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CattleRMe

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Liberty Belle said:
I agree with Red Robin and Mike. I know lots of these welfare WIC recipients and there isn’t ONE of them who need ANY help from the government or from any one else, for that matter.

One of the closest to us is a young ranch couple, who drive the biggest brand new SUV they could find, have a new pickup, camper and boat they take to the lake sixty miles from here every weekend in the summer.

They also have a huge plasma TV, a trampoline for the kids, and always decked out in pretty classy duds. And they are just one of many young couples living near us that are living the same lifestyle and stopping at the WIC office for their handout every time they are in town.

Maybe you can tell me why I should be buying groceries for these leaches?

We raised six kids, drove old vehicles, dressed the kids in hand-me-downs they were tickled to get, milked a cow, raised chickens for the meat and the eggs, and I made most of our clothes while my husband sheared sheep and carpentered to supplement our ranch income.

Would we have qualified for WIC and food stamps? Darn tootin', most ranch familes would because of the way the system is set up, but we did this because it was all we could afford on our own and we would have starved to death before we asked the taxpayers to pay our bills.

Our children were raised to know it was shameful to be on the dole and not one of them would ever consider taking welfare, regardless of the circumstances they might find themselves in.

I think it's high time that people once again take responsiblity for themselves and their familes or lose those kids to someone who will take care of them.

Ok first off if they are making 40,000 dollars a year they are not qualifying for wic unless they have a ton of kids.

Second of all it's a sad day for South Dakota when they have elected someone to office that thinks that it's better to take kids away from families then to help the family unit stay entact.

I wonder what your voters would think of that?? Oh right my mistake how you are moving on is nobody was running against you in the next electoral phase..............

I cannot believe those of you here at ranchers think it's better to take kids away from their parents then to help throught government programs! What is wrong with you people??????
 

CattleRMe

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MsSage said:
I think it's high time that people once again take responsiblity for themselves and their familes or lose those kids to someone who will take care of them.
I know I am TRYING so far all I have is a 9-12 hour week at $6 an hour.....hmmm can YOU feed a 11 year old on that ? hail I can barely pay for gas. YES I had to sign up for free and reduced lunch at school am I happy? I will be once I can say TAKE HER OFF.
Have I signed up for food stamps and other aid nope but if things keep on I just might.......
How about I call YOU and have you pick up my daughter when it gets that bad? OR better yet GIVE ME A JOB. I am NOT lazy I will do just about anything.
I have put in on average 50 resumes & applications a DAY for the past 3 weeks from Houston to Nacogdoches I still DO NOT have a full time job. Tell me what should I DO? McDonalds will NOT hire me I am too qualified. :? Should I give my child up cause I am starting over and getting her away from a situation that was causing her confusion and pain? Should I give her up because I have NO family and the only help I got was from a friend in Texas?
I am the FIRST and loudest one yelling about the ABUSE of welfare but before YOU cast that WIDE brush MAKE SURE you KNOW to whom your speaking.

Ms.Sage I give you credit for trying and also credit for asking for help when the situation you are in is not meeting the needs of your child. I think any of us as parents would do the same if we would realistically look at it.

I do not know how anyone thinks anyone can survive on minium wage in the United States. They say it's the democrats chance back in office that they will say they are going to raise it. I support that. I think if certain people here would try and live on 5.25 an hour they would gain a new understanding of the real world.
 
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CattleRMe said:
X said:
Liberty Belle said:
I think it's high time that people once again take responsiblity for themselves and their familes or lose those kids to someone who will take care of them.
I agree with you, LB. That is an excellent quote. "High time" is right.

Are you two for real and by the way do you have an ounce of compassion in either of you? :???:
Well, I can tell you right now that I'm for real. I normally don't speak for others, but I'm going out on a limb here and telling you that there's not any doubt that LB is for real, too.

This country would be a lot better off if we had more "for real" ladies like Liberty Belle in it. Instead, we're getting more and more of the opposite - welfare trash that expect something to be given to them. :mad:

By the way, you asked about compassion. George W. Bush is the "compassionate conservative." Not me. I'm a real conservative. :lol:
 

CattleRMe

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X said:
CattleRMe said:
X said:
I agree with you, LB. That is an excellent quote. "High time" is right.

