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"We Have An Imperial President"

hypocritexposer

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video at link

MARK LEVIN: I'm not into imperial presidents who act imperial and speak imperial and Obama forgets there's a Constitution. Yes, he keeps telling us he won reelection. Congratulations, but guess what? The Constitution wasn't up for election, it's not up for a referendum. He has to comply with it, too.

He was sent back to Washington, but he's got a strict list of rules that he has to follow as president. When he gets up there and starts saying, if Congress doesn't do this, I'm going to do this unilaterally, it violates separation of power a lot of the times. And this is a man pushing the edge of the envelope as far as i'm concerned, whether it's the appointment clause, whether it's his unilateral action on immigration, whether it's trashing the commerce clause and the tax clauses under Obamacare. Now they're talking about executive orders on the Second Amendment. They've issued regulations on First Amendment attacking religious liberty. This notion that he might be able to lift the debt ceiling, you know, unilaterally under the Fourteenth Amendment.

What the hell is this? He was elected president. Congratulations. This guy makes Richard Nixon look like a man who followed the law all the time. I think we have an imperial president, he sounds imperial, he's arrogant as hell and I'm furious about this and I'm going to tell you why. We are a magnificent country. We don't need to be turned upside down. We don't need to run from crisis to crisis to crisis. He's bankrupting this country.

He said we've had a discussion about the debt. When did we have a discussion about the debt? We've had a debate about taxes. The man's never around to have a discussion about anything. So, yes, he causes me to be furious when I watch and listen to him. (FOX News Channel's America Live with Megyn Kelly, January 14, 2013)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/01/14/mark_levin_reacts_to_obama_presser_we_have_an_imperial_president.html
 

hypocritexposer

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On his Monday radio show, conservative talker Mark Levin said that if President Barack Obama sidesteps Congress on the debt ceiling fight and attacks the Congress’ constitutionally enumerated “core power” – that is control over spending and taxing — through executive action, Congress will have “no choice” but impeachment.

Levin explained that if unilateral action by the White House — which White House spokesman Jay Carney ruled out — were to happen, it would infringe on Congress’ “core power” and should be punished with impeachment.

“Now, if Obama unilaterally acts — and I think there’s a fan-dance going on here where his spokes-idiot [Jay] Carney is out there saying, ‘No, we’ve decided we’re not going to do this’ — if Obama, though, plays the role of Hamlet and in the end says ‘I have no choice: The Republicans are going to destroy our economy, our debt rating, all this that and the other, therefore I must unilaterally act,’ he should be impeached,” Levin declared. “Because that means Congress’ core power — in addition to declaring war — Congress’ core power, that is control over spending and taxing, will have been seized by the president of the United States in one executive order.”

“No Congress would tolerate this from any president,” Levin continued. “I don’t care if the president was Abraham Lincoln. This Congress would not have tolerated it from Richard Nixon. No Congress can tolerate such a complete and brazen frontal assault on its enumerated power. No Congress. No twisting of the language in the 14th Amendment or any way else, because we will cease to be a federal government of three coequal branches. We will cease to be that.”

And that, Levin said, would throw the entire American constitutional system of government out of order.

“And what are we going to do, ladies and gentlemen?” he said. “Throw our entire system away? Our entire Constitution away? Our entire financial system away for Obama? Why?”

“So, if a president commits a high crime and misdemeanor, which in this case is a brazen frontal attack on the Constitution itself in a way that no president has ever attacked the Constitution — ceasing power unilaterally from the Congress — then we have no choice, do we?” Levin added. “Do we, than to remove him from office? What do you think about that one, Colin Powell?”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/14/levin-if-obama-sidesteps-congress-on-debt-ceiling-no-choice-but-impeachment/#ixzz2I0xsRxhN
 

Faster horses

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They'll sit and rage about it, wring their hands and do nothing. Bunch
of sheep, they are. And I really think they are afraid of Obama for
some reason.

I do think what Mark Levin is talking about is exactly what Obama
has in mind. He planted the seeds today in that speech. So get ready...
I would wish Levin would be right, but someone has to have the guts
to go against him. So far, no one has shown us that.

Mark Levin would, but he's not in Congress. I wonder who he thinks
would be the first one to step up to stop Obama?

