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loomixguy

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Why has the interim Surgeon General been mute on the pending Ebola epidemic that is now within this country? Could it be due to the fact he's not "political" enough? The Great Double Tongue has lied to us about EVERYTHING, except that he's going to fundamentally change this country, which he's accomplishing at an astonishing rate.

Let a few more folks come down with confirmed cases of Ebola in the US, and there are two things you can take to the bank. The libtards will blame the NRA for the reason we don't have a Surgeon General, and the Great Pretender or one of his minions will blame Bush for the Ebola epidemic here in the US.

Thanks to those who voted for an unvetted community organizer, we are now under seige from a third world disease and nobody from the government is doing a damn thing about it. It's here. It's real. It's damn real. And it will kill you just as sure as the sun comes up in the morning.

I wouldn't get on a plane right now for any amount of money.
 

Mike

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Soldiers massacre wrong camp of Indians in Montana - Jan 23, 1870 - Declaring he did not care whether or not it was the rebellious band of Indians he had been searching for, Colonel Eugene Baker orders his men to attack a sleeping camp of peaceful Blackfeet along the Marias River in northern Montana.

The previous fall, Malcolm Clarke, an influential Montana rancher, had accused a Blackfeet warrior named Owl Child of stealing some of his horses; he punished the proud brave with a brutal whipping. In retribution, Owl Child and several allies murdered Clarke and his son at their home near Helena, and then fled north to join a band of rebellious Blackfeet under the leadership of Mountain Chief. Outraged and frightened, Montanans demanded that Owl Child and his followers be punished, and the government responded by ordering the forces garrisoned under Major Eugene Baker at Fort Ellis (near modern-day Bozeman, Montana) to strike back.

Strengthening his cavalry units with two infantry groups from Fort Shaw near Great Falls, Baker led his troops out into sub-zero winter weather and headed north in search of Mountain Chief's band. Soldiers later reported that Baker drank a great deal throughout the march. On January 22, Baker discovered an Indian village along the Marias River, and, postponing his attack until the following morning, spent the evening drinking heavily.

At daybreak on the morning of January 23, 1870, Baker ordered his men to surround the camp in preparation for attack. As the darkness faded, Baker's scout, Joe Kipp, recognized that the painted designs on the buffalo-skin lodges were those of a peaceful band of Blackfeet led by Heavy Runner. Mountain Chief and Owl Child, Kipp quickly realized, must have gotten wind of the approaching soldiers and moved their winter camp elsewhere. Kipp rushed to tell Baker that they had the wrong Indians, but Baker reportedly replied, "That makes no difference, one band or another of them; they are all Piegans [Blackfeet] and we will attack them." Baker then ordered a sergeant to shoot Kipp if he tried to warn the sleeping camp of Blackfeet and gave the command to attack.

Baker's soldiers began blindly firing into the village, catching the peaceful Indians utterly unaware and defenseless. By the time the brutal attack was over, Baker and his men had, by the best estimate, murdered 37 men, 90 women, and 50 children. Knocking down lodges with frightened survivors inside, the soldiers set them on fire, burnt some of the Blackfeet alive, and then burned the band's meager supplies of food for the winter. Baker initially captured about 140 women and children as prisoners to take back to Fort Ellis, but when he discovered many were ill with smallpox, he abandoned them to face the deadly winter without food or shelter.

When word of the Baker Massacre (now known as the Marias Massacre) reached the east, many Americans were outraged. One angry congressman denounced Baker, saying "civilization shudders at horrors like this." Baker's superiors, however, supported his actions, as did the people of Montana, with one journalist calling Baker's critics "namby-pamby, sniffling old maid sentimentalists." Neither Baker nor his men faced a court martial or any other disciplinary actions. However, the public outrage over the massacre did derail the growing movement to transfer control of Indian affairs from the Department of Interior to the War Department--President Ulysses S. Grant decreed that henceforth all Indian agents would be civilians rather than soldiers.
 
