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Way to go Liberty Belle

katrina

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Our one an only LB is designing a law to make it legal for aministration, teachers and janitors to carry a concealed weapon at school in South Dakota.. LB if you read this, my advice is that they have more training than just a south dakota concealed weapons permit.... YOu rock girl!!
 

Steve

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Larrry said:
I would like to see them take it a step further and require a firearms training course of school personnel

I agree,... the training for all staff alone would be a deterrent,

just knowing they knew how to shoot back would scare some of the cowards..
 
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Anonymous

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And I would disagree on making this mandatory on all school employees- as I know of and think there are some teachers out there, that while they are fantastic teachers, would be more of a detriment packing a gun than not... And staying fashionable while carrying concealed for women is sometimes tough- which is why many ladies in L.E. use purse holsters....But you would have to also have gun lockers installed in the classrooms as you wouldn't want a purse left lying around a schoolroom with a weapon in it...

But allow those that want to- to go thru a firearms course teaching how to and when to use a weapon- a basic qualification course-and then allow those that want to to carry a concealed weapon at work to do so...

I had Reserve Deputies that were teachers- and they were very qualified to pack both on and off duty-- but the schools never would allow them to while they were working for the school district...
 

Steve

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But you would have to also have gun lockers installed in the classrooms as you wouldn't want a purse left lying around a schoolroom with a weapon in it...

just lock it in the desk like they used to..



to be honest I doubt many teachers leave their purse unsecured today..
for some reason I would think it, the cards and cash would walk away if not locked up..
 

Larrry

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Oldtimer said:
And I would disagree on making this mandatory on all school employees- as I know of and think there are some teachers out there, that while they are fantastic teachers, would be more of a detriment packing a gun than not... And staying fashionable while carrying concealed for women is sometimes tough- which is why many ladies in L.E. use purse holsters....But you would have to also have gun lockers installed in the classrooms as you wouldn't want a purse left lying around a schoolroom with a weapon in it...

But allow those that want to- to go thru a firearms course teaching how to and when to use a weapon- a basic qualification course-and then allow those that want to to carry a concealed weapon at work to do so...

I had Reserve Deputies that were teachers- and they were very qualified to pack both on and off duty-- but the schools never would allow them to while they were working for the school district...

Not once did I say it should be mandatory for all School personnel to Carry. But it should be mandatory for training.
 

kolanuraven

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Would you, as citizens of that area, be willing to pay more taxes for cover the cost of the insurance the county/district would have to buy?

The insurance, for liability, would prob go out the roof and thus taxes ( school) would have to go up to cover it.

AND...who would cover/reimburse for the costs of the guns?
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
But you would have to also have gun lockers installed in the classrooms as you wouldn't want a purse left lying around a schoolroom with a weapon in it...

just lock it in the desk like they used to..



to be honest I doubt many teachers leave their purse unsecured today..
for some reason I would think it, the cards and cash would walk away if not locked up..

Yep- Kola that is what I was just going to mention.. I'm sure the Schools liability insurer will have a lot to say on what qualifies as a locked gun locker...Locked desk drawers don't qualify for most other government work... :???:
And the insurers will have a lot to say on what type of training- what firearms to allow- who purchases and owns them- etc. etc.-- besides the overall question of whether they will allow it at all- or if rates will be raised so high the taxpayers can't afford it...
 

katrina

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Lawmakers and educators in Texas say the way to guard against school shootings like last Friday's at a Connecticut elementary school is to make sure teachers can shoot back.

While the rampage that left 20 young children and six adults dead in a small Northeastern community has sparked a national debate on gun control, assault weapons and a culture of violence, David Thweatt, superintendent of the 103-student Harrold Independent School District in Wilbarger County, said his teachers are armed and ready to protect their young charges.


"As educators, we don’t have to be police officers and learn about Miranda Rights and related procedures. We just have to be accurate.”
- David Thweatt, superintendent of Harrold Independent School District in Texas


“We give our ‘Guardians’ training in addition to the regular Texas conceal-and-carry training,” Thweatt, whose school is about three hours northwest of Dallas, told FoxNews.com. “It mainly entails improving accuracy…You know, as educators, we don’t have to be police officers and learn about Miranda Rights and related procedures. We just have to be accurate.”

Thweatt is the architect of “The Guardian Plan,” a blueprint for arming school staff, including teachers, that may be catching on, at least in the Lone Star state. Teachers there are allowed to have weapons in the classroom, as Thweatt's faculty members do, but State Attorney General Greg Abbott suggested Monday that lawmakers may consider ways to encourage the practice statewide.