What has happened to Benghazi and Fast and Furious? It's been
quite awhile now for F&F and not much has happened there. And it's
been more than enough time for Benghazi to come to light. People lost
their lives in both instances. It's just quieted down and Obama is betting
that the Americans have a short memory. Which they do. Obviously.
And they are easily duped.
 

okfarmer

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I sent my senators a letter about fast and furious and stories I heard whil on the south border.

Coburn has yet to reply, so I'm assuming he may actually put some thought in to his response. Inhofe sent a canned email back which was less than impressive:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (BATFE) Operation Fast and Furious. As your voice in Washington, I appreciate hearing your concerns.

The BATFE Phoenix office launched this operation in 2009 to monitor weapon purchases by suspected gun smugglers. Its strategy was to watch suspected "straw" gun buyers, rather than moving as quickly as possible to arrest them, in hope that the purchase would lead to identifying higher-level conspirators linked to the drug cartels.

As you know, Operation Fast and Furious came to light after a shootout in December, 2010, in which U.S. border patrol agent Brian Terry was killed. Two of the assault weapons found at the scene were bought in a gun shop that was part of the operation. Due to the mismanagement and recklessness of this operation, the Justice Department officials removed the acting director of the BATFE, Kenneth Melson and the U.S. attorney in Phoenix, Dennis Burke.

Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA), ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Oversight Committee, are leading the investigation into the operation. Investigations have identified more than 120 weapons linked to the operation that have been recovered at crime scenes in Mexico.

Scrutiny over Attorney General Eric Holder's role in Fast and Furious increased several months ago when internal DOJ memos surfaced suggesting he misled Congress about when he learned of the operation. Originally, in response to congressional questioning, Holder stated that he learned of the operation in the weeks leading up to a May 3rd hearing. He later changed his story, saying he learned about Fast and Furious earlier in the year through news reports. He claimed the discrepancy came about because he misunderstood the earlier question. Because of his misrepresentation of what he knew about the operation, and his inability to properly manage his department, I have called for Holder's resignation.

On June 28, 2012 the House of Representatives passed two resolutions, holding Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal and civil contempt of Congress for failing to produce documents regarding Fast and Furious to the House Oversight Committee. H. Res 711, which holds Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal contempt of Congress, passed by a vote of 255 to 67. This resolution gives the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia a directive to criminally try Attorney General Holder for not producing documents under subpoena from Congress. The second resolution, H. Res 706, passed by a vote of 258 to 95 and holds Attorney General Holder in civil contempt of Congress. H. Res 706 allows the Chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform to authorize the initiation or intervention in judicial proceedings in any Federal court of competent jurisdiction, on behalf of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, to force Holder to turn over documents relating to Operation Fast and Furious.

I will continue to monitor the situation and pledge to work to make government more responsible than it has been in this particular situation. I agree with you that our federal agencies can, and should, do much better. Again thank you for your comments.
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
So......6 months later and nothing has been done. For now, Holder
has not been charged. Nor has he resigned.

Good that you wrote to them okfarmer.

Keep us informed as you are informed. :roll: Whenever, that is.
 

gmacbeef

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
They'll sit and rage about it, wring their hands and do nothing. Bunch
of sheep, they are. And I really think they are afraid of Obama for
some reason.

I do think what Mark Levin is talking about is exactly what Obama
has in mind. He planted the seeds today in that speech. So get ready...
I would wish Levin would be right, but someone has to have the guts
to go against him. So far, no one has shown us that.

Mark Levin would, but he's not in Congress. I wonder who he thinks
would be the first one to step up to stop Obama?

What has happened to Benghazi and Fast and Furious? It's been
quite awhile now for F&F and not much has happened there. And it's
been more than enough time for Benghazi to come to light. People lost
their lives in both instances. It's just quieted down and Obama is betting
that the Americans have a short memory. Which they do. Obviously.
And they are easily duped.

51% of the people in our country are dumbasses. that was proven November 6th 2012. The number is higher for those in congress.
 
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Anonymous

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:lol: :lol: Remember when I told you how GW was making "precedent" with some of the 290 Executive Orders he issued (not counting Presidential Directives or the 161 signing statements)... Many which entered all new ground of usurping power by the Administrative Branch of government...