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New Ads Attack Republicans for Cutting Ebola Vaccine Funding

The Director of the National Institutes of Health has said that an Ebola vaccine would have been ready by now had it not been for the cuts to the NIH budget. It took about a day for the Democrats to start airing ads blaming the Republicans for the lack of a vaccine, basically saying that if the Republicans weren't so fanatic about tax cuts, NIH could have been funded adequately and we would now have an Ebola vaccine. The ads are running in Kentucky, Colorado, Arkansas, Louisiana, and West Virginia, all states where a Republican lawmaker is a Senate candidate and his or her vote can be weaponized.

October 13, 2014, 08:01 am
NIH director: Budget cuts delayed Ebola vaccine development



By Peter Sullivan

The director of the National Institutes of Health says an Ebola vaccine would be ready by now if it were not for cuts to the NIH budget.

"NIH has been working on Ebola vaccines since 2001. It's not like we suddenly woke up and thought, 'Oh my gosh, we should have something ready here,' " Dr. Francis Collins told The Huffington Post in an article published Sunday. "Frankly, if we had not gone through our 10-year slide in research support, we probably would have had a vaccine in time for this that would've gone through clinical trials and would have been ready."
The NIH budget, at $29.3 billion in 2013, is almost the same as it was in 2004, at $28 billion, which does not factor in inflation. The budget is down from $31 billion in 2010.

Collins said he hopes that Congress will pass emergency funding for the NIH, but "nobody seems enthusiastic about that."

Collins said the agency is already "cutting corners" in a rush to get the vaccine ready, but it will be at least December before there are clinical trials and February or March to know the results.

Having a vaccine has grown urgent as Ebola spreads in West African countries, and two cases have been confirmed in the United States.
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
New Ads Attack Republicans for Cutting Ebola Vaccine Funding

The Director of the National Institutes of Health has said that an Ebola vaccine would have been ready by now had it not been for the cuts to the NIH budget. It took about a day for the Democrats to start airing ads blaming the Republicans for the lack of a vaccine, basically saying that if the Republicans weren't so fanatic about tax cuts, NIH could have been funded adequately and we would now have an Ebola vaccine. The ads are running in Kentucky, Colorado, Arkansas, Louisiana, and West Virginia, all states where a Republican lawmaker is a Senate candidate and his or her vote can be weaponized.

October 13, 2014, 08:01 am
NIH director: Budget cuts delayed Ebola vaccine development



By Peter Sullivan

The director of the National Institutes of Health says an Ebola vaccine would be ready by now if it were not for cuts to the NIH budget.

"NIH has been working on Ebola vaccines since 2001. It's not like we suddenly woke up and thought, 'Oh my gosh, we should have something ready here,' " Dr. Francis Collins told The Huffington Post in an article published Sunday. "Frankly, if we had not gone through our 10-year slide in research support, we probably would have had a vaccine in time for this that would've gone through clinical trials and would have been ready."
The NIH budget, at $29.3 billion in 2013, is almost the same as it was in 2004, at $28 billion, which does not factor in inflation. The budget is down from $31 billion in 2010.

Collins said he hopes that Congress will pass emergency funding for the NIH, but "nobody seems enthusiastic about that."

Collins said the agency is already "cutting corners" in a rush to get the vaccine ready, but it will be at least December before there are clinical trials and February or March to know the results.

Having a vaccine has grown urgent as Ebola spreads in West African countries, and two cases have been confirmed in the United States.

What a shock. The man who is responsible for nothing that occurs around him posts a story blaming pubs for Ebola.
 

loomixguy

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I call bullsh!t. 29.3 BILLION dollars in the budget and they can't get a vaccine figured out? Makes me wonder what all useless crap they pi$$ed the money away on. And you can bet they did. :roll:
 

S.S.A.P.