Are you two for real and by the way do you have an ounce of compassion in either of you? :???:
Well, I can tell you right now that I'm for real. I normally don't speak for others, but I'm going out on a limb here and telling you that there's not any doubt that LB is for real, too.

***** :???: Do you hold anyone else's feelings in regard when you comment?????*********
This country would be a lot better off if we had more "for real" ladies like Liberty Belle in it. Instead, we're getting more and more of the opposite - welfare trash that expect something to be given to them. :mad:



******Oh my gawd you have to be kidding me. You honestly think that taking kids away from parents who love them but are having a rough go of life is better then trying to help them back on their feet????? LOL at welfare trash.................you can't lump everyone together...........I'll agree some work the system but some are making an honest effort and things just do not work out for them. **************

By the way, you asked about compassion. George W. Bush is the "compassionate conservative." Not me. I'm a real conservative. :lol:

 
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CattleRMe said:
X said:
CattleRMe said:
Are you two for real and by the way do you have an ounce of compassion in either of you? :???:
Well, I can tell you right now that I'm for real. I normally don't speak for others, but I'm going out on a limb here and telling you that there's not any doubt that LB is for real, too.

***** :???: Do you hold anyone else's feelings in regard when you comment?????*********
This country would be a lot better off if we had more "for real" ladies like Liberty Belle in it. Instead, we're getting more and more of the opposite - welfare trash that expect something to be given to them. :mad:



******Oh my gawd you have to be kidding me. You honestly think that taking kids away from parents who love them but are having a rough go of life is better then trying to help them back on their feet????? LOL at welfare trash.................you can't lump everyone together...........I'll agree some work the system but some are making an honest effort and things just do not work out for them. **************

By the way, you asked about compassion. George W. Bush is the "compassionate conservative." Not me. I'm a real conservative. :lol:
:shock: Typical liberal. You're just trying to confuse everyone now. Give me some time to sort through all of that mess to see if you're talking to me. :lol:
 
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I think I've got it figured out now.... :lol:

CattleRMe said:
X said:
CattleRMe said:
Well, I can tell you right now that I'm for real. I normally don't speak for others, but I'm going out on a limb here and telling you that there's not any doubt that LB is for real, too.

***** :???: Do you hold anyone else's feelings in regard when you comment?????*********
I guess I don't understand? Why do my comments about LB have anything to do with holding someone else's feelings in regard? Feelings are more of a liberal trait, anyway. :p



CattleRMe said:
X said:
This country would be a lot better off if we had more "for real" ladies like Liberty Belle in it. Instead, we're getting more and more of the opposite - welfare trash that expect something to be given to them. :mad:



******Oh my gawd you have to be kidding me. You honestly think that taking kids away from parents who love them but are having a rough go of life is better then trying to help them back on their feet????? LOL at welfare trash.................you can't lump everyone together...........I'll agree some work the system but some are making an honest effort and things just do not work out for them. **************
I think it's always best to try to maintain the family unit. But at some point you have to throw in the towel and holler calf rope. Sorry parenting merely fosters a generation of young people that only know how to be sorry parents. We need less of that, not more of it. We've got kids raising kids and welfare bums raising kids. In fifteen or twenty years, when progeny from this generation of 'babies for cash' is hitting the ground, what will we have? We'll have a BF mess, is what we'll have! :mad:
 

EastTexasGal

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As I sit here reading the unrealistic views of low income people, I really get mad when you lump everyone in ONE GROUP! Not everyone uses the system. DO I THINK THAT IT HAS BEEN ABUSED BY SOME? YESSS. Do I think it gets color blind at times? YESSS... I myself am low income, and the very reason I am attending college to get back on my feet after I had a WRECK that has crippled me for LIFE!! where as I can not ever do the job I did before. LIBERTY? do you really see the clear picture of all the people? or just what you think? you need to visit these people that you claim are using the system and if it is true, then you can kick them off yourself by proving the abuse. I myself do not qualify for any TANF because I make to much money working PART TIME at $7 bucks an hour. As I was told if I make $700 a month my son and I do not qualify for food stamps or any other assistance. Yes he did receive free lunches based on income. Now to me that is like a twisted GOVT policy. He qualifies for free lunch but doesnt qualify for food at home because we are suppose to be able to pay our bill and live on $700 a mo. And I see many single parents worse off than me...I am not lazy. I have worked all my life and this is what comes of that? I get put down because I need assistance? I see why some just quit their minimum wage jobs...and use the system. They are starving anyways, why not get food for their kids that will actually feed them?