And how I warned you that Congress's failure to challenge them could come back and bite the country (and R's ) in the butt (if there ever was a D President again)...And the Dem Congress was complaining about Congress giving up too much power and warning that once you put those tools in a Presidential toolbox- you are never going to get them out...

While Obama hasn't even issued half as many with 145 as of 12/21/2012-- I have a feeling if Congress stays dysfunctional and can't act- we will see Obama in this second term- and with the voter mandate he received- jumping on that precendent of "new tools" put in the toolbox by GW...
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
:lol: :lol: Remember when I told you how GW was making "precedent" with some of the 290 Executive Orders he issued (not counting Presidential Directives or the 161 signing statements)... Many which entered all new ground of usurping power by the Administrative Branch of government...

And how I warned you that Congress's failure to challenge them could come back and bite the country (and R's ) in the butt (if there ever was a D President again)...And the Dem Congress was complaining about Congress giving up too much power and warning that once you put those tools in a Presidential toolbox- you are never going to get them out...

While Obama hasn't even issued half as many with 145 as of 12/21/2012-- I have a feeling if Congress stays dysfunctional and can't act- we will see Obama in this second term- and with the voter mandate he received- jumping on that precendent of "new tools" put in the toolbox by GW...

Administrative branch? That's a new one on me.

As long as there have been 3 branches (executive, legislative, judicial) of US government there have been power struggles amongst them. Those power struggles will continue.

And while GWB's administration was guilty of its share of intrusive moves on the legislative and judicial branches, never in my adult life have I seen the legislative branch (the US Senate in particular) so eager to cut off its own nuts in order to promote the policies of a same-party president.

I know GWB's intrusions really bothered you OT, and I'd ask why Obama gets a pass, but I already know the answer, so, nevermind.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
:lol: :lol: Remember when I told you how GW was making "precedent" with some of the 290 Executive Orders he issued (not counting Presidential Directives or the 161 signing statements)... Many which entered all new ground of usurping power by the Administrative Branch of government...

And how I warned you that Congress's failure to challenge them could come back and bite the country (and R's ) in the butt (if there ever was a D President again)...And the Dem Congress was complaining about Congress giving up too much power and warning that once you put those tools in a Presidential toolbox- you are never going to get them out...

While Obama hasn't even issued half as many with 145 as of 12/21/2012-- I have a feeling if Congress stays dysfunctional and can't act- we will see Obama in this second term- and with the voter mandate he received- jumping on that precendent of "new tools" put in the toolbox by GW...

Man you are so phucking redundant & childish you stink to high heaven. :roll:

Now you're blaming Bush for Buckwheat's EO's? Get a life!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HA3jwOFjHhw
 

Steve

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so far Obama has legislated immigration policy to the point it has all but neutered any existing immigration laws

He has gone to war in Libya without even asking for a resolution of support..

So for him to take more steps is not without presence..

he will do it on gun control.. and just keep on spending... until he is stopped..


without a backbone.. congress is worthless..
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
Steve said:
so far Obama has legislated immigration policy to the point it has all but neutered any existing immigration laws

He has gone to war in Libya without even asking for a resolution of support..

So for him to take more steps is not without presence..

he will do it on gun control.. and just keep on spending... until he is stopped..


without a backbone.. congress is worthless..

:agree:
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
:lol: :lol: Remember when I told you how GW was making "precedent" with some of the 290 Executive Orders he issued (not counting Presidential Directives or the 161 signing statements)... Many which entered all new ground of usurping power by the Administrative Branch of government...

And how I warned you that Congress's failure to challenge them could come back and bite the country (and R's ) in the butt (if there ever was a D President again)...And the Dem Congress was complaining about Congress giving up too much power and warning that once you put those tools in a Presidential toolbox- you are never going to get them out...

While Obama hasn't even issued half as many with 145 as of 12/21/2012-- I have a feeling if Congress stays dysfunctional and can't act- we will see Obama in this second term- and with the voter mandate he received- jumping on that precendent of "new tools" put in the toolbox by GW...



http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/02/the-use-and-abuse-of-executive-orders-and-other-presidential-directives
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
:lol: :lol: Remember when I told you how GW was making "precedent" with some of the 290 Executive Orders he issued (not counting Presidential Directives or the 161 signing statements)... Many which entered all new ground of usurping power by the Administrative Branch of government...

