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Well I be Damned Japanese want M COOL too

HAY MAKER

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Anti-U.S. Beef Activists Well
Represented At Japan Hearings

By Richard Smith

TOKYO — Consumer group and food industry representatives expressed serious doubts over the effectiveness of additional U.S. anti-BSE measures at the first four of 10 hearings conducted throughout Japan from June 1 through 14.

The hearings are conducted by officials from Japan's ministries of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, and of Health, Labor and Welfare.

The officials explained additional anti-BSE measures the U.S. implemented, following March and May meetings here between a technical team led by USDA acting undersecretary for marketing and regulatory programs Chuck Lambert, and Japanese counterparts.

The U.S. officials told the Japanese side all 35 plants that want to export beef to Japan have manuals on how to remove the forbidden parts, and their workers underwent training for that purpose. Parts not on a list of permitted products will not be included in shipments.

Both sides agreed Japan will send inspectors to verify the plants before import resumption, and Japanese inspectors can accompany FSIS and AMS inspectors on an unannounced basis to inspect plants after resumption. Japan will also reinforce inspections at entry points.

The additional measures have been implemented to prevent a recurrence of the January 20 incident when backbone, a forbidden part under anti-BSE export to Japan rules, was discovered in a veal shipment from Atlantic Veal and Lamb of Brooklyn, New York.

Reacting to the mishap, the Japanese government reimposed a ban on U.S. beef after lifting a two-year interdiction because of BSE the previous month.

Media here reported last month the Japanese government wants to lift the ban before Japanese prime minister Junichiro Koizumi's summit talks with president Bush at the end of this month. An announcement after the summit would make the government appear to give in to U.S. pressure.

"Why are you in such a hurry? We don't think safety is really assured," said one of 100 participants at the June 1 hearing in the city of Sendai.

"Can (the additional measures) prevent a recurrence?" said another speaker, the Tokyo-based agricultural daily Nihon Nogyo Shimbun reported.

The newspaper reported a consumer group representative asked whether the Japanese government would reimpose a total ban if another human error occurs.

"Can consumer and other groups participate in plant inspections?" another one said.

Fears over U.S. beef safety have not been stilled, said a speaker the next day in Naha, the capital of Japan's southern island of Okinawa.

"Citizens' trust is far from recovered. We want you to delay import renewal," said another, reported one of the city's dailies, Ryukyu Shimpo.

One of 200 participants at the May 5 hearing in Sapporo, the capital of the big northern island of Hokkaido, said daily Japanese inspections at U.S. processing plants would be necessary, Nihon Nogyo Shimbun reported.

"We want the beef's origin indicated on restaurant menus by law," said a consumer group representative.
The latter demand was repeated the following day in the city of Nagoya, Nihon Nogyo Shimbun reported.

"Considering U.S. feedlot rules and other issues, we don't want to eat U.S. beef," a consumer group representative said.
 

Tam

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I doubt the Japanese want M'COOL for the same reason the US wants it. :wink:
How many different ways can the Japanese say they don't trust the US system in one article
"Why are you in such a hurry? We don't think safety is really assured,"
"Can (the additional measures) prevent a recurrence?"
Fears over U.S. beef safety have not been stilled,
"Citizens' trust is far from recovered. We want you to delay import renewal,"
"Considering U.S. feedlot rules and other issues, we don't want to eat U.S. beef,"
Haymaker are the US consumers saying they don't trust the imported beef therefore they want it labeled Like Japanese consumers are saying about US beef? or is the real push for M'COOL in the US coming from the US producers in hope that the US consumers will show loyality to the US beef and eat it instead of the just as safe if not safer imported beef?
What is going to happen to US beef demand if you label it and the US consumers figure out that they are eating something that the Japanese don't trust. Will the US consumers see that US label and say well if the Japanese wouldn't eat it maybe we shouldn't either and then turn and buy the imported beef from Canada and other countries that the Japanese are importing from. You better watch what you ask for as the result could be the downfall not the saving of an industry. :?
 

