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Way to go Joe!!!!

kolanuraven

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Posted: 12:55 PM ET




Biden had some strong words for the president.


— The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Joe Biden, D-Delaware, called President Bush’s comments accusing Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats of wanting to appease terrorists "bulls**t” and said if the president disagrees so strongly with the idea of talking to Iran then he needs to fire his secretaries of State and Defense, both of whom Biden said have pushed to sit down with the Iranians.

“This is bullshite. This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset…and make this kind of ridiculous statement,” Biden said angrily in a brief interview just off the Senate floor.

“He’s the guy who’s weakened us. He’s the guy that’s increased the number of terrorists in the world. His policies have produced this vulnerability the United States has. His intelligence community pointed that out not me. The NIE has pointed that out and what are you talking about, is he going to fire Condi Rice? Condi Rice has talked about the need to sit down. So his first two appeasers are Rice and Gates. I hope he comes home and does something.”

He quoted Gates saying Wednesday that we “need to figure out a way to develop some leverage and then sit down and talk with them.”

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Mike

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Please tell us all how his statements are b*llshit:

Bush's speech, delivered after he toured the historic Dead Sea fortress Masada, served as a broad and emotional restatement of support for Israel on the anniversary of its 60th year in existence.

Citing Hamas's call for the "elimination" of Israel, Hezbollah followers' chants of "Death to Israel, Death to America," bin Laden's advocacy of "the killing of Jews and Americans" and what he said was Ahmadinejad's vow to wipe the Jewish state off the map, Bush argued that such language cannot be discounted as mere rhetoric.

"There are good and decent people who cannot fathom the darkness in these men and try to explain away their words," Bush said. "It's natural, but it is deadly wrong. As witnesses to evil in the past, we carry a solemn responsibility to take these words seriously. Jews and Americans have seen the consequences of disregarding the words of leaders who espouse hatred. And that is a mistake the world must not repeat in the 21st century."

Bush continued: "Some seem to believe we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
 
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Anonymous

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Bush Appeases Himself?
Thursday, May 15, 2008
George W. Bush, whose grandfather Prescott Bush made his family fortune by bankrolling the Nazi war machine, today compared Barack Obama to Nazi appeasers for wanting to use diplomacy. Bush also seems to forget that his only success in Iraq came from negotiations with insurgents (who are partners with Al Qaeda).

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kolanuraven

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Oldtimer said:
Bush Appeases Himself?
Thursday, May 15, 2008
George W. Bush, whose grandfather Prescott Bush made his family fortune by bankrolling the Nazi war machine, today compared Barack Obama to Nazi appeasers for wanting to use diplomacy. Bush also seems to forget that his only success in Iraq came from negotiations with insurgents (who are partners with Al Qaeda).

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Ohhhhh.......SMACK!!!!
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
Bush Appeases Himself?
Thursday, May 15, 2008
George W. Bush, whose grandfather Prescott Bush made his family fortune by bankrolling the Nazi war machine, today compared Barack Obama to Nazi appeasers for wanting to use diplomacy. Bush also seems to forget that his only success in Iraq came from negotiations with insurgents (who are partners with Al Qaeda).

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Link please, Kolan has showed me I can not assume you libs are telling the correct story.
 

fff

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aplusmnt said:
Link please, Kolan has showed me I can not assume you libs are telling the correct story.

ROTFLMAO!!! A link? A Google search for Prescott Bush and Nazis will get a lot of links. I pasted some of the introduction, go to the link for the entire article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to powerRumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president
Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington The Guardian, Saturday September 25 2004

This article appeared in the Guardian on Saturday September 25 2004 . It was last updated at 23:59 on September 24 2004.

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
 

Mike

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George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

Too funny. The financial backer spoken of here, Fritz Thyssen, was later jailed by the Nazis for being against them.

Prescott Bush ONLY OWNED ONE SHARE in the Harriman bank which did business with Thyssen.

To say Prescott Bush helped Hitler to power is quite a stretch. :roll: :roll:
 

fff

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Mike said:
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

Too funny. The financial backer spoken of here, Fritz Thyssen, was later jailed by the Nazis for being against them.

Prescott Bush ONLY OWNED ONE SHARE in the Harriman bank which did business with Thyssen.

To say Prescott Bush helped Hitler to power is quite a stretch. :roll: :roll:

And he sold that one share for $1.5 million bucks. Quite a lot of money at the time. Pretend all you want, but

"This was the mechanism by which Hitler was funded to come to power, this was the mechanism by which the Third Reich's defence industry was re-armed, this was the mechanism by which Nazi profits were repatriated back to the American owners, this was the mechanism by which investigations into the financial laundering of the Third Reich were blunted," said Loftus, who is vice-chairman of the Holocaust Museum in St Petersburg.

