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MRJ please point me too the data that proves the federal,state or local Gov owns 80% of all land holdings in the US?

It certainly seems reasonable to sell off at least 10 to 20 percent of the government owned land to private individuals because such ownership will produce a great amount of business activity which will generate money in the private sector AND more of that hated income tax!

So know we want to take federal ground and sell it to private sector? What you would gain on the smallest % on Fed income tax you would be paying much higher for on property taxes and school taxes. What do you think would be done with a large% of this ground? Housing developments, people buying dirt cheap selling 10 years later and making 200-300% markups on. What do we tell all the taxpayers that have been paying on this ground for the last 50+ years? Thanks for your contribution an making the buyer a rich man/woman? Tell me how you have a section or many sections of BLM ground landlocked around a farm/ranch who gains the most from that sale and who would not be bidding on many sections of this type of ground in this scenario? What would be market price for such landlocked ground? What could be gained selling out those sections along with the farm/ranch to outside interest in commercial hunting?

However, people should pay the costs with entrance fees, and privatization of amenities in those parks. Many people do not have the opportunity to enjoy those places, so should not be burdened with the associated costs of government ownership with so little cost to those visiting and using the places.

It doesn't cost to go to MT Rushmore? Badlands? Devils tower? The grand canyon? It adds up in numbers of visitors and these are national treasures which need to be protected by all of us, we have the option of visiting these places or not, not to mention how much money is spent at the local levels from these tourist who do come and visit? Raising the enterance fees by having local control would not only hinder attendance but also drop the revenue for private business and the states in sales tax revenue as well.

BTW, how many of you enjoy using hiways, water and sewer systems, hunting on CRP land, cooperative electric and phone systems, and more? Those all do or did, enjoy subsidies at some point in their history. NO ONE in the USA is un-benefitted by government subsidies.

We all enjoy these things because we all pay for them thru our state and federal taxes.

Maybe it is time to stop blaming farmers for all of it. Of course those subsidies are not FOR farmers, they are to keep food costs low for VOTERS, aka consumers.

I don't blame farmers as the subsides do keep our food cost low, because without it higher food cost means more open markets and outside interest getting involved in that aspect of our lives as well. Here is the scenario I see that may throw a wrench in our food prices, we will drop subsides at some point are the claims, alot think ethonol production will help many aspects and probably will, but if we keep building ethonol plants at increasing rates what does that do to food production crops? I would think we will see increases in price on many food items that directly compete with grains that will be turned into fuel.We can only grow so much of each crop correct? Then I see foregin markets comming into play in the US on the food end and hope the ethonol BOOM last for along time, as once we have the door open to lessen rising food prices our compition will be here for a very long time.
 
I would like to see where the farmers get 20% of the farm bill. A link would be fine..............you see I think that is wrong. I believe the figure was 17% and when you broke it down further it only amounted to 1% of ACTUALLY going to farmers.
Can you imagine if they did away with subsidies, and the priece of food went way up...........you can bet there would be a clamor for the Gov to do something. Heck it has already happened..........remember when beef got high and all the cry from the consumer. I wish they would take the Gov subsides away..................right along with ALL subsides and Gov intervention with absurd rules and regs. Oh and they can stop their confiscation of water from farmers............remember in Oregon for starters.
Seems some of these wackos want to have it two ways.
 
I wonder how it would really work if all subsidies were taken away. Right now anyway, tell me if i am wrong, but we are producing more than we can use......wouldnt supply and demand come in....supply high, low price etc? In order to drive up prices, wouldnt you have to leave some ground sit idle, and your still paying taxes on it, so not many would do that..also, you cant really hold back on your steers can ya? When they are ready, they are ready. If they are too big, you get docked. Only a lack of would drive up the price. Am i wrong for thinkin that?
 
Passinthru I will look that up and give you the site.

Southdakota hunter-- It is probably less than 1%. If you are only worried about numbers and dollars and not the safety and the cost of your food there is no where to go with this.
 