HAY MAKER

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Tam said:
I doubt the Japanese want M'COOL for the same reason the US wants it. :wink:
How many different ways can the Japanese say they don't trust the US system in one article
"Why are you in such a hurry? We don't think safety is really assured,"
"Can (the additional measures) prevent a recurrence?"
Fears over U.S. beef safety have not been stilled,
"Citizens' trust is far from recovered. We want you to delay import renewal,"
"Considering U.S. feedlot rules and other issues, we don't want to eat U.S. beef,"
Haymaker are the US consumers saying they don't trust the imported beef therefore they want it labeled Like Japanese consumers are saying about US beef? or is the real push for M'COOL in the US coming from the US producers in hope that the US consumers will show loyality to the US beef and eat it instead of the just as safe if not safer imported beef?
What is going to happen to US beef demand if you label it and the US consumers figure out that they are eating something that the Japanese don't trust. Will the US consumers see that US label and say well if the Japanese wouldn't eat it maybe we shouldn't either and then turn and buy the imported beef from Canada and other countries that the Japanese are importing from. You better watch what you ask for as the result could be the downfall not the saving of an industry. :?

The japanese are leary of US beef because they have no way of knowing its orgin,,USA ? Mexico ? Canada ?I think you will see in the long run who captures the japanese market.
No its not the producer that is pushing for M COOL its the American consumer,as a producer I know the American consumer is going to buy the best beef they can afford,I get a laugh outa you canuckle heads being scared to death to go toe to toe with your neighbor to the south on M COOL,if I was a Canuckle head producer I would be demanding that maple leaf on my product .................good luck
 

HAY MAKER

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Big Muddy rancher said:
Haymaker who is shipping beef to Japan right now? Canada or the USA?


Do we need a poll to find out?

The last I heard canada was shipping beef,something like a whopping 50 pounds ? to a niche market............good luck
 

HAY MAKER

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HAY MAKER said:
Tam said:
I doubt the Japanese want M'COOL for the same reason the US wants it. :wink:
How many different ways can the Japanese say they don't trust the US system in one article
"Why are you in such a hurry? We don't think safety is really assured,"
"Can (the additional measures) prevent a recurrence?"
Fears over U.S. beef safety have not been stilled,
"Citizens' trust is far from recovered. We want you to delay import renewal,"
"Considering U.S. feedlot rules and other issues, we don't want to eat U.S. beef,"
Haymaker are the US consumers saying they don't trust the imported beef therefore they want it labeled Like Japanese consumers are saying about US beef? or is the real push for M'COOL in the US coming from the US producers in hope that the US consumers will show loyality to the US beef and eat it instead of the just as safe if not safer imported beef?
What is going to happen to US beef demand if you label it and the US consumers figure out that they are eating something that the Japanese don't trust. Will the US consumers see that US label and say well if the Japanese wouldn't eat it maybe we shouldn't either and then turn and buy the imported beef from Canada and other countries that the Japanese are importing from. You better watch what you ask for as the result could be the downfall not the saving of an industry. :?

The japanese are leary of US beef because they have no way of knowing its orgin,,USA ? Mexico ? Canada ?I think you will see in the long run who captures the japanese market.
No its not the producer that is pushing for M COOL its the American consumer,as a producer I know the American consumer is going to buy the best beef they can afford,I get a laugh outa you canuckle heads being scared to death to go toe to toe with your neighbor to the south on M COOL,if I was a canadian producer I would be demanding that maple leaf on my product .................good luck
 