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
New Ads Attack Republicans for Cutting Ebola Vaccine Funding

The Director of the National Institutes of Health has said that an Ebola vaccine would have been ready by now had it not been for the cuts to the NIH budget. It took about a day for the Democrats to start airing ads blaming the Republicans for the lack of a vaccine, basically saying that if the Republicans weren't so fanatic about tax cuts, NIH could have been funded adequately and we would now have an Ebola vaccine. The ads are running in Kentucky, Colorado, Arkansas, Louisiana, and West Virginia, all states where a Republican lawmaker is a Senate candidate and his or her vote can be weaponized.

October 13, 2014, 08:01 am
NIH director: Budget cuts delayed Ebola vaccine development



By Peter Sullivan

The director of the National Institutes of Health says an Ebola vaccine would be ready by now if it were not for cuts to the NIH budget.

"NIH has been working on Ebola vaccines since 2001. It's not like we suddenly woke up and thought, 'Oh my gosh, we should have something ready here,' " Dr. Francis Collins told The Huffington Post in an article published Sunday. "Frankly, if we had not gone through our 10-year slide in research support, we probably would have had a vaccine in time for this that would've gone through clinical trials and would have been ready."
The NIH budget, at $29.3 billion in 2013, is almost the same as it was in 2004, at $28 billion, which does not factor in inflation. The budget is down from $31 billion in 2010.

Collins said he hopes that Congress will pass emergency funding for the NIH, but "nobody seems enthusiastic about that."

Collins said the agency is already "cutting corners" in a rush to get the vaccine ready, but it will be at least December before there are clinical trials and February or March to know the results.

Having a vaccine has grown urgent as Ebola spreads in West African countries, and two cases have been confirmed in the United States.

Yesterday's - Oct 13 report!
Appears one department of the US govt is ahead of the NIH:
"The U.S. Defence Threat Reduction Agency, which is part of the U.S. Defence Department, is working with BioProtection Systems to further develop the product for use in humans.
Canada has supplied 20 vials of the experimental vaccine for use in the trial."


..... The first human clinical trials of a Canadian-developed Ebola vaccine, VSV-EBOV, begin in Maryland today to assess the vaccine's safety and determine the appropriate dosage to fight the virus that has killed more than 4,000 people ....
.... The vaccine, which was developed by scientists at the Public Health Agency of Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, will be tested on 20 healthy volunteers at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research in Silver Spring, Md.

Studies in primates have shown the vaccine prevents infections, if given before exposure, and increases survival chances among those who get it quickly after exposure.

The results from the Phase 1 human trials will be completed by December, Ambrose said, although no specific date was given.....

http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/canada-s-ebola-vaccine-how-does-it-work-1.1959082
 

Mike

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Yet there was enough in the Stimulus budget for a "Duck Genetalia Study"? :lol: :lol:

If they've been working on a vaccine since 2001, and Bush doubled the budget for the NIH, how could this possibly be a fault of a budget cut? :roll:

OT gets more gullible everyday!!!!! :roll:
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Mike said:
Yet there was enough in the Stimulus budget for a "Duck Genetalia Study"? :lol: :lol:

If they've been working on a vaccine since 2001, and Bush doubled the budget for the NIH, how could this possibly be a fault of a budget cut? :roll:

OT gets more gullible everyday!!!!! :roll:

It must suck a really big one to be him.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
Mike said:
Yet there was enough in the Stimulus budget for a "Duck Genetalia Study"? :lol: :lol:

If they've been working on a vaccine since 2001, and Bush doubled the budget for the NIH, how could this possibly be a fault of a budget cut? :roll:

OT gets more gullible everyday!!!!! :roll:

It must suck a really big one to be him.

Maybe he's partial to "Big Willys" also? Must run in the family?
 

hypocritexposer

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yep, OT believes more spending and more corruption, fraud and waste, by a bloated federal government is the answer...