Southdakotahunter said:
I wonder how it would really work if all subsidies were taken away. Right now anyway, tell me if i am wrong, but we are producing more than we can use......wouldnt supply and demand come in....supply high, low price etc? In order to drive up prices, wouldnt you have to leave some ground sit idle, and your still paying taxes on it, so not many would do that..also, you cant really hold back on your steers can ya? When they are ready, they are ready. If they are too big, you get docked. Only a lack of would drive up the price. Am i wrong for thinkin that?
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Check out the horse market right now. In a few years, when those who have been keeping colts back because they wouldn't bring enough, will have to sell them for less, and they've put feed into them for another year or two. Then when those people are sick of it and just sell for whatever they will bring, they will be forced out of the business. We will see a large sell off in the horses and the broodmares. I've seen it before and I imagine we will see it again.

If we did as suggested above and there were too many cattle produced, we would just have to kill and bury the oversupply.

From what I've read, we can not supply our domestic market now, with beef. If it weren't for the imports into our country, we wouldn't have enough beef for our needs now. I don't know if this information is correct, but that is what I have read on these postings and on others.
 
It seems if my recollection is right that money was claimed to being going to go to farmers, actually some went to wild horse rescue, development of rural water systems(towns). and other developments in rural areas(not farmers) etc.
 
I agree......its a dang if ya do and dang if ya dont.....I can see something else happening, like you said, we cant supply the beef now so we need to import.....what do you think the grain farmers and such would do when they see they cant make it on grains......
 
You must remember when beef prices are high people have other markets to go to chicken,pork,processed proteins,fish. Grains are used in so many items that if the base grain price went up on corn all other avenues of corn would rise as well. Some things just can't replace it as it is used in so many things, how much corn syrup is used in processed goods? Billions of pounds a year! It goes out by millions of gallons from ADM corn sweetner plants by the tankerfull on train cars. This market would be cut into if ethanol continues to be in demand. What would giants like Coke and pepsi do to the price of just pop? Let alone all other processed foods that have corn syrup in them? A box of corn flakes could hit 8.00 a box and then people would have to find other alternatives or we would be improting corn in from other countrys and soybeans from South America as well.
 
Happy go lucky said:
You must remember when beef prices are high people have other markets to go to chicken,pork,processed proteins,fish. Grains are used in so many items that if the base grain price went up on corn all other avenues of corn would rise as well. Some things just can't replace it as it is used in so many things, how much corn syrup is used in processed goods? Billions of pounds a year! It goes out by millions of gallons from ADM corn sweetner plants by the tankerfull on train cars. This market would be cut into if ethanol continues to be in demand. What would giants like Coke and pepsi do to the price of just pop? Let alone all other processed foods that have corn syrup in them? A box of corn flakes could hit 8.00 a box and then people would have to find other alternatives or we would be improting corn in from other countrys and soybeans from South America as well.
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Seems I read that there is only about 3cents of wheat in a loaf of bread and about the same of corn and other ingreadients in a can of pop. Processing and packaging and trucking are most of the cost. Oh and profit, too! :lol:

I do know that corn is used in a lot of things. But if they took the price supports off, it dang sure would wipe out lots of overextended family farms and also bigger ones.

Dad always thought that the government payments were bad as that was how they controlled you. But around here, those who took and still take the payments, sure did do better than those who didn't.

I always wondered why they didn't pay those of us that didn't farm up highly erodable land in the first place, like they did those who broke it up and then they paid them to put it back to grass.

It's pretty hard not to get on the government bandwagon when all of those around you are doing it. :(

I told a government official one time that they ought to not put the foodstamp programs under the farm bill and he said if they didn't do it that way, they would never get those innner city congresspeople to vote for it. Sure make sense then. Though it gets kind of old hearing how the farmer is getting all this money when it's mostly going somewhere else.
 
Jinglebob you maybe right if costing out the grain per bushel paid at the elevator, the cost comes in when you process grains and sort for quality. I know the boys at ADM are all over 18.00 an hour to start and most are mid 20.00 an hour employees. The ocst to build those massive corn cookers has got to be alot and not to mention the upkeep, but I have seen days of 120 plus semis waiting to unload corn there.
 

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