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we pay to feed,clothes,medicate and shelter these bastards

nonothing

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Who speaks for the victims of those we execute?

All over the country, news stories bemoan and hype the countdown to execution number 1,000. But where are the stories regarding the ripple effects of the heinous crimes that these murderers were executed for committing? Who is counting the victims?

A conservative estimate puts the number of victims of these 1,000 murderers at 1,895. Why do we hear so much about the killers and so little about the victims and their loved ones who are left behind to pick up the pieces?

A small sampling of case histories will leave readers shaken.

Melvin and Linda Lorenz and their son Richard were killed by Roger Stafford. Melvin stopped on a highway near Purcell, Okla., to help what he thought was a woman whose car had broken down, but instead was ambushed by Stafford and his brother, using Stafford's wife as bait. Less than a month after these horrific murders, the trio killed six employees of a steak house in Oklahoma City.

In 1985, 13-year-old Karen Patterson was shot to death in her bed in North Charleston, S.C. Her killer was a neighbor who had already served 10 years of a life sentence for murdering his half-brother Charles in 1970. Joe Atkins cut the Pattersons' phone lines, then entered bearing a machete, a sawed-off shotgun, and a pistol. Karen's parents were chased out of their home by Atkins. Karen's mom ran to the Atkins home nearby, where Joe then murdered his adopted father, Benjamin Atkins, 75, who had worked to persuade parole authorities to release Joe from the life sentence.

When Katy Davis observed three strangers outside her Austin, Texas, apartment, she walked away. Returning later, she was attacked and forced to open the door by Charles Rector, on parole for a previous murder. The men ransacked her apartment, abducted her and took her to a lake where she was beaten, gang-raped, shot in the head and repeatedly forced underwater until she drowned.

Ruby Longsworth of Pasadena, Texas, met Jeffrey Barney through a prison ministry, then helped him get paroled from an auto-theft sentence. Her kindness was repaid when Barney raped and sodomized her, then strangled her with a cord. She had made the mistake of calling Barney "a bum" after she had gotten to know him better.

In 1965, Robert Massie murdered mother of two Mildred Weiss in San Gabriel, Calif., during a follow-home robbery. Hours before execution, a stay was issued so Massie could testify against his accomplice. Massie's sentence was commuted to life when the Supreme Court halted executions in 1972. Receiving an undeserved second chance, Massie was paroled, but eight months later robbed and murdered businessman Boris Naumoff in San Francisco.

Faith Hathaway was 17 when she was murdered by Robert Willie, whose story became the inspiration for the film Dead Man Walking. Hathaway had just graduated from high school and was leaving for the Army the next day. She was abducted after leaving a farewell party in Mandeville, La. Willie and accomplice Joseph Vaccaro had been on an 8-day murder, robbery and rape spree. Hathaway was raped by both assailants and stabbed 17 times. She was raped again after she died.

Kenneth Boyd murdered his estranged wife Julie and his father-in-law, Dillard Curry in Rockingham County, N.C. Julie and her children were living with Curry. Boyd entered the home and shot them both in the presence of his own children, then ages 13, 12 and 10.

We must think about the lives that all 1,895 murdered victims affected. Every one had families, friends, relatives, co-workers, neighbors. The combined loss is incalculable.

There is no end to horror stories like these. Jurors, who represent us, hear about horrific crimes and make tough but appropriate decisions. With a yearly average of 15,000 murders, the fact that we are reaching 1,000 executions in only a little more than 30 years is proof that capital punishment has been reserved for the worst of the worst.

The attention given to the execution of 1,000 murderers is repugnant, especially when the loudest voices think the death of a convicted murderer is a tragedy. Yet the deaths and suffering of countless victims is only an easily-ignored statistic




its a shame our taxs dollars are wasted on these wastes of skin.........when a bullet only costs a quarter
 

nonothing

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i think i most cases of death row nmates they DO NOT know there victims.before they victimize them....and i think 3 squares a day a warm bed ,free medical and cable is a tax payers nightmare.....save the 80 grand a year cost for one inmate and help out the homeless in the country....you treat your inmates better then your veterens and elderly for crying out loud....its a taxition travisty and just the cost of lighting a place for these dregs of society would go along way to feeding poor children and having better social programs....so the blood money as you call it could go into building a boy rather then trying to mend a man.
 

nonothing

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steve c writes
In any case, revenge belongs to God, not to Ebeneezer Scrooge trying to save a buck.





who says god decides on revenge ....steve what if there is no god to seek out revenge?You claim to be a smart man so quoting blind faith as the answer surprises me....and who says god does not side with the death penelty...you have heard the saying an eye for an eye......where did that come from?
 