Liberty you came up in a different time. Farming was a way of life and things now are not the same in this day and age. Did the people do this to themselves?? There are areas of our country that can not farm, where there is no soil(cities) Do you really think that they can afford to move to the country, work, and pay bills when they can not buy a gallon of milk where they are?

I have watched some have babies just to cash a check...in Texas they stopped this by having them tie their tubes after the third child that the state pays for.

WIC...I have seen the program feed children that would have never got a drop of milk or eggs to eat if it had not been for this system. They would have lived on anything that was 10 for a dollar if they could find anything for that $1. (Ramen noodles) Can you see U.S. children looking like they are from Ethiopia?

I worked with 4-H kids and we tried to involve these children to give them a way of learning what alternatives are out there for them. I hauled these kids to many judgings and now can smile and say that I as ONE PERSON helped make difference in many lives. I have seen these kids grow up and go to college and come back and try to help others growing up in there situations.

IF YOU HAVE A MOUTH TO COMPLAIN....YOU HAVE HANDS and TIME TO HELP!! make a difference....figure a way that minimun wage can pay for families to survive. 10 years ago even we might have been able to make it, but now with cost of GAS, UTILITIES, and GROCERIES...how are we suppose to make it??? without assitance??

By the way...I am getting my degree in SOCIAL WORK...I plan on helping others in my position.

Easty ...yep the one that normally stays out of your political forum! But, this is something that hit me in my heart.
 

Faster horses

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Easty, I am sorry for your plight. In all fairness to the others here, I
don't think they are talking about those in your situation. You are trying to get an education so you are better equipped to deal with what life has
thrown you. Your situation is temporary, because that is what you want
it to be.

I rather think that the ones that are being 'lumped together' are the
ones that work the system. I've seen them and so have you. The
kids are problem kids because their parents are problem parents. And
on and on it goes.


I respect you for what you are doing and what you have done.
Life isn't fair.

We had a son-in-law that was kicked in the head by
a horse that is totally handicapped. He has to have government help.
No insurance...he is on SSI and Medicaide. It sure isn't any fun and
he'd rather not be, but has NO CHOICE. That is the good thing that
the government has done. But to qualify, they had to give up everything
they owned and could not make over $300/month or he lost all his benefits. Our daughter says, "they break you and keep you broke."
But that's the rules. Those rules are also why some couples cannot
stay married when they face catastropic events.

It is hard for those as yourself, to have to take help from the government. But there is no shame in trying to help yourself and make
life better. That is why the help is there, not to just keep doling out
to those that abuse the system.

What about church help? I heard a sermon that touched me deeply.
The gist of it was the woman in the Bible who gave all she had to the church and she didn't have much. The minister giving the sermon brought up a point that I never considered before. He said if that was all she had, then the church had fallen down on their responsiblity. They should have been more helpful to this woman so that was NOT all she had. I do think there is more help out there and I know that was one of the things President Bush brought up earlier, that we should depend on our communites and churches to help out more.

I wish the best for you. Good luck!
 

CattleRMe

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X said:
CattleRMe said:
X said:
Well, I can tell you right now that I'm for real. I normally don't speak for others, but I'm going out on a limb here and telling you that there's not any doubt that LB is for real, too.

