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Vets to pay for thier own medical !!

jigs

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I can’t verify this article so take it as unsubstantiated. However, the nickname “Fraudbama” is a dandy!

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Subject: OBAMA IS SURPRISED VETS DON'T WANT TO PAY THEIR OWN MEDICAL
by William Heller

ABC


This the most ridiculous thing you ever heard? Read Fraudbama’s quote below. The man is a lunatic!! Assume it to be just another "change" the stupid voters of the USA made by electing him and then watch as he selects crooked and dishonest people to serve in his cabinet!! When will our equally inept senators and legislators stop this neophyte??

HERE IS HIS RESPONSE WHEN HE BACKED OFF FROM HIS DECISION TO LET THE MILITARY PAY FOR THEIR WAR INJURIES.

Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon Stewart, led to USURPER Fraudbama abandoning his proposal to require veterans' private health insurance to cover the estimated $540 million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for injuries to military personnel received during their tours on active duty.

Fraudbama admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the opposition to his proposal. "Look, it's an all volunteer force," Fraudbama complained. "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It doesn't compute.....I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for their country," Fraudbama continued. "I wasn't asking for blood – just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans.

WHAT A STUPID, UNCOMPREHENDING IDIOT we have to deal with for the next four years!
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
:agree:

Where is his grateful heart for those who would give their life
for their country?

Answer: It's filled with arrogance and entitlements.
 

kolanuraven

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This is old news....there were stories about this last summer


guest1....are some how linking 'jigs' to sheep????????? :wink:
 

Mike

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I have a hard time believing Zer0 floated this trial balloon to start with. :roll:


updated 10:32 p.m. EDT, Wed March 18, 2009



From Adam Levine
CNN


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Obama administration is abandoning a controversial plan to charge private insurers for treatment of veterans' service-connected ailments.


White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel met with veterans' groups on Wednesday.

In an statement Wednesday night, the White House said that although the president believes the plan would raise more money for veterans' care, the administration is dropping the idea after hearing the objections of veterans groups.

"The President listened to concerns raised by the VSOs [veterans service organizations] that this might, under certain circumstances, affect veterans and their families' ability to access health care," the White House said. "Therefore, the president has instructed that its consideration be dropped."

News of the change of heart originally came from Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, who disclosed the decision to reporters while meeting with a group of veterans on Capitol Hill.

"President Obama has listened to the concerns expressed by veterans' leaders and veterans' service organizations," Pelosi said. "We will leave no veteran behind."

Veterans' representatives and members of Congress have angrily opposed the proposal, which White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said was never finalized.

Leaders from 11 veterans groups discussed their position in a meeting Wednesday afternoon with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

"We stood firm on our stance that there is no way to support charging veterans' insurance companies for service-connected treatment," said Jim King, executive director of AMVETS, a leading veterans' advocacy organization.

Emanuel indicated that the proposal was "a dead issue," King added. "The administration was quick to say [that if veterans were] going to fight it, [the White House wasn't] going to push it."

Another attendee, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America Executive Director Paul Rieckhoff, said Emanuel was quick to come back after hearing the veterans' groups stand firm and tell them, "Let's clarify, it is dead."

"They made the right move -- they listened to us. Now we can move on to bigger more important issues," Rieckhoff said.

The meeting was very short, said King. Despite the difference in opinion, King said the atmosphere was cordial and "everybody seemed comfortable."

On Monday, the groups met with President Obama, Emanuel, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki and Steven Kosiak, director in charge of defense spending for the Office of Management and Budget.

The administration saw the plan as a way of raising more than $500 million in revenues for the Department of Veterans Affairs. However, veterans groups saw it is a violation of what they said is the government's moral obligation to treat veterans injured during service to their country.

In addition, they believed it would lead to veterans and their families losing their private insurance or premiums rising because of the high costs of treating many service-related injuries.

The head of the Senate Veterans Affairs committee, Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii, said Tuesday his committee would "not advance any such legislation."

His counterpart in the House, Bob Filner, D-California, said his committee wouldn't take up the proposal either. In a statement released by his office, Filner said the idea is "DOA" and said the budget "cannot be balanced on the backs (or legs, or kidneys, or hearts) of our nation's combat-wounded heroes."

The president pushed back during the meeting on Monday, telling the groups that private insurance companies were getting a free ride. He challenged the veterans to come up with an alternative way to raise revenues.

AMVETS planned to propose that billings be pursued more aggressively for injuries not related to service.

But AMVETS director King said Emanuel didn't ask for suggestions in Wednesday's meeting.

A 2008 Government Accountability Office study found that about $1.7 billion in treatment that could have been charged to private insurance never was, nor was it collected by the VA.
 

jigs

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well, not being a trust fund baby, I have to actually work for my money, so I can not sit on here and catch everything in a timely manner.

as for guest !, her opinion means very little to me. 90 % of her posts are nothing more than insults. however, the ignorance is right up there with OT and Malice
 

Steve

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kolanuraven said:
This is old news....there were stories about this last summer


last summer?

In an statement Wednesday night, the White House said that although the president believes the plan would raise more money for veterans' care, the administration is dropping the idea after hearing the objections of veterans groups.
 

Steve

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guest1 said:
That article is comlete BS. Saying that would be political suicide. Just use your computer to play solitare you weak minded sheepish little prick.


