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Weapons control I can handle

passin thru

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Make all teachers know all aspects of weapons. How to handle, disarm etc., plus all aspects of self defense. Maybe even a scope largeer than teachers.
 

kolanuraven

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Not a bad idea.

But sometimes you have teachers/administrators crazier than students, you'd have to take a lot of factors into consideration.
 

nonothing

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Why not make guns and weapons a part of the grade 7 curriculum.....I think each American citizen over the age of 21 should be given a hand gun by the government...Go back to the old west,If someone pisses you off in the bar,no more fist fights,just shoot the bastard...Or you get cut off on the free way,don't flip them the bird,just shoot them....each Sunday after Church towns could have High noon duels between disgruntled people..Maybe even Hank williams junior could sing the opening to Monday night gun down....lol..I say bring on the guns,cause everyone is entitled to one...I just wonder if everyone owning a gun is a good thing...I guess alcohol never became a problem for anyone when it became available to all over 21...So get your guns and enjoy.....
 

kolanuraven

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You have to pass a test(s) to drive a car, be a beautician, sell real estate, do manicures, be an undertaker, etc.

I think you should be allowed to own a gun if you take and pass some type of education course that teaches you the basic knowledge of how a gun works, why it works, and the safety of a gun.

Soooo many people are killed by accident due to lack of knowledge. I know this has diddle squat to do with the " bad guys' getting guns BUT if the " other" people who own guns are more informed about them maybe it will lessen the accidents ( even to innocent by -standers during a crime)

Just my humble opinion!

NN..most of us grew up around guns of various types and sizes and really think nothing of owning one or several. In fact, I myself think it odd that some people DO NOT own some sort of gun. :wink: I own probably way too many to be honest.

I use them for critters and for protection ,IF I need it. I have been trained on how to use a gun correctly and I am licensed ( to carry concealed) AND I have been trained in self defense if it ever came to that.

I have no problem with guns. If others choose NOT to make them a part of their life, well that's OK to me I don't make judgements on them one way or the other. We've all got to do what makes us comfortable.

In fact, there is a local gang of 7th graders that I allowed to go coon hunting on my back creek area. Those little buggers are in there @ 2AM sometimes with their very real guns. I know where they are, their parents know where they are...and they are not out running around getting into drugs and other trouble that is so prominent , even in the boonies where I live.
 

passin thru

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When we were in school we all had a hunter ed class in seventh................and guess what no one got shot and not a one of us ended up in a life of crime. I don't think everyone should have a gun.........they need at least two. You are never ever going to get the guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for carnage. Never. Gun control programs will only succeed in getting the guns out of the hands of people who want them and need them for self-defense. Never, in the history of America's gun control movement, has anyone set forth a viable program to get the guns out of the hands of those who would use them to commit crimes. Similarly, the gun control movement will never give any fair coverage at all to the people who use guns to save their own lives, or the lives of others.


"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878

Some of the less educated will come forth with lines of thought like "We don't want to return to the wild, wild west." Why not? What research have you put into your clever little "wild wild west" line? Do you know anything about the actual crime rates in the so-called wild west? Would you be surprised to learn that the crime rate in what we now refer to as the "wild wild west" was actually lower than it is in most American cities now? And why would that be?................................... Because people were armed, for one thing. People were armed, and the bad guys knew that people were armed.

What about people with concealed carry permits. Do you think they're dangerous? Do you think they're just wandering around ready to pull their gun and start shooting at the slightest provocation? Again ............... check the statistics. People with concealed carry permits are among the most law abiding people in the nation.
 

nonothing

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PT and KOLO,would you like the idea of every america carrying a concealed hand gun wherever they go?Do you think hand gun deaths would go down if every American was packing? I think both of you are responsible gun carries but even you both agree it is protection.I just want to know when would you use it on another?Where is your line to kill crossed.?Is it one foot onto your property,is it looking into your house from the outside? Is it not until hands are around your neck? When is it self defense and when is it just fear of something that might happen?

It is such an individual responsibly that I think many people cannot handle.How you decide who should own and who should not is another question.I do believe guns create killers,be it a bad or good person.
 

nonothing

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To mr PT


Some of the less educated will come forth with lines of thought like "We don't want to return to the wild, wild west." Why not? What research have you put into your clever little "wild wild west" line? Do you know anything about the actual crime rates in the so-called wild west? Would you be surprised to learn that the crime rate in what we now refer to as the "wild wild west" was actually lower than it is in most American cities now? And why would that be?................................... Because people were armed, for one thing. People were armed, and the bad guys knew that people were armed.

I wonder how many gun related deaths in the wild west days were even reported.I am for you all owning guns,I think the irresponsible people would raise the death rate 10 fold if all owned guns....I am not for banning guns.I say fill your boots.I just also see many more gun related deaths is all.That is however the constitutional right to die by gun fire as it is to own a gun.So if you need the word out about stopping gun control count me in.I can just imagine how much court time will be used up dealing with it all.maybe taking out the bad guys is not such a bad idea.
 

Soapweed

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nonothing said:
I wonder how many gun related deaths in the wild west days were even reported.I am for you all owning guns,I think the irresponsible people would raise the death rate 10 fold if all owned guns....I am not for banning guns.I say fill your boots.I just also see many more gun related deaths is all.That is however the constitutional right to die by gun fire as it is to own a gun.So if you need the word out about stopping gun control count me in.I can just imagine how much court time will be used up dealing with it all.maybe taking out the bad guys is not such a bad idea.