***** :???: Do you hold anyone else's feelings in regard when you comment?????*********
This country would be a lot better off if we had more "for real" ladies like Liberty Belle in it. Instead, we're getting more and more of the opposite - welfare trash that expect something to be given to them. :mad:



******Oh my gawd you have to be kidding me. You honestly think that taking kids away from parents who love them but are having a rough go of life is better then trying to help them back on their feet????? LOL at welfare trash.................you can't lump everyone together...........I'll agree some work the system but some are making an honest effort and things just do not work out for them. **************

By the way, you asked about compassion. George W. Bush is the "compassionate conservative." Not me. I'm a real conservative. :lol:
:shock: Typical liberal. You're just trying to confuse everyone now. Give me some time to sort through all of that mess to see if you're talking to me. :lol:

I wasn't trying to confuse anyone i just made a mess of a post trying to do what you did when you quoted a couple times however we can all see i need some lessons...........
 

CattleRMe

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X said:
I think I've got it figured out now.... :lol:

CattleRMe said:
X said:
***** :???: Do you hold anyone else's feelings in regard when you comment?????*********
I guess I don't understand? Why do my comments about LB have anything to do with holding someone else's feelings in regard? Feelings are more of a liberal trait, anyway. :p



CattleRMe said:
X said:
This country would be a lot better off if we had more "for real" ladies like Liberty Belle in it. Instead, we're getting more and more of the opposite - welfare trash that expect something to be given to them. :mad:



******Oh my gawd you have to be kidding me. You honestly think that taking kids away from parents who love them but are having a rough go of life is better then trying to help them back on their feet????? LOL at welfare trash.................you can't lump everyone together...........I'll agree some work the system but some are making an honest effort and things just do not work out for them. **************
I think it's always best to try to maintain the family unit. But at some point you have to throw in the towel and holler calf rope. Sorry parenting merely fosters a generation of young people that only know how to be sorry parents. We need less of that, not more of it. We've got kids raising kids and welfare bums raising kids. In fifteen or twenty years, when progeny from this generation of 'babies for cash' is hitting the ground, what will we have? We'll have a BF mess, is what we'll have! :mad:

My comment was on your approval of the anal comment made about parents who cannot support their children alone and require help.


I realize there is a problem with the current system but why not try and prevent the unwanted pregnancies with education and training. Or how about financial planning for people that keep on having babies someone try and show them that they just cannot care for them financailly try to educate them and hope to enpower them?
 

Liberty Belle

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Liberty Belle: I agree with Red Robin and Mike. I know lots of these welfare WIC recipients and there isn’t ONE of them who need ANY help from the government or from any one else, for that matter.

One of the closest to us is a young ranch couple, who drive the biggest brand new SUV they could find, have a new pickup, camper and boat they take to the lake sixty miles from here every weekend in the summer.

They also have a huge plasma TV, a trampoline for the kids, and always decked out in pretty classy duds. And they are just one of many young couples living near us that are living the same lifestyle and stopping at the WIC office for their handout every time they are in town.

Maybe you can tell me why I should be buying groceries for these leaches?

We raised six kids, drove old vehicles, dressed the kids in hand-me-downs they were tickled to get, milked a cow, raised chickens for the meat and the eggs, and I made most of our clothes while my husband sheared sheep and carpentered to supplement our ranch income.

Would we have qualified for WIC and food stamps? Darn tootin', most ranch families would because of the way the system is set up, but we did this because it was all we could afford on our own and we would have starved to death before we asked the taxpayers to pay our bills.

Our children were raised to know it was shameful to be on the dole and not one of them would ever consider taking welfare, regardless of the circumstances they might find themselves in.

I think it's high time that people once again take responsibility for themselves and their families or lose those kids to someone who will take care of them.


CatteRme:Ok first off if they are making 40,000 dollars a year they are not qualifying for wic unless they have a ton of kids.
The couple I mentioned has four kids and I know for a fact that they and the others like them in our community are getting WIC because they make no bones about it.

CattleRme: Second of all it's a sad day for South Dakota when they have elected someone to office that thinks that it's better to take kids away from families then to help the family unit stay entact.
I should have made myself clearer. The couples I was talking about who live here would have no trouble taking care of their own children if they didn’t get a cent of welfare money. The folks who should have their kids taken away are the ones that are squirting out one illegitimate baby after another while they use what money they can get their hands on to buy drugs and booze.

