Ya know, i do agree with you Doc, somewhat, HOWEVER....look who started this thread.....dont go jumping on stevec for saying what he feels when someone throws out the bait. I believe that ranchers are the biggest stewards of the land, but lets look at a few other things about that thread. Liberty Bell lives in the far western part of SD, not in the east where there IS a problem with GEESE, not ducks, so she misunderstands. There are many giant canada geese that wipe out a bean field in no time. Also, if you read what LB says, it makes it sound like Mr Dean is making this stuff up.... Mr Dean is quoting a fella by the name of Aldo Leupold, one of the greatest conservationists ever. I think Mr Deans posts were more aimed at developers, those who want to bulldose everything, however, if you come east of the river in southdakota, there are getting to be more and more farms that bulldose every tree, pull up all the fences, plow from ditch to ditch, drain the wetlands so they can plow some more in areas that were never ment to be plowed....those are who he and the late great Mr Leupold were targeting, not those who are good steward, who i am sure are 95% of those who frequent this site. LB calls mr Dean a socialist, i have asked LB over and over her definition of a socialist and i never get an answer because i am sure she gets subsidies and that is a government program...therefore hypricrate.