Hey, nonothing, you are starting to show real promise. Keep hanging out with country folks and you will come around to some good conservative common sense values. :wink: :)
 

passin thru

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NN , thanks for you response. I think the news media has created a hysteria and created a doom and gloom. Kooks are kooks and a gun will not make a law abiding citizen into a crazy if he automatically carries a gun. I think you are coming around. Just do not( and we all can be guilty of this at times), believe what you read at face value. We need to double check what we are told.
Remember what all criminals say..............they look for the easy prey.............are we easy prey?
Also remember that there are way more guns on the street you walk down than you see. You will never see the majority of these guns but them being there is a crime prevention statistic that can never measured. The criminals know though.



"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." - Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850. 2, col. 2.


The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible." - Senator Hubert H. Humprey (D-Minnesota)

"...to disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them..." - George Mason

"God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it." - Daniel Webster




We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily - given the political realities - going to be very modest. Of course, it's true that politicians will then go home and say, `This is a great law. The problem is solved.' And it's also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time. So then we'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal - total control of handguns in the United States - is going to take time. My estimate is from seven to ten years. The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get all handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition - except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors - totally illegal."- Mr.. Nelson T. Shields, III. "Pete" founder of the National Council To Control Handguns, which became Handgun Control, Inc. quoted from July 26, 1976 issue of The New Yorker Interview "A Reporter At Large - Handguns", page 53.


Thanks for the time NN
 

Texan

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kolanuraven said:
You have to pass a test(s) to drive a car, be a beautician, sell real estate, do manicures, be an undertaker, etc.
Yeah, but you don't have to pass a test to practice freedom of speech.

Nor do you have to pass a test to practice freedom of religion.

Nor do you have to pass a test to be secure in your home against unreasonable search and seizure.

Nor do you...

You get the point?

If not, maybe we should also make YOU have to pass a test before the 19th Amendment applies to you.

In fact, the more I think about it... :lol:
 

passin thru

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Steve

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NoNothing
would you like the idea of every American carrying a concealed hand gun wherever they go?

Why concealed?

I say if you want to have a gun then why hide it?

I am totally against gun control laws....I believe they are ineffective...criminals still have and get guns....so the law doesn't do anything....other the dis-arm lawful citizens...

as for the shoot out on Sunday...

Not a bad idea....go to church....then show up for the high noon shoot out..

Might actually force some people to deal with their problems. (or at least think before they piss off every one in town)
 

Steve

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kolanuraven wrote:
You have to pass a test(s) to drive a car, be a beautician, sell real estate, do manicures, be an undertaker, etc.

Yeah, but you don't have to pass a test to practice freedom of speech.

Nor do you have to pass a test to practice freedom of religion.

Nor do you have to pass a test to be secure in your home against unreasonable search and seizure.

Nor do you...

You get the point?

If not, maybe we should also make YOU have to pass a test before the 19th Amendment applies to you.

In fact, the more I think about it...

well said Texan!!! :lol: :) :) :)
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
Why not make guns and weapons a part of the grade 7 curriculum.....I think each American citizen over the age of 21 should be given a hand gun by the government...Go back to the old west,If someone p***** you off in the bar,no more fist fights,just shoot the bastard...Or you get cut off on the free way,don't flip them the bird,just shoot them....each Sunday after Church towns could have High noon duels between disgruntled people..Maybe even Hank williams junior could sing the opening to Monday night gun down....lol..I say bring on the guns,cause everyone is entitled to one...I just wonder if everyone owning a gun is a good thing...I guess alcohol never became a problem for anyone when it became available to all over 21...So get your guns and enjoy.....

Nonothing, you have finally learned from here! Good post! Glad to see you have came around! Great ideas :lol:
 

kolanuraven

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TExAN & PT: Freedom of speech won't kill you or anyone else, ( they might WANT to kill you afterwards), but the very act of it doesn't cause death. You get my meaning fully, your just wanting to start a fuss and I'm not taking the bait on this one!

NN, I wont' go into detail but I carry a weapon for 2 reasons. A present day situation/threat that has yet to work itself out and a situation in the past. If then I had had a weapon, any thing, on me at the time a lot of horrible things would have never happened!

Apparently things of this sort have never happened to you and I surely it hope it never does because it will affect/effect your way of looking at things greatly!

I had friends come to my home and instantly get edgy when they saw several rifles out in the open. I have been asked to put them away in my own home because my guest(s) said they were uncomfortable. I told them if it bothered them so, quit looking at them and stay out the area they are in as it was my home. The guns are still in place and these folks are still my friends.
 

quickdraw

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Gun control is hitting what you aim at!!!

If gun control is so great why are there more gun related deaths in D.C. where guns are against the law? NEW YORK? Chicago? Very srtict gun laws in these areas and cities yet the gun related deaths are very high as is the overall crime rate.
No amount of gun control will stop a sicko of killing people, but an armed citizen might prevent a lot more bloodshed. What if that professor had been armed and shot back at the intruder on the other side of that door. how many lives might have been saved?
Just a thought.
 
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