War protesting

[passin thru]

The deficient goofballs against the liberation of Iraq and the war on terror had their protest march in Washington over the weekend. Yup we heard perhaps tens of thousands of people attended. This is the nature of the leftists. These people are not what you would call leaders of independent thought processes. They're sheep, easily led to marches such as these. Why do you think they are called "collectivists?" These are people focused on the "community ot village" and not the individual. As such, they are easily herded by those with the stronger personalities into group activities to promote one leftist cause or another. Really............. take a look at protest marches either for or against some idea. You will always find that liberals can be gathered into these groups more easily than conservatives. The difference is one's sense of individuality. The more you value your individuality the less likely it is you will be involved in a protest march, either for or against anything. And just who is it in our culture that is promoting a war against individuality? We all know that would be the left, wouldn't it? Plus the other ones marching with this group in spirit were Islamic jihadists. The insurgency was emboldened and will be strengthened, hopefully only for the short term, by this march --- just as they have been emboldened by Democratic opposition to the war. As a result, additional American soldiers will die. Just where do you think the United States and its coalition partners would be today in terms of establishing a freely elected government in a peaceful Iraq if Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran had known that all Americans and all American politicians were solidly unified behind George Bush? We al know the answer, the only problem is the left will deny it and call us names as their collective so leads them. OK start the name calling
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[mp.freelance]

Also, a lot of them are unwashed hippies who have nothing to do but go to these things. There's plenty of time to protest when you don't have a job, eat only top ramen, and live out of a volkswagen van.

 

[Disagreeable]

There was at least 100,000 people in Washington, DC Saturday to protest the Iraqi war. About 200 turned up to support the Iraqi war. I've yet to see anyone on this board post negative, insulting, comments about those who support the war. Yet all you pros can do is throw personal insults at the antis. Go ahead. It only proves how pitiful your stance on the Iraqi war is.

 

[passin thru]

That is an eery feeling, that one umentionable proster,s response fell in exactly as predicted.
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Also as freelance wrote and I will add,This............................................................................ COMMUNIST SPONSORED RALLY is the product of the loser hippie generation who aren't really anti-war at all, but anti-America, anti-West, anti-freedom.
Why else would someone support ANSWER the front group for the Stalinist Workers World Party. And any group that qualifies for that epithet in front of its name deserves special scrutiny, since Josef Stalin was responsible for the murder of as many as 25 million human beings.

 

[Murgen]

It's not hard to stay quiet and not protest, when you are of the majority!

Usually the minority that has to protest to be heard.

 

[mp.freelance]

I completely agree w/ passin thru. It's not their anti-war stance that's mock-worthy, but the fact that they've always been protesting about something. Either they grew up in the hippie sixties, or they've been taught to idolize that era by the school system and their parents. Believe me, I went to school in the 1980s and 1990s, and they really do glorify the sixties and the hippies. It seemed as if every discussion of the U.S. implied that everything this country does is racist, sexist, imperialist, classist, and just plain evil at it's capitalist core. Since I come from a formerly communist country, I saw what all these pro-socialist notions lead to, and I wasn't persuaded. But I can tell you that a lot of people probably were convinced that the U.S. is an evil force in the world.

When you combine hatred for your own country with a glorification of protesting, socialism, and radical behavior, the result is all the protesters banding together against Iraq, or the WTO before that, or any number of things before that. It's just a desire to relive the 1960s, nothing else.

 

[mp.freelance]

And by the way, Disagreeable - why weren't you in DC? You seem to feel so strongly about the war, so I'm surprised you didn't make your way out there. I guess you'd prefer to sit on the sidelines and cheer while others risk arrest standing up for their beliefs - not to mention the time and money they're sacrificing. tsk tsk tsk. Unless you're willing to fight with the cops, break a few windows, or at least grow some dreadlocks, I'm not taking anything you say seriously, you chickendove.

 

[Steve]

WASHINGTON - As the anti-war movement arrives in Washington this weekend, many top Democrats are leaving.

En route to Washington for the rally, anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan protested outside Clinton's New York office. "She knows that the war is a lie, but she is waiting for the right time to say it," Sheehan told about 500 cheering supporters. "You say it or you are losing your job."

Spokesmen for the Democrats who are skipping the anti-war event all said they had schedule conflicts. But some leading anti-war activists aren't buying it.

"There are a lot of people here who are wondering, where are the Democrats?"

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12715260.htm

Maybe they didn't want a picture with thier supporter....the WWP

This was no accident, for the demonstration was essentially organized by the Workers World Party, a small political sect that years ago split from the Socialist Workers Party to support the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956. The party advocates socialist revolution and abolishing private property. It is a fan of Fidel Castro's regime in Cuba, and it hails North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Il for preserving his country's "socialist system," which, according to the party's newspaper, has kept North Korea "from falling under the sway of the transnational banks and corporations that dictate to most of the world." The WWP has campaigned against the war-crimes trial of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.

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[Disagreeable]

And by the way, Disagreeable - why weren't you in DC? You seem to feel so strongly about the war, so I'm surprised you didn't make your way out there. I guess you'd prefer to sit on the sidelines and cheer while others risk arrest standing up for their beliefs - not to mention the time and money they're sacrificing. tsk tsk tsk. Unless you're willing to fight with the cops, break a few windows, or at least grow some dreadlocks, I'm not taking anything you say seriously, you chickendove.

How do you know that I wasn't? It was a peaceful demonstration. People demonstrated their objections to this war around the US and the world, in Phoenix, Tucson, Paris, Seattle, San Francisco, Rome, London thousands of people marched.

You seem to be getting a bit tense there, MP. Is your conscience beginning to hurt a bit as you see more and more people die while you encourage this bloodbath?

You may not take what I say seriously, but the rest of the world is watching this fiasco in Iraq and our enemies are laughing. What "friends" we have left are in shock at our inability to take care of our own here in the US, much less the hopelessness of the Iraqi situation. Things aren't going too well in Afghanistan either. And all the while our deficit builds up, up, up, up, while Republicans try to figure out how to save their tax cuts for the rich by shafting the elderly, the poor and the military.

 

[mp.freelance]

And by the way, Disagreeable - why weren't you in DC? You seem to feel so strongly about the war, so I'm surprised you didn't make your way out there. I guess you'd prefer to sit on the sidelines and cheer while others risk arrest standing up for their beliefs - not to mention the time and money they're sacrificing. tsk tsk tsk. Unless you're willing to fight with the cops, break a few windows, or at least grow some dreadlocks, I'm not taking anything you say seriously, you chickendove.

How do you know that I wasn't? It was a peaceful demonstration. People demonstrated their objections to this war around the US and the world, in Phoenix, Tucson, Paris, Seattle, San Francisco, Rome, London thousands of people marched.

You seem to be getting a bit tense there, MP. Is your conscience beginning to hurt a bit as you see more and more people die while you encourage this bloodbath?

You may not take what I say seriously, but the rest of the world is watching this fiasco in Iraq and our enemies are laughing. What "friends" we have left are in shock at our inability to take care of our own here in the US, much less the hopelessness of the Iraqi situation. Things aren't going too well in Afghanistan either. And all the while our deficit builds up, up, up, up, while Republicans try to figure out how to save their tax cuts for the rich by shafting the elderly, the poor and the military.

So are you against the invasion of Afghanistan too?

By the way, I'm not getting tense, just pointing out that you're as full of wind as everyone else here, inlcuding me. Why would my conscience hurt, when I already explained my reasons for supporting the war, and they have nothing to do with either Bush or WMD?

 

[Disagreeable]

So are you against the invasion of Afghanistan too?

By the way, I'm not getting tense, just pointing out that you're as full of wind as everyone else here, inlcuding me. Why would my conscience hurt, when I already explained my reasons for supporting the war, and they have nothing to do with either Bush or WMD?

Why do you think I was against invading Afghanistan? Simply because I pointed out that things aren't going well there?

If your reason for defending and encouraging more people death's in Iraq is because Saddam is a bad man and you have some friends in the military, those reasons stink. And you know it.

Saddam is in jail, yet dozens of Iraqis die every day and we can't do anything about it. Some of them are being killed by government sponsored death squads, just like Saddam's death squads. All the while George W. Bush tells us "freedom is on the march" in Iraq. Do you seriously believe Iraq is going to be a beacon of freedom and democracy in the Middle East? The Brits are apparently gearing up to pull out in May. How many more Americans will die before May? What difference will it make to Iraq? And our Federal budget deficit goes up, up, up.

 

[mp.freelance]

My reasons don't stink, your reasons stink. And you're a poo brain.

The dialogue just keeps getting more sophisticated.

 

[Disagreeable]

My reasons don't stink, your reasons stink. And you're a poo brain.

The dialogue just keeps getting more sophisticated.

You're pretty pitiful, MP. Spin and ignore.

Here's the question: "Do you seriously believe Iraq is going to be a beacon of freedom and democracy in the Middle East?"

Let's see if you answer the question.

 

[mp.freelance]

Hell, I don't even think the United States is a beacon of freedom and democracy entirely. Even the greatest country on earth has serious problems, as we've seen over and over again. Do I think that the situation in Iraq will improve? There's a good chance. Do I think that it's better than before? Definitely. How will history judge this invasion and occupation? I don't claim to know, and neither should you.

 

[Disagreeable]

Hell, I don't even think the United States is a beacon of freedom and democracy entirely. Even the greatest country on earth has serious problems, as we've seen over and over again. Do I think that the situation in Iraq will improve? There's a good chance. Do I think that it's better than before? Definitely. How will history judge this invasion and occupation? I don't claim to know, and neither should you.

You're spinning again. In spite of the United States of American spending $Billions and shedding the blood of thousands of young Americans, do you honestly think that Iraq will be a beacon of freedom and democracy in the Middle East?

A yes or no will be fine.

 

[Disagreeable]

Do I think that the situation in Iraq will improve? There's a good chance. Do I think that it's better than before? Definitely. How will history judge this invasion and occupation? I don't claim to know, and neither should you.

Please take time to show me why you think the "situation" in Iraq will improve. Every news report or government report I read tells me the violence is getting worse, the insurgency is getting stronger, the Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other every day. What magic moment do you foresee that will make that improve?

History? I was around to see the United States drag its tail out of Vietnam. I see nothing different with Iraq. There has been invader after invader in this area who have conqured only to find they can't govern. There's not a single reason to believe it will be any different for us. Our Generals on the ground say we can't defeat the insurgency. They say it will require a politicial settlement. That's what they said in Vietnam. Hundreds of young Americans died while the North Vietnamese argued about the shape of the negotiating table. The fact that the Army is now releasing body counts shows how desperate things are in Iraq.

 

[mp.freelance]

Like I said: I don't know. That's just an honest answer, not "spin." Unlike you, I don't pretend to know everything or possess the ability to foresee the future.

As for Vietnam, we tucked tail because the U.S. population turned against the war, not because we couldn't win it. If we're not careful, the same thing will happen here.

 

[passin thru]

FOR FREELANCE
I know one thing.................anyone with at least one working brain cell can interpret your answer.
Will Iraq be a beacon of freedom.............no
Will they be better than they were..............yes
Is any country a beacon of freedom..........no
Since no one is perfect do we quit trying (in the abscence of perfection one should choose to do nothing) ABSOLUTELY NOT, A PERSON ALWAYS STRIVES FOR PERFECTION.

Do you wonder about this ole proster who is disagreeable to about everyone, only posts during the day. Sure makes one believe she is posting on someone else's dime. Make one wonder about the value of computers in the workplace.

 

[Disagreeable]

Like I said: I don't know. That's just an honest answer, not "spin." Unlike you, I don't pretend to know everything or possess the ability to foresee the future.

As for Vietnam, we tucked tail because the U.S. population turned against the war, not because we couldn't win it. If we're not careful, the same thing will happen here.

You need to pay more attention. I have posted poll after poll showing the American public has turned against this war. So if that's what caused us to lose the Vietnam war, why would it not cause us to lose the Iraqi war?

For your information on Vietnam, the public lost confidence in our ability to win the war, confusion about why we were involved there anyway, the deaths of young men from every region of the country, plus disgust with actions of some of our military being shown on TV, the millions of dollars being given away and unaccounted for, lies from politicians, embarrasment at how our country was being jerked around by a small insurgent group, are all reasons we lost the Vietnam war. And much of that is happening today with the Iraqi war. There's very little difference between Vietnam and Iraq.

 

[mp.freelance]

The public's lost confidence in how the war has been handled doesn't equate with them "turning against" the war.