"Bearing arms whether by teachers and guards and things like that will be all a part of more comprehensive policy issues for the legislature to take up in the coming weeks," Abbott said. "And you can be assured in the aftermath of what happened in Connecticut that these legislators care dearly about the lives of students at their schools and they will evaluate all possible measures that are necessary to protect those lives," he said.

More momentum for the idea is evidenced by Austin gun shop dealer Crocket Keller, who announced his store will now extend the same discount on firearm purchases to teachers as it does to veterans.

Thweatt said there have been no incidents since October 2007, when his district adopted the plan giving an unspecified number of teachers and school staff -- dubbed "Guardians" -- authority to carry concealed weapons on school premises. Participating staff are anonymous and known only to Thweatt and the school board, which must approve each application for an employee to become a Guardian. They receive a small stipend annually.

“We’re 18 miles and 30 minutes from the nearest police station," Thweatt said. "So we are our first responders. If something happened here, we would have to protect our children. You know, police officers are true, everyday heroes in my book, but one of them once told me something very revealing. He said, ‘Ninety-five percent of the time, we get to the scene late.’ I can’t afford to let that happen.”

Each Guardian must obtain a Texas conceal-and-carry permit, and must lock-and-load their weapons with “frangible” bullets that break apart when colliding with a target. “They go through people,” assured Thweatt.

“They’re very similar to what the air marshals use. The bullets are glued together with polymers, and we insist upon them because we don’t want the bullet to ricochet off a wall after it’s fired and hit a child.”

Thweatt says parents have embraced The Guardian Plan, a fact evidenced by the transfer rate into his school district. “We’re a high-transfer district,” he told FoxNews.com, “which means only 18 percent of students come to the school because they live in the district. The rest transfer in or choose to come here from other districts.”

There’s a simple thread, Thweatt says, that binds together many of the mass shootings that have recently rocked the U.S.: They happened in places where the shooter knew there was going to be little resistance.

“These shooters, even though they are evil and have mental problems, they inevitably know where they are going,” explained Thweatt. “They are going where they won’t get any resistance. Let’s put it this way, would you put a sign in front of your house that says, ‘I am against guns. You will find no resistance here?’ That would be a stupid thing to do. You’re going to invite people who like to take advantage of helpless individuals.

“Would my policy have stopped this?” Thweatt asked. “Nobody knows for sure or for 100 percent, but what we do know is that active shooters go where there is no one there to resist. The Guardian Plan addresses that fact.”



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/stop-school-shootings-by-letting-teachers-fire-back-say-texas-officials/#ixzz2FQDOWXUR
 

Whitewing

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Larrry said:
Oldtimer said:
And I would disagree on making this mandatory on all school employees- as I know of and think there are some teachers out there, that while they are fantastic teachers, would be more of a detriment packing a gun than not... And staying fashionable while carrying concealed for women is sometimes tough- which is why many ladies in L.E. use purse holsters....But you would have to also have gun lockers installed in the classrooms as you wouldn't want a purse left lying around a schoolroom with a weapon in it...

But allow those that want to- to go thru a firearms course teaching how to and when to use a weapon- a basic qualification course-and then allow those that want to to carry a concealed weapon at work to do so...

I had Reserve Deputies that were teachers- and they were very qualified to pack both on and off duty-- but the schools never would allow them to while they were working for the school district...

Not once did I say it should be mandatory for all School personnel to Carry. But it should be mandatory for training.

Consider the source.
 

hopalong

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yep just consider who is against all this!!!!!kolo=jingo=lulu=allie and who ever, add that list to oldtimer and you have a real bunch of winners...oldtimer had deputies that were teachers :roll: :roll: :roll:
he only had 3 deputies period :wink: :roll: :D
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
Would you, as citizens of that area, be willing to pay more taxes for cover the cost of the insurance the county/district would have to buy?

The insurance, for liability, would prob go out the roof and thus taxes ( school) would have to go up to cover it.

AND...who would cover/reimburse for the costs of the guns?

Insurance would probably be much cheaper than all the law suits that result from a shooting. Keep your eye on the Connecticut school...the lawsuits will be coming. The ambulance chasers are probably already passing out cards.
 