Hmmmm,.. seems Obama thought so as well so he caved,..

The administration saw the plan as a way of raising more than $500 million in revenues for the Department of Veterans Affairs.
 

kolanuraven

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Steve said:
guest1 said:
That article is comlete BS. Saying that would be political suicide. Just use your computer to play solitare you weak minded sheepish little prick.


Hmmmm,.. seems Obama thought so as well so he caved,..

The administration saw the plan as a way of raising more than $500 million in revenues for the Department of Veterans Affairs.


Yes, there was a story linked to the Walter Reed incident about a young man who was issued a bill.....while he was in his 3rd tour in Iraq.....for a injury to his shoulder during his 2nd tour.


Now, if you think I'm gonna spend half a day looking it up....NO


If you want to spend half a day trying to look it all up and discredit me....fine...go for it.
 

hopalong

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kolanuraven said:
Steve said:
guest1 said:
That article is comlete BS. Saying that would be political suicide. Just use your computer to play solitare you weak minded sheepish little prick.


Hmmmm,.. seems Obama thought so as well so he caved,..

The administration saw the plan as a way of raising more than $500 million in revenues for the Department of Veterans Affairs.


Yes, there was a story linked to the Walter Reed incident about a young man who was issued a bill.....while he was in his 3rd tour in Iraq.....for a injury to his shoulder during his 2nd tour.


Now, if you think I'm gonna spend half a day looking it up....NO


If you want to spend half a day trying to look it all up and discredit me....fine...go for it.

No need to spend anytime looking anything up top discredit you!!!
You do a much better job of that with every post you make!
 

Steve

Well-known member
guest1 said:
That article is comlete BS. Saying that would be political suicide. Just use your computer to play solitare you weak minded sheepish little prick.


Steve said:
Hmmmm,.. seems Obama thought so as well so he caved,..

The administration saw the plan as a way of raising more than $500 million in revenues for the Department of Veterans Affairs.


kolanuraven said:
Yes, there was a story linked to the Walter Reed incident about a young man who was issued a bill.....while he was in his 3rd tour in Iraq.....for a injury to his shoulder during his 2nd tour.


Now, if you think I'm gonna spend half a day looking it up....NO


If you want to spend half a day trying to look it all up and discredit me....fine...go for it.

I would like to point out that Kola's response posted above appears to be to guest1's ignorant comment,and not to my response to guest 1's ignorant comment.. .
 

Steve

Well-known member
hopalong said:
kolanuraven said:
Steve said:
Hmmmm,.. seems Obama thought so as well so he caved,..


Yes, there was a story linked to the Walter Reed incident about a young man who was issued a bill.....while he was in his 3rd tour in Iraq.....for a injury to his shoulder during his 2nd tour.


Now, if you think I'm gonna spend half a day looking it up....NO


If you want to spend half a day trying to look it all up and discredit me....fine...go for it.

No need to spend anytime looking anything up top discredit you!!!
You do a much better job of that with every post you make!

Hoppy, if you read Kola's post and all the threads you will see that she is not questioning the article, only the timelessness and is even reinforcing the original articles main point, but due to the way posts are quoted it appears as if she is in rebuttal to it.. but clearly the words she wrote are not..

so in effect the only clueless person is guest1.. and I am not sure how guests act out in where he/sheis from, , but where I am from.. and even in the liberal north east.. acting ignorant spewing insults and being clueless quickly makes a person an unwelcome guest.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
On the same issue-- one thing I did hear come out of the Health Care Forum- by Dems and Repubs both- is that when they start tackling the health care cost issue- EVERYTHING is on the table...
And one thing I've heard talked about- is doing away with some of the Veterans Care programs- where vets have to travel 100's or 1000's of miles to a VA Hospital for treatment- and allowing more treatment in local facilities- and in major private hospitals.... Mayo Clinic was mentioned several times as an example for its ability to competently treat large numbers of patients- in less time- with the highest recovery rate....

And ALL involved- medical, insurance, consumer, political (both Dems and Repubs) have said "doing nothing is not an option anymore".......
 

Steve

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
On the same issue-- one thing I did hear come out of the Health Care Forum- by Dems and Repubs both- is that when they start tackling the health care cost issue- EVERYTHING is on the table...
And one thing I've heard talked about- is doing away with some of the Veterans Care programs- where vets have to travel 100's or 1000's of miles to a VA Hospital for treatment- and allowing more treatment in local facilities- and in major private hospitals.... Mayo Clinic was mentioned several times as an example for its ability to competently treat large numbers of patients- in less time- with the highest recovery rate....

And ALL involved- medical, insurance, consumer, political (both Dems and Repubs) have said "doing nothing is not an option anymore".......

using local and private care faculties would open more options for vets, ..I travel to Delaware as the VA hospital gives great care, and it is worth the 120 mile trip to the nearest VA hospital..

I also have a clinic within twenty miles.. but when you need any other hospital services, it adds an extra trips to Delaware, and back, usually several times, before treatment.. so I would rather use less resources and spend less clinic/hospital time and a little more road time..

any options that gets better service should be looked at.. but options that cut services only because of cost, or pushes the burden off on the vet must be weighed heavily,.. as many vets are unable to afford adequate care..
 
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