"The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the Nazis, for Fritz Thyssen," said Loftus. "At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn't until the Nazis took over Holland that they realised that now the Nazis controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back. Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it's absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate


There is no dispute over the fact that the US government seized a string of assets controlled by BBH - including UBC and SAC - in the autumn of 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy act. What is in dispute is if Harriman, Walker and Bush did more than own these companies on paper.
 

hopalong

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fff said:
Mike said:
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

Too funny. The financial backer spoken of here, Fritz Thyssen, was later jailed by the Nazis for being against them.

Prescott Bush ONLY OWNED ONE SHARE in the Harriman bank which did business with Thyssen.

To say Prescott Bush helped Hitler to power is quite a stretch. :roll: :roll:

And he sold that one share for $1.5 million bucks. Quite a lot of money at the time. Pretend all you want, but

"This was the mechanism by which Hitler was funded to come to power, this was the mechanism by which the Third Reich's defence industry was re-armed, this was the mechanism by which Nazi profits were repatriated back to the American owners, this was the mechanism by which investigations into the financial laundering of the Third Reich were blunted," said Loftus, who is vice-chairman of the Holocaust Museum in St Petersburg.

"The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the Nazis, for Fritz Thyssen," said Loftus. "At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn't until the Nazis took over Holland that they realised that now the Nazis controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back. Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it's absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate


There is no dispute over the fact that the US government seized a string of assets controlled by BBH - including UBC and SAC - in the autumn of 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy act. What is in dispute is if Harriman, Walker and Bush did more than own these companies on paper.

The whole story!!!

Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street partner for several German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party, but by 1939 was bitterly denouncing Hitler and had fled Germany. He was later jailed by the Nazis for his opposition to the Nazi regime.[5] Business transactions with Germany were not illegal until Hitler declared war on the United States on December 11, 1941, but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act after it had been made public that U.S. companies were doing business with the declared enemy of the United States. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of German banking operations in New York City. Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing property under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order cited only the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Bush was a director and held only one share. Fox News has reports on recently declassified material about this issue, according to a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency.[6] By 1941 Thyssen no longer had control over his business empire, which was in the hands of the Nazi government.

E. Roland Harriman – 3991 shares
Cornelis Lievense – 4 shares (New York banker)
Harold D. Pennington – 1 share (Employed by Prescott Bush at Brown Brothers Harriman)
Ray Morris – 1 share (a business partner of the Bush and Harriman families)
Prescott S. Bush – 1 share (director of UBC; managing partner for E. Roland Harriman and Averell Harriman)
H.J. Kouwenhoven – 1 share (organized UBC for Von Thyssen, managed UBC in Netherlands)
Johann G. Groeninger – 1 share (German Industrial Executive)
The Harriman business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman).
Dutch-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by a German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, the American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the business.)
These assets were held by the U.S. government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Bush was on the board of directors of UBC and held only one share in the company.

Toby Rogers claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) made him complicit with the slave labour mining operations in Poland out of Auschwitz. However given Thyssen fled Germany before Hitler invaded Poland and set up those mining operations it is very hard to see how this claim can be defended.

Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with the anti-Nazi German exile Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.[7] Two former slave laborers from Poland filed suit in London against the government of the United States in the amount of $40 billion. Judge Rosemary Collier dismissed a class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001, citing the principle of state sovereignty.[5]

Prescott Bush's connection to the arms industry[8] industry came from his father Samuel P. Bush who worked for Buckeye Steel Castings Company which manufactured railway parts for the railroad industry and barrels for guns and casings for shells for Remington Arms.[9][10]
 
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Anonymous

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McCain Appeases Bush?
Thursday, May 15, 2008
A post here earlier today pointed out the hypocrisy of Bush comparing Obama to Nazi appeasers because Obama is in favor of negotiating with (some of) our enemies. But it just keeps getting more bizarre. Today McCain (who is largely running on his foreign policy experience) defended Bush’s remarks and further claimed that the reason that the hostages in Iran came home in the 80’s was because Reagan refused to negotiate.

Unfortunately, McCain seems to lost his bearings again. Has he forgotten the Iran-Contra Scandal? That’s where Reagan’s administration was caught red-handed sending arms to Iran in exchange for the release of the hostages. Doesn’t that sound like appeasement?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/15/14913/5301/320/516310

UPDATE: It turns out that McCain has totally flip-flopped on whether we should be talking with Hamas. Two years ago he was in favor of it, now he is attacking Obama for being in favor of it. Which astoundingly is not even Obama’s position on Hamas (both Clinton and Obama have said that Hamas must change its policies toward Israel and terrorism before it can have diplomatic relations with the US).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051503306.html

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