What’s particularly interesting about this discussion, then, is that nobody has even discussed the fact that the federal government not ten years ago created and funded a brand new office in the Health and Human Services Department specifically to coordinate preparation for and response to public health threats like Ebola. The woman who heads that office, and reports directly to the HHS secretary, has been mysteriously invisible from the public handling of this threat. And she’s still on the job even though three years ago she was embroiled in a huge scandal of funneling a major stream of funding to a company with ties to a Democratic donor—and away from a company that was developing a treatment now being used on Ebola patients.

Before the media swallow implausible claims of funding problems, perhaps they could be more skeptical of the idea that government is responsible for solving all of humanity’s problems. Barring that, perhaps the media could at least look at the roles that waste, fraud, mismanagement, and general incompetence play in the repeated failures to solve the problems the feds unrealistically claim they will address. In a world where a $12.5 billion slush fund at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is used to fight the privatization of liquor stores, perhaps we should complain more about mission creep and Progressive faith in the habitually unrealized magic of increased government funding.


See, in 2004, Congress passed The Project Bioshield Act. The text of that legislation authorized up to $5,593,000,000 in new spending by NIH for the purpose of purchasing vaccines that would be used in the event of a bioterrorist attack. A major part of the plan was to allow stockpiling and distribution of vaccines.

Just two years later, Congress passed the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act, which created a new assistant secretary for preparedness and response to oversee medical efforts and called for a National Health Security Strategy. The Act established Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority as the focal point within HHS for medical efforts to protect the American civilian population against naturally occurring threats to public health. It specifically says this authority was established to give “an integrated, systematic approach to the development and purchase of the necessary vaccines, drugs, therapies, and diagnostic tools for public health medical emergencies.”

Last year, Congress passed the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Reauthorization Act of 2013 which keep the programs in effect for another five years.

If you look at any of the information about these pieces of legislation or the office and authorities that were created, this brand new expansion of the federal government was sold to us specifically as a means to fight public health threats like Ebola. That was the entire point of why the office and authorities were created.


There are a few interesting things about the scandal Lurie was embroiled in years ago. You can—and should—read all about it in the Los Angeles Times‘ excellent front-page expose from November 2011, headlined: “Cost, need questioned in $433-million smallpox drug deal: A company controlled by a longtime political donor gets a no-bid contract to supply an experimental remedy for a threat that may not exist.” This Forbes piece is also interesting.




Of course, between the fiscal years 2000 and 2004, NIH’s budget jumped a whopping 58 percent. HHS’s 70,000 workers will spend a total of $958 billion this year, or about $7,789 for every U.S. household. A 2012 report on federal spending including the following nuggets about how NIH spends its supposedly tight funds:

a $702,558 grant for the study of the impact of televisions and gas generators on villages in Vietnam.
$175,587 to the University of Kentucky to study the impact of cocaine on the sex drive of Japanese quail.
$55,382 to study hookah smoking in Jordan.
$592,527 to study why chimpanzees throw objects.

Last year there were news reports about a $509,840 grant from NIH to pay for a study that will send text messages in “gay lingo” to meth-heads. There are many other shake-your-head examples of misguided spending that are easy to find.

Indeed. The Progressive belief that a powerful government can stop all calamity is misguided. In the last 10 years we passed multiple pieces of legislation to create funding streams, offices, and management authorities precisely for this moment. That we have nothing to show for it is not good reason to put even more faith in government without learning anything from our repeated mistakes. Responding to the missing Ebola Czar and her office’s corruption by throwing still more money, more management changes, and more bureaucratic complexity in her general direction is madness.


http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/14/president-obama-already-has-an-ebola-czar-where-is-she/
 

iwannabeacowboy

Well-known member
Anyone looked at the 6 yr coffee break the fda is taking on drug approval? Wonder what kind of an effect that has on r&d or health care options? The sob's are killing people well into the future.
 