TexasBred

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hopalong said:
yep just consider who is against all this!!!!!kolo=jingo=lulu=allie and who ever, add that list to oldtimer and you have a real bunch of winners...oldtimer had deputies that were teachers :roll: :roll: :roll:
he only had 3 deputies period :wink: :roll: :D

Evidently they were poor teachers....couldn't teach OT a dam thing.
 
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Anonymous

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hopalong said:
yep just consider who is against all this!!!!!kolo=jingo=lulu=allie and who ever, add that list to oldtimer and you have a real bunch of winners...oldtimer had deputies that were teachers :roll: :roll: :roll:
he only had 3 deputies period :wink: :roll: :D

And like normal- you know nothing....And like to LIE...... :(

I'm not against allowing teachers/school employees that want to to carry at school... I just think folks better look at the whole picture-- and realize their is a lot more than just handing someone a gun...

And our RESERVE Deputy program which was started in 1976 had an average of 12 Deputies at all times- with a maximum of about 20 for awhile.... We had bankers, educaters, nurses, doctors wives, businessmen, ranchers, etc. etc... Pretty much a cross section coverage of the community... Some even decided to go on into fulltime law enforcement careers...
 

kolanuraven

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hopalong said:
yep just consider who is against all this!!!!!kolo=jingo=lulu=allie and who ever, add that list to oldtimer and you have a real bunch of winners...oldtimer had deputies that were teachers :roll: :roll: :roll:
he only had 3 deputies period :wink: :roll: :D


Where did I say I was against it? I was just asking who was gonna pay for it?

Show me where, in my post, where I said I was against this?


PROOF....PROOF....PROOF.....SHOW ME PROOF, Memawnpa

XOXOX's
 

kolanuraven

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TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
Would you, as citizens of that area, be willing to pay more taxes for cover the cost of the insurance the county/district would have to buy?

The insurance, for liability, would prob go out the roof and thus taxes ( school) would have to go up to cover it.

AND...who would cover/reimburse for the costs of the guns?

Insurance would probably be much cheaper than all the law suits that result from a shooting. Keep your eye on the Connecticut school...the lawsuits will be coming. The ambulance chasers are probably already passing out cards.

It could very well be cheaper, but I doubt it. It is something to consider as an added tax burden to the citizens.


But if they are willing to foot the cost LOCALLY, more power to'em.
 

Whitewing

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kolanuraven said:
hopalong said:
yep just consider who is against all this!!!!!kolo=jingo=lulu=allie and who ever, add that list to oldtimer and you have a real bunch of winners...oldtimer had deputies that were teachers :roll: :roll: :roll:
he only had 3 deputies period :wink: :roll: :D


Where did I say I was against it? I was just asking who was gonna pay for it?

Show me where, in my post, where I said I was against this?


PROOF....PROOF....PROOF.....SHOW ME PROOF, Memawnpa

XOXOX's

Now you know how we feel about your good buddy. Welcome to the wonderful world of trying to have an adult conversation with OT......who will typically reply with.....so what you're saying is..... XYZ bullcrap....bullcrap....bullcrap.....that has absolutely nothing to do with what you originally posted.

I've confronted him on the practice at least a dozen times but like shooting at a tank with bb's, he just keeps plowing forward and doing the same tired thing over and over again.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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On the news this morning they said the Principal at Sandy Hook charged the shooter. If she would do that unarmed to protect her students I have no doubt properly trained she would have shot him as he entered the school making only 2 fatalities. His mother and him. :?
 
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Anonymous

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kolanuraven said:
TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
Would you, as citizens of that area, be willing to pay more taxes for cover the cost of the insurance the county/district would have to buy?

The insurance, for liability, would prob go out the roof and thus taxes ( school) would have to go up to cover it.

AND...who would cover/reimburse for the costs of the guns?

Insurance would probably be much cheaper than all the law suits that result from a shooting. Keep your eye on the Connecticut school...the lawsuits will be coming. The ambulance chasers are probably already passing out cards.

It could very well be cheaper, but I doubt it. It is something to consider as an added tax burden to the citizens.


But if they are willing to foot the cost LOCALLY, more power to'em.


Yep-- and except for the federal government removing the Gun Free School Zones Act of 1995 (which in many areas is not enforced anyway )-- all decisions on whether to allow teachers to be armed should be made at a LOCAL level- and the Feds stay out of it...

But knowing the Federal government...And knowing how they never sensibly proact responsibly- but usually react to traumatic events- and when they do so overreact-- I would not be surprised to see schools and taxpayers required to hire/contract security/campus police for all schools- just like they do at the airports....
 
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