ranchwife

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stevec----have you ever been the victim of a violent crime?? Have you lost a close loved-one to a monster who was simplyhaving a badhair day and decided to takeit out on an innocent by-stander??? If not, then you should really have NO say in how these convicted felons are treated!!! :mad: :mad: 3 square meals a day, paid medical/dental (no money what-so-ever comes from the felon), gym memberships, free college educations, they will never again have to pay for food, rent or utilities AND their families can come andvisit them whenever they want!! What about the victims survivors??? They will NEVER AGAIN GET TO HOLD THE HAND OF THEIR LOVED ONE.....HEAR THEIR VOICE....TELL THEM THAT THEY LOVE THEM.....SEE THEM AT CHRISTMAS...LOOK INTO THEIR EYES!!! What comes around, goes around Stevec!! Yes, God will have his say when the times comes....but until then, it is up to man himself to "take care of business"!! :!: :!: :!:
 

jigs

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in an argument one time about capital punishment, I was 100% for it, I was asked if I believed in it so much would I be able to throw the switch that electrocutes the person.

my reply :

not only would I throw the switch, I would pedal a stationary bike to produce the electricity to fry the bastard
 

Disagreeable

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This is only one of dozens, maybe hundreds, of people who have been shown to be innocent of crimes they were convicted of and spent years in jail. You can't bring a dead person back to life when the evidence exonerates him. Link below.

"ROBERT CLARK EXONERATED BY DNA EVIDENCE AFTER 24 YEARS IN PRISON"

http://www.innocenceproject.org/docs/ClarkPressRelease.pdf
 

nonothing

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as ussaul you pick out just the pionts you want to argue stevie....I guess the rest makes sense or that to would be argued....you of all people quoting the bible.....tell me steve c what do you say to someone who may not believe your book to be law? I also gather you think they (Prisoners) deserve to be taking care of with food and shelter compared to that of a 4 star all inclusive resort....ok so they cant go snorkling in prison no need to take that quote out now...in my opinion it is better to build the boy,why do you say full of hate,never suggested that .I am just tired of bleeding hearts who think a prison should be a hotel and hospitals should close....your a dissgrace to the institution that educated you...unless it was sanquenton.......
 

jigs

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can you imagine the brawl that would erupt if Stevec was sitting in the chair and we were all rushing to pull the switch?????

I don't believe in hitting women, but if there was one in my way, I sure would move her in a hurry to get to the switch! :wink: :twisted:
 

nonothing

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No one disputes that an innocent sentenced to death is a horrible result. Appeals and commutation/clemency deliberations are an integral and inescapable part of a criminal justice system that both anticipate error and provide remedy. Both sides of the death penalty debate are equally concerned about the moral implication of executing an innocent. Those of us who support execution recognize that any innocents sentenced to death or executed injure our position.

A concern for the innocent will result in a rejection of a moratorium and more support for executions. Either by a moratorium, or by outright repeal, stopping executions will always put many more innocents at risk. Death penalty opponents knows this. Their alleged concern for innocents is but another distortion based campaign to end the death penalty.

When reason and all the facts prevail, support for executions will rise
 

nonothing

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what is wrong with punching back .......sometimes stevec you have to cut the cancer off or kill it sometimes...it is also said an eye for an eye....tell me why its ok to treat prisoners so much better then your veterens and elderly?.....why the victims families taxes go towards feeding and clothing those that KILL their sons or daughter.......answer me please?
 

nonothing

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nothing but biblical rederic from you stevec.....who are you to say only god and the devil excist?...again you never answered my questions on why these family should pay to house and feed thier sons or daughters killers........death row inmates are not there for stealing cars .....they are if you are right players of the devils hand...please dont argue on religon the proof of the devil excisting must first be proven not just made up in some book that modern sinners read between 11am and 12 pm on a sunday.....you arguement lacks proof and ignorance......open your eyes stevec not all share your faith and i hope that those in goverment realize that the right thing is not always in the good book....for interputation leads to mass hysteria and until you have read the origal scripture all you are doing is reading another interputation of a much older book
 

koj

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stevec wrote: You are right, we should cut out the cancer. That is why scripture says it is better to cut off your hand if your hand sins, they to remain whole and full of sin. It isn't talking about attacking others, it is about restraining your own sins.


So are you saying we should severly disable murderers and cut off the reproductive organs of rapists. How about gouging out the eyes of peeping toms, or sticking a broom handle up the hind end of a soddomist. Choose your arguements carefully stevec. People can spin your words too :wink:
 

BBJ

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koj said:
stevec wrote: You are right, we should cut out the cancer. That is why scripture says it is better to cut off your hand if your hand sins, they to remain whole and full of sin. It isn't talking about attacking others, it is about restraining your own sins.


So are you saying we should severly disable murderers and cut off the reproductive organs of rapists. How about gouging out the eyes of peeping toms, or sticking a broom handle up the hind end of a soddomist. Choose your arguements carefully stevec. People can spin your words too :wink:
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Frankk

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koj said:
stevec wrote: You are right, we should cut out the cancer. That is why scripture says it is better to cut off your hand if your hand sins, they to remain whole and full of sin. It isn't talking about attacking others, it is about restraining your own sins.


So are you saying we should severly disable murderers and cut off the reproductive organs of rapists. How about gouging out the eyes of peeping toms, or sticking a broom handle up the hind end of a soddomist. Choose your arguements carefully stevec. People can spin your words too :wink:
You do know you are taking that scripture out of context right?
 
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