Mike

Well-known member
It's very obvious that OT should start investigating his claims when he posts such stupid nonsensical theatrics.

He's been b!tch-slapped so many times for his partisan only threads/lies, I doubt he has to shave his cheeks anymore. :roll:
 

Brad S

Well-known member
Anyone that says budget shortfalls exacerbated ebola transmission needs to explain cdc wasting money on bike paths and a bunch of waste. This claim is just another democratic lie,
 

Hereford76

Well-known member
Mike said:
Soldiers massacre wrong camp of Indians in Montana - Jan 23, 1870 - Declaring he did not care whether or not it was the rebellious band of Indians he had been searching for, Colonel Eugene Baker orders his men to attack a sleeping camp of peaceful Blackfeet along the Marias River in northern Montana.

The previous fall, Malcolm Clarke, an influential Montana rancher, had accused a Blackfeet warrior named Owl Child of stealing some of his horses; he punished the proud brave with a brutal whipping. In retribution, Owl Child and several allies murdered Clarke and his son at their home near Helena, and then fled north to join a band of rebellious Blackfeet under the leadership of Mountain Chief. Outraged and frightened, Montanans demanded that Owl Child and his followers be punished, and the government responded by ordering the forces garrisoned under Major Eugene Baker at Fort Ellis (near modern-day Bozeman, Montana) to strike back.

Strengthening his cavalry units with two infantry groups from Fort Shaw near Great Falls, Baker led his troops out into sub-zero winter weather and headed north in search of Mountain Chief's band. Soldiers later reported that Baker drank a great deal throughout the march. On January 22, Baker discovered an Indian village along the Marias River, and, postponing his attack until the following morning, spent the evening drinking heavily.

At daybreak on the morning of January 23, 1870, Baker ordered his men to surround the camp in preparation for attack. As the darkness faded, Baker's scout, Joe Kipp, recognized that the painted designs on the buffalo-skin lodges were those of a peaceful band of Blackfeet led by Heavy Runner. Mountain Chief and Owl Child, Kipp quickly realized, must have gotten wind of the approaching soldiers and moved their winter camp elsewhere. Kipp rushed to tell Baker that they had the wrong Indians, but Baker reportedly replied, "That makes no difference, one band or another of them; they are all Piegans [Blackfeet] and we will attack them." Baker then ordered a sergeant to shoot Kipp if he tried to warn the sleeping camp of Blackfeet and gave the command to attack.

Baker's soldiers began blindly firing into the village, catching the peaceful Indians utterly unaware and defenseless. By the time the brutal attack was over, Baker and his men had, by the best estimate, murdered 37 men, 90 women, and 50 children. Knocking down lodges with frightened survivors inside, the soldiers set them on fire, burnt some of the Blackfeet alive, and then burned the band's meager supplies of food for the winter. Baker initially captured about 140 women and children as prisoners to take back to Fort Ellis, but when he discovered many were ill with smallpox, he abandoned them to face the deadly winter without food or shelter.

When word of the Baker Massacre (now known as the Marias Massacre) reached the east, many Americans were outraged. One angry congressman denounced Baker, saying "civilization shudders at horrors like this." Baker's superiors, however, supported his actions, as did the people of Montana, with one journalist calling Baker's critics "namby-pamby, sniffling old maid sentimentalists." Neither Baker nor his men faced a court martial or any other disciplinary actions. However, the public outrage over the massacre did derail the growing movement to transfer control of Indian affairs from the Department of Interior to the War Department--President Ulysses S. Grant decreed that henceforth all Indian agents would be civilians rather than soldiers.

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don't much participate in the political deal... just fun or entertainment to see what OT types in here. anyhow - my cows graze the tp rings of baker massacre.
 

loomixguy

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That's pretty neat. I see all kinds of Oregon Trail markers when I head east to make deliveries. I always stop to read them, but a lot of the actual sites have been plowed under for many decades. You're lucky in that regard.
 
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