A lot of those babies are born with drugs in their systems and are abused and neglected by their drunk and drugged up parents. Those folks should not even be allowed in the same room with these innocent children and certainly should not be allowed to keep them. Tell me, do you think those folks should be made to clean themselves up or should these kids be made to suffer to keep the family intact?


I think they should be protected from their parents and given a chance to be adopted by parents who will love and nurture them.

CattleRme: I wonder what your voters would think of that?? Oh right my mistake how you are moving on is nobody was running against you in the next electoral phase..............

I cannot believe those of you here at ranchers think it's better to take kids away from their parents then to help throught government programs! What is wrong with you people??????
If my stance on this issue is one a politician should avoid, oh well! You may have noticed that I don't mind sharing my opinions. I made no bones about where I stood on every issue I could think of when I ran in the primary, but I guess the voters will throw me out next election if they don’t like the way I vote, as well they should. Don't you wish you could vote against me? :p
 

IL Rancher

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I remember a program in Ohio I think that requied the young unwed mothers to sumbi to having norplant inplanted in them to keep them from having more children.. I want to remember a judge ordering this once and the gosh dang ACLU getting involved saying to was curel and unusualy punishment or something liek that.. Think it is crueler for these poor kids to keep having more kids who are born into a life of poverty and dependance... Maybe, just maybe this one program had a chance of getting these young women back on their feet so their children could grow up in a better situation than they did.
 

Bob_Frapples

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So its not ok for the needy that have been taken down to nothing,to get help?Their kids deserve to eat only noodles and water?Hey lets first make them use up all their assets too,take it all and give them little.Lets make it many full days a month of long lines that mothers holding children must stand in.No money for education too,It is their own doing right?Shall we raise minimum wage?Are you frickin kidding,how could us god fearing ranchers make a good living if they make us pay more for our help,that's just being silly.Sure they can say its little but really $1,000 goes a long way in the year 2006. They should just consider themselves lucky to have a job.


No RRSP's,no savings,no ranch to sell,no cattle to sell,no trucks,tractors or other machinery to sell.No horses to sell,no guns to sell,no trailers or 5th wheels to sell,no ownership of cars or trucks to sell.All that and you still want it tougher.Ya lets break these peoples spirit ,bring them down,make them use up all assets before we help them.Just one thing though,don't forget my drought check its been a tough 3 months out here.Thank god for air conditioning,its hot sitting out on the porch drinking lemonade,i had to go inside to cool off.Ok what were we decideing for others again?

Some of you here really should rethink your stance on those that need help.
 

Steve

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You folks ARE lumping everyone together as welfare miscreants when there are (1) genuinely needy people out there;


Maybe you missed the "intent" of my posts.

I will repost a few of the comments......so you can see I did no "lumping"...

while Wic is in thoery a good program there is abuse......"such as selling the same groceries to the asian store at the corner"....to trading it for "other stuff".....

standing behind young woman and thier chioce man,,,,while they buy junk with thier blue card,,,and milk, juice and cheese with Wic....it still p***** a person off.....

it's not that I am cold.....I just see alot of abuse.....and the children do not seem any better off....there is just more children born into these pathatic conditions....

I don't believe they should "suffer" either....but is supporting the mother's bad choices...actually helping them?......or just forcing them to live a life of poverty?


in many "poor" families the parents are trying to provide a life for thier children, in most of these families both parents work....money is just short....helping them makes sense and is not called into question.....

if the life choices of the parent put themselves on skid row, what right do they have to drag innocent children with them?...and why is our goverment subsidising thier addictions?.....all the while the children suffer?

well, ...R2......before you accuse others of "lumping" the miscreates with those trying to better thier lives.....look at your own answers ,,,in many posts you answered my "concerns" about "abuse" with "examples" of needs....isn't that leading the cart in your direction and then moralizeing about how "we" Lumped them togeather?

I made sincere efforts to show my dis-taste for welfare abuse,.....and with each answer you tried to make me (and others) sound cold.....


there is blatent abuse of welfare,,,and it hurts the poor children the most,, so why defend the abuses?
 

