this horse,
AVID 738 785 141 and this one 985120022951563 .You can't pull any info on the owner and you can not see any herd info ,pure encrypted safety from being exposed or hacked.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Econ101 said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Econ101 said:
Porker, I have a question about your RFID products. Is the database on the RFID itself, or in the computer of the owner and the RFID only tells which data goes with that animal?

I would have concerns about RFID where all the information was on the RFID product with no way of protecting the previous owner's private data. When a packer buys an animal, unless they negotiate for the private information, they shouldn't have access to it. Please tell us about your product in this regard. Thanks in advance.
FYI ,Econ in Canada all that is on the tag is the unique number. The secure CCIA data base hold the information.
t
Thanks, BMR. Don't you think Van Dyke should have been able to get those tag numbers and be able to track it to the border by himself?

Too bad Swift had complete control of those animals and then decided to only give pictures back to the man.

He said he had the picture of the tags. So until he tells us differently he could have had the numbers.
 

PORKER

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Bmr, I think that the Canadian tags on VanDykes cattle would have been the older Barcoded tags , and not the Newer RFID button tags from Allflex ,so it would be hard to read without a barcode reader. Only Swift would have had a reader to give a set of numbers.

Here is a RFID tag number that can be searched in the ScoringAg search engine 804000000045821 for a steer. If those tags were the older Canadian barcodes , they would only find the farm of origin ,not where the animal had been if those numbers were passed to the CFIA for searching.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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PORKER said:
Bmr, I think that the Canadian tags on VanDykes cattle would have been the older Barcoded tags , and not the Newer RFID button tags from Allflex ,so it would be hard to read without a barcode reader. Only Swift would have had a reader to give a set of numbers.

Here is a RFID tag number that can be searched in the ScoringAg search engine 804000000045821 for a steer. If those tags were the older Canadian barcodes , they would only find the farm of origin ,not where the animal had been if those numbers were passed to the CFIA for searching.


Porker on the older bar code tags the number is larger then the bar code and just beneath the bar code. I will admit they could have been dirty but usually the plant washes them if they have to read them.
 

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