And how I warned you that Congress's failure to challenge them could come back and bite the country (and R's ) in the butt (if there ever was a D President again)...And the Dem Congress was complaining about Congress giving up too much power and warning that once you put those tools in a Presidential toolbox- you are never going to get them out...

While Obama hasn't even issued half as many with 145 as of 12/21/2012-- I have a feeling if Congress stays dysfunctional and can't act- we will see Obama in this second term- and with the voter mandate he received- jumping on that precendent of "new tools" put in the toolbox by GW...



http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/02/the-use-and-abuse-of-executive-orders-and-other-presidential-directives



Former President Bill Clinton proudly publicized his use of executive decrees in situations where he failed to achieve a legislative objective. Moreover, he repeatedly flaunted his executive order power to curry favor with narrow or partisan special interests. If this were not enough, Clinton's top White House political advisers made public statements about his use of executive decrees that were designed to incite a partisan response, saying, for example, that the power was "cool" and promising that he would wield that power to the very end of his term.2


:eek:
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
He is arrogant. And why not? No one ever stops him...he does just
as he wants...so far...




Name ONE THING...JUST ONE....that you can't do today that you could do the day before Pres. Obama's first day in office?

ONE THING.

Not a whole paragraph nor a lecture....just ONE THING
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Steve said:
so far Obama has legislated immigration policy to the point it has all but neutered any existing immigration laws

He has gone to war in Libya without even asking for a resolution of support..

So for him to take more steps is not without presence..

he will do it on gun control.. and just keep on spending... until he is stopped..


without a backbone.. congress is worthless..


Notice how this " war" with Libya is OVER and didn't last 10 yrs with no end in sight??

And over 4000+ Americans didn't die in the process...and still continue to die to this day!!!!
 

jigs

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Faster horses said:
He is arrogant. And why not? No one ever stops him...he does just
as he wants...so far...




Name ONE THING...JUST ONE....that you can't do today that you could do the day before Pres. Obama's first day in office?

ONE THING.

Not a whole paragraph nor a lecture....just ONE THING

I can not travel to any other nation and proudly tell them where I am from, who my President is, and that I think America is headed in the right direction
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Faster horses said:
He is arrogant. And why not? No one ever stops him...he does just
as he wants...so far...




Name ONE THING...JUST ONE....that you can't do today that you could do the day before Pres. Obama's first day in office?

ONE THING.

Not a whole paragraph nor a lecture....just ONE THING

I cannot say that the national debt is $6 Trillion.

I cannont say that Gitmo is closed, something I was sure I'd be able to say during 2009.

When in the US, I cannot buy a gallon of gasoline for what it cost me the day before Obama's first day in office.
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
jigs said:
kolanuraven said:
Faster horses said:
He is arrogant. And why not? No one ever stops him...he does just
as he wants...so far...




Name ONE THING...JUST ONE....that you can't do today that you could do the day before Pres. Obama's first day in office?

ONE THING.

Not a whole paragraph nor a lecture....just ONE THING

I can not travel to any other nation and proudly tell them where I am from, who my President is, and that I think America is headed in the right direction


Well, that's your own fault being on " the list" with the Men in Black.

Hell, I doubt you can go across town without a beeper going off somewhere in DC
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Name ONE THING...JUST ONE....that you can't do today that you could do the day before Pres. Obama's first day in office?

ONE THING.

Not a whole paragraph nor a lecture....just ONE THING

I cannot buy gas at $2.60 a gallon. I cannot and did not keep the people employed that I had in 2008. I do not "net" as much money as I did in 2008. I cannot refuse insurance to the people who work for me nor limit certain coverages as I use to do. I cannot buy an incandescent light bulb. I cannot say we have never had a Kenyan as president. I cannot say America is the best place in the world to live. I cannot say I am getting $12 per thousand cubic feet for natural gas.

Last but not least "I cannot wait for this idiot to get out of the White House and take his Mob with him".

Shall I keep going??
 
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