Tam

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HAY MAKER said:
Tam said:
I doubt the Japanese want M'COOL for the same reason the US wants it. :wink:
How many different ways can the Japanese say they don't trust the US system in one article
"Why are you in such a hurry? We don't think safety is really assured,"
"Can (the additional measures) prevent a recurrence?"
Fears over U.S. beef safety have not been stilled,
"Citizens' trust is far from recovered. We want you to delay import renewal,"
"Considering U.S. feedlot rules and other issues, we don't want to eat U.S. beef,"
Haymaker are the US consumers saying they don't trust the imported beef therefore they want it labeled Like Japanese consumers are saying about US beef? or is the real push for M'COOL in the US coming from the US producers in hope that the US consumers will show loyality to the US beef and eat it instead of the just as safe if not safer imported beef?
What is going to happen to US beef demand if you label it and the US consumers figure out that they are eating something that the Japanese don't trust. Will the US consumers see that US label and say well if the Japanese wouldn't eat it maybe we shouldn't either and then turn and buy the imported beef from Canada and other countries that the Japanese are importing from. You better watch what you ask for as the result could be the downfall not the saving of an industry. :?

The japanese are leary of US beef because they have no way of knowing its orgin,,USA ? Mexico ? Canada ?I think you will see in the long run who captures the japanese market.
No its not the producer that is pushing for M COOL its the American consumer,as a producer I know the American consumer is going to buy the best beef they can afford,I get a laugh outa you canuckle heads being scared to death to go toe to toe with your neighbor to the south on M COOL,if I was a Canuckle head producer I would be demanding that maple leaf on my produuct .................good luck

Did I miss where the Japanese said we don't want to eat Canadian or Mexican beef? I thought I read we don't want to eat US BEEF Where does it say Fears from Canadian or Mexican beef safety have not been stilled Haymaker?
It was not Canadian and Mexican packing industry that shipped ban material that they fear will happen again if the exports re-open. It was the US system.

And as we have told you hundreds of times our beef is marked with a Maple leaf, it doesn't loose it until it hits your markets. The Canadian producers are proud enough to tag our cattle back to birthplace are you???? Isn't it true that, through M'COOL, only meat counterbeef, will be marked US BEEF by default as you don't want the consumers to actually know who raised your beef? Show some Pride Haymaker let the consumers really know where their beef comes from WITHIN THE US. Maybe if they knew it came from Texas or Alabama they would choose not to eat it just to be safe. :wink:
 

HAY MAKER

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Yes Miss Tam,sadly you are right, our M COOL law leaves alot to be desired,the AMI is a powerful opponet,and with people like you protecting and supporting them it gets tough to bring some fairness to the cattle men,just one of the reasons why cattle men formed this group called R CALF.................good luck
 

Manitoba_Rancher

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Haymaker I find it hard to believe that average every day joe consumer is asking for MCOOL. We have relations in the US even in TX and when we talk about MCOOL they ask what the hell that is?......
 

mrj

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Guys, there are producers using their own money to put their name on the beef they raise and sell in the USA.

Haymaker and friends just want all of us to pay for the "Product of USA" label IMPLYING there is source verification on their beef because they say so, but darn sure don't dare ID any of it so it can be tracked back to them if there is a problem!!!!

MRJ
 

the chief

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Tam:
Will the US consumers see that US label and say well if the Japanese wouldn't eat it maybe we shouldn't either and then turn and buy the imported beef from Canada and other countries that the Japanese are importing from. You better watch what you ask for as the result could be the downfall not the saving of an industry.

Seeing how you are from Sask., Tam, I would think then that you would want US to label it so you can benefit from the US consumers' fears. :roll:
 

Jason

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It's funny how the real issues Canadians are against regarding Mcool keep getting ignored.

It was the segregation of product, not allowing Canadian product in the same trucks or feezer space as US beef. The labeling of Canadian beef as from "Other" countries.

Make it a fair law include ID and watch Canadian beef compete.
 

Econ101

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Jason said:
It's funny how the real issues Canadians are against regarding Mcool keep getting ignored.

It was the segregation of product, not allowing Canadian product in the same trucks or feezer space as US beef. The labeling of Canadian beef as from "Other" countries.

Make it a fair law include ID and watch Canadian beef compete.

Instead of telling the U.S. what to do, Jason, why don't you do it in your own country first? Put ID all the way to the retail customer.
 

Jason

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We could care less if the US has a Mcool law, as long as it is fