My name is Frank Downey,I live in west central Alabama.I've been to alot of forums and this is the best one by far when dealing with ranching and animals.I don't have a very large ranch myself,just a few horses,few cows,few sheep and alot of Border Collies that I train.The owner of my company has a very large ranch with around 8,000 head on commercial cows that I train and pin very often.I have been training BC's for several years,been to several trials.Worked cows all of my life,don't know if I will have anything to offer in the forum,but it will be good to hear from some folks that do know.Glad to bee here. :lol: