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Was Obama lying????

Tam

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Investor Business Daily conducted a poll over the last 2 weeks, by mail. The participants of the poll were
Physicians, chosen at random.

65% of the physicians polled said they oppose the proposed Obamacare plan. 45% of the physicians polled said that they would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement, if the plan were to become law.

President Obama's plan is supposed to insure 40 million new people, who currently don't have insurance, and don't go to the doctor frequently, for lack of insurance. It is a known fact that we currently do not have sufficient number of doctors to cover 40 million new patients.

After seeing the results of the poll, American people are wondering how their healthcare will be affected by the exploding doctor shortage, if 45% of the doctors quit, and we get 40 million new patients.

After seeing the results of the poll, American people are wondering whether President Obama and his administration were lying when they claimed that his plan has strong support from the doctors.

No wonder, Rasmussen reports that 53% of Americans oppose the plan proposed by President.

Ref: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
 

Tam

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Hannity had Obama's second cousin that is a Doctor on tonight and even he doesn't agree with this bill and quoted the New England Journal of Medicine on how many doctors say they will leave their practices if it passes. He commented on the fact that the US will be in a real mess if 40 million
more people are seeking medical attention and 45% of the Doctors quit due to the new bill. He talked about the built in rationing that will take place and how as proud as he is about his cousin being elected President he think this Health Care bill is a big mistake. So I guess everyone has to decide with one they are going to believe on Health Care, the Community organizer/Junior Senator turn President or his cousin that makes living in the medical field. :? :wink:
 

TSR

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You know if all these doctors quit, just what are they going to do to earn the amount of money they are now making?? Not all of them are retirement age are they? Or have they earned enough in just a few years of practice to retire,hmmm? I know, they will go to Canada, OOPs can't go there they already have a similar plan in place. Mexico?? Might get shot crossing the border, not there. What a predicament. BTW there are a lot of flaws in the plan not many pieces of legislation isn't flawed but it will be terrible if the AMA's members have to take a cut in pay. Having said all that I am vehemently opposed to any illegal getting health insurance at the expense of the taxpayer but I guess they are doing so now via the emergency room/free clinics. Maybe the illegal alien problem should have been tackled before health reform.
 

Faster horses

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It sure is easy to say someone makes too much money without any idea
of what they go through and have gone through to be a doctor.
Why should they spend so much time getting an education if they
aren't going to reap any benefit from doing so? Being a doctor might
be prestigious, but it sure ain't an easy life. What's happening in
this country is the INCENTIVES to work are being taken away.
And when t he incentives are gone...then what...are we going to be
whipped into shape?

I agree, the illegal immigrant thing is HUGE. Why hasn't something been
done long before now? I like President Bush, but he didn't address this
problem when he should have; and it goes back beyond him.
Maybe that's the next thing we should be up in arms about. Yep, that should have been addressed before Health Care Reform. But health care reform isn't about health care anyway. It's about control.
 

TSR

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Well I hope at least most of them that became doctors didn't have pay as their number one criteria for becoming a doctor. I don't think I said doctor's shouldn't be well paid. I just asked a simple question. Where are they going to go to earn the same amount of money?? I think it has been posted here several times that the average working man's pay has been stagnant while professional pay has increased quite significantly over the years. Maybe its time for them to experience at least some of what the average worker has experienced. Doctor's and other professionals are no different than anyone else. Many are subject to the same greed that has prevailed in Congress.
 

Tam

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TSR said:
You know if all these doctors quit, just what are they going to do to earn the amount of money they are now making?? Not all of them are retirement age are they? Or have they earned enough in just a few years of practice to retire,hmmm? I know, they will go to Canada, OOPs can't go there they already have a similar plan in place. Mexico?? Might get shot crossing the border, not there. What a predicament. BTW there are a lot of flaws in the plan not many pieces of legislation isn't flawed but it will be terrible if the AMA's members have to take a cut in pay. Having said all that I am vehemently opposed to any illegal getting health insurance at the expense of the taxpayer but I guess they are doing so now via the emergency room/free clinics. Maybe the illegal alien problem should have been tackled before health reform.

All these Doctors would have to do is refuse to deal with Medicare and Medicaid patients to kill the US Medical system/Obamacare. Can you explain why they wouldn't refuse to deal with them when the reimbursments they recieve are about 50% of the cost of the treatment and Medicare reportedly refuses to pay on more claims than the private insurance companies do now espcially when Obama plans to cut their fees even further?

And if you think they won't refuse, stop a minute and remember that the Mayo Clinic in AZ. has already made the decision to refuse to treat them. Anyone getting treatment at that clinic has to pay out of pocket or go somewhere else. This is even after Obama used the Mayo Clinic's supposed support to sell his crap bill.

These Doctors took an oath "to do no harm" and if Obama and his HHS personel are going to be making the decisions on who can recieve treatment and what treatment they can have based on cost I can't blame the Doctors if they feel obligated to retire or find another career. :roll:
 

TSR

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Tam said:
TSR said:
You know if all these doctors quit, just what are they going to do to earn the amount of money they are now making?? Not all of them are retirement age are they? Or have they earned enough in just a few years of practice to retire,hmmm? I know, they will go to Canada, OOPs can't go there they already have a similar plan in place. Mexico?? Might get shot crossing the border, not there. What a predicament. BTW there are a lot of flaws in the plan not many pieces of legislation isn't flawed but it will be terrible if the AMA's members have to take a cut in pay. Having said all that I am vehemently opposed to any illegal getting health insurance at the expense of the taxpayer but I guess they are doing so now via the emergency room/free clinics. Maybe the illegal alien problem should have been tackled before health reform.

All these Doctors would have to do is refuse to deal with Medicare and Medicaid patients to kill the US Medical system/Obamacare. Can you explain why they wouldn't refuse to deal with them when the reimbursments they recieve are about 50% of the cost of the treatment and Medicare reportedly refuses to pay on more claims than the private insurance companies do now espcially when Obama plans to cut their fees even further?

And if you think they won't refuse, stop a minute and remember that the Mayo Clinic in AZ. has already made the decision to refuse to treat them. Anyone getting treatment at that clinic has to pay out of pocket or go somewhere else. This is even after Obama used the Mayo Clinic's supposed support to sell his crap bill.

These Doctors took an oath "to do no harm" and if Obama and his HHS personel are going to be making the decisions on who can recieve treatment and what treatment they can have based on cost I can't blame the Doctors if they feel obligated to retire or find another career. :roll:

Well with respect to your first paragraph, if the doctors are living on near 50% of what they should be receiving then most that I know are doing pretty good. Of course i realize that most have patients other than medicare patients-but still pretty good. If all refused medicare patients then it would seem some would have time to catch up on their reading of those medical journals because they're not going to be very busy.
I would bet that many clinics have refused medicare patients but I would also bet that those patients are being seen by someone. Maybe the free-market system the republicans like so well is working here. I know there is only one doctor in my area that will put those drainage tubes in small children's ears for what the state insurance will pay. They say he stays busy all day every day. He btw is a foreign doctor seemingly glad to get the business.
Finally, if med. graduates took the Hippocratic oath, there's quite a bit more to it than "to do no harm". I'm not saying they all abide by it just like many politicians don't abide by the Constitution. IF those doctors can find another career that will pay as well or better then many would have already been gone. Sometimes I think the public is hoodwinked by shallow threats to the benefit of those threatening.
 

Tam

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TSR said:
Tam said:
TSR said:
You know if all these doctors quit, just what are they going to do to earn the amount of money they are now making?? Not all of them are retirement age are they? Or have they earned enough in just a few years of practice to retire,hmmm? I know, they will go to Canada, OOPs can't go there they already have a similar plan in place. Mexico?? Might get shot crossing the border, not there. What a predicament. BTW there are a lot of flaws in the plan not many pieces of legislation isn't flawed but it will be terrible if the AMA's members have to take a cut in pay. Having said all that I am vehemently opposed to any illegal getting health insurance at the expense of the taxpayer but I guess they are doing so now via the emergency room/free clinics. Maybe the illegal alien problem should have been tackled before health reform.

All these Doctors would have to do is refuse to deal with Medicare and Medicaid patients to kill the US Medical system/Obamacare. Can you explain why they wouldn't refuse to deal with them when the reimbursments they recieve are about 50% of the cost of the treatment and Medicare reportedly refuses to pay on more claims than the private insurance companies do now espcially when Obama plans to cut their fees even further?

And if you think they won't refuse, stop a minute and remember that the Mayo Clinic in AZ. has already made the decision to refuse to treat them. Anyone getting treatment at that clinic has to pay out of pocket or go somewhere else. This is even after Obama used the Mayo Clinic's supposed support to sell his crap bill.

These Doctors took an oath "to do no harm" and if Obama and his HHS personel are going to be making the decisions on who can recieve treatment and what treatment they can have based on cost I can't blame the Doctors if they feel obligated to retire or find another career. :roll:

Well with respect to your first paragraph, if the doctors are living on near 50% of what they should be receiving then most that I know are doing pretty good. Of course i realize that most have patients other than medicare patients-but still pretty good. If all refused medicare patients then it would seem some would have time to catch up on their reading of those medical journals because they're not going to be very busy.
I would bet that many clinics have refused medicare patients but I would also bet that those patients are being seen by someone. Maybe the free-market system the republicans like so well is working here. I know there is only one doctor in my area that will put those drainage tubes in small children's ears for what the state insurance will pay. They say he stays busy all day every day. He btw is a foreign doctor seemingly glad to get the business.
Finally, if med. graduates took the Hippocratic oath, there's quite a bit more to it than "to do no harm". I'm not saying they all abide by it just like many politicians don't abide by the Constitution. IF those doctors can find another career that will pay as well or better then many would have already been gone. Sometimes I think the public is hoodwinked by shallow threats to the benefit of those threatening.

Why do you think the cost to those not on Medicare is so HIGH? And Bull they won't be busy they will just be making those that they will see pay the cost they charges everyone else. :roll: Ask yourself can the elderly afford to have their Doctor jack their cost up by 100% and pay for it out of pocket? :???: :roll:

Have you heard about the Lotteries in the Canada to get a Doctor. Welcome to socialized Medicine. Where there is a lack of Doctors and LOONNGGG waiting list. :wink:
 

TSR

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You still didn't answer my question. Where are all these doctors going to go to still make the sme money, where????
 

Sandhusker

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TSR said:
You still didn't answer my question. Where are all these doctors going to go to still make the sme money, where????

Obviously, money is a secondary consideration for them. However, to try to steer the conversation that way is missing the point. The majority of citizens don't want this. The majority of doctors don't want this. Considering that we're supposed to have a representative government, why are the Democrats still insisting on cramming this down our throats? Is it arrogance or is it ignorance?
 

Tam

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TSR said:
You still didn't answer my question. Where are all these doctors going to go to still make the sme money, where????

Maybe they will go back to school to become Malpractice LAWYERS? I can see HUGH money in that career when the Doctors left are overworked and held accountable for the results of Obamacare :wink:
 

Tam

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Sandhusker said:
TSR said:
You still didn't answer my question. Where are all these doctors going to go to still make the sme money, where????

Obviously, money is a secondary consideration for them. However, to try to steer the conversation that way is missing the point. The majority of citizens don't want this. The majority of doctors don't want this. Considering that we're supposed to have a representative government, why are the Democrats still insisting on cramming this down our throats? Is it arrogance or is it ignorance?

Can we vote for arrogant ignorance?
 

loomixguy

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Yesterday TWAP was quoted as saying that employers who offer health insurance would see a 3000% reduction in their premiums.

3000%!? If an employee's premium was costing the employer $4,000/year, a 3000% reduction would mean the employer should be RECEIVING $120,000? WTF??? How the hell would THAT work?

TWAP is a liar of insane proportion. Guess that is what to expect of Hah-vad education and socialist doctrine.
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
TSR said:
You still didn't answer my question. Where are all these doctors going to go to still make the sme money, where????

Obviously, money is a secondary consideration for them. However, to try to steer the conversation that way is missing the point. The majority of citizens don't want this. The majority of doctors don't want this. Considering that we're supposed to have a representative government, why are the Democrats still insisting on cramming this down our throats? Is it arrogance or is it ignorance?

Can we vote for arrogant ignorance?

I think you've hit the nail right on the head. :lol:
 

Steve

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TSR said:
You still didn't answer my question. Where are all these doctors going to go to still make the sme money, where????

interesting question.. my doctor has a small practice.. he doesn't take any new patients.. he is opposed to the bill,.. he is over 60 and he could retire.. it would put five people out of work, and his patients with out a doctor...

will others make the same choice, or just limit their practice?

or will they find away around the bill... my guess is they will limit their practice and not take medicaid or medicare.. leaving millions with insurance coverage and few health care providers..

same mess.. same result.. just alot costlier..
 

101

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Faster Horses, VERY VERY well said: We all choose what we do in life, For some it never seems to work out the way we think it should for what ever reason, for others it seems everything just falls into place. I do think that doctors for the most part do earn their income maybe more than some, Lawyers for one comes to mind altho not not all. 101
 

Tam

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TSR said:
You still didn't answer my question. Where are all these doctors going to go to still make the sme money, where????

TSR you have yet to answer my question did Obama lie about the support he had from the Doctors when a very large percentage don't agree with the plan and a large precentage say they will quit practicing if Obamacare passes?
 

Larrry

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TSR said:
You still didn't answer my question. Where are all these doctors going to go to still make the sme money, where????

No need to worry about them they are looking out for themselves.


The bigger question is why?
Care to answer that question
 
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