Cal

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Avoiding long-term poverty is not rocket science. First, graduate from high school. Second, get married before you have children, and stay married. Third, work at any kind of job, even one that starts out paying the minimum wage. And, finally, avoid engaging in criminal behavior. If you graduate from high school today with a B or C average, in most places in our country there's a low-cost or financially assisted post-high-school education program available to increase your skills.
 

CattleRMe

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reader (the Second) said:
Liberty Belle said:
CatteRme:Ok first off if they are making 40,000 dollars a year they are not qualifying for wic unless they have a ton of kids.
The couple I mentioned has four kids and I know for a fact that they and the others like them in our community are getting WIC because they make no bones about it.

CattleRme: Second of all it's a sad day for South Dakota when they have elected someone to office that thinks that it's better to take kids away from families then to help the family unit stay entact.
I should have made myself clearer. The couples I was talking about who live here would have no trouble taking care of their own children if they didn’t get a cent of welfare money. The folks who should have their kids taken away are the ones that are squirting out one illegitimate baby after another while they use what money they can get their hands on to buy drugs and booze.

A lot of those babies are born with drugs in their systems and are abused and neglected by their drunk and drugged up parents. Those folks should not even be allowed in the same room with these innocent children and certainly should not be allowed to keep them. Tell me, do you think those folks should be made to clean themselves up or should these kids be made to suffer to keep the family intact?


I think they should be protected from their parents and given a chance to be adopted by parents who will love and nurture them.

CattleRme: I wonder what your voters would think of that?? Oh right my mistake how you are moving on is nobody was running against you in the next electoral phase..............

I cannot believe those of you here at ranchers think it's better to take kids away from their parents then to help throught government programs! What is wrong with you people??????
If my stance on this issue is one a politician should avoid, oh well! You may have noticed that I don't mind sharing my opinions. I made no bones about where I stood on every issue I could think of when I ran in the primary, but I guess the voters will throw me out next election if they don’t like the way I vote, as well they should. Don't you wish you could vote against me? :p

I hadn't heard about the Texas deal to have your tubes tied after the third child on welfare, but that makes a lot of sense to me. Some people are irresponsible and I see no reason for the state to support them and their children -- as many children as they irresponsibly choose to or happen to have. However these situations are delicate and it's easy for government bureaucrats to make the wrong judgement based on paperwork, so if you put in place such a policy, it has to be with checks and balances...

To me the tubes tied deal would be a catch 22 because there are the women who are only on welfare for awhile not forever. Some people are just having a hard time and just need assistance for a bit not forever.
 

CattleRMe

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Liberty Belle said:
I think it's high time that people once again take responsiblity for themselves and their familes or lose those kids to someone who will take care of them.

A lot of those babies are born with drugs in their systems and are abused and neglected by their drunk and drugged up parents. Those folks should not even be allowed in the same room with these innocent children and certainly should not be allowed to keep them. Tell me, do you think those folks should be made to clean themselves up or should these kids be made to suffer to keep the family intact?

I think they should be protected from their parents and given a chance to be adopted by parents who will love and nurture them.
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This is the quote I was addressing and in just reading it, it would appear that you were meaning all people on welfare since we seemed to be in a heated anti welfare discussion however after your explanation of it I do see what you mean.

If I had been South Dakotan every paper within miles would have had this site and that quote when I first read it because it first appeared that anyone on any welfare system you supported their children being taken away. One tip of advice for someone who is involved in trying to improve public relations for a program be careful what you say and always read and reread it and think how every group could take what you say..........
 

katrina

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Anyone who knows LB, knows there is a way bigger picture than a few statements taken out of context..... CattleRme are you threatening LB???
 

CattleRMe

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katrina said:
Anyone who knows LB, knows there is a way bigger picture than a few statements taken out of context..... CattleRme are you threatening LB???

No not at all I was just giving some good sound advice that was given to me when I took my position is all.

If you note I said if I was South Dakotan and I'm not....... and see that's the thing Katrina that has to be considered not everyone knows everyone in that way and to me the original comment ment something different........however as she explained it I went back and posted a reply understanding her now. I thought the post was more a oh i get ya now not a threat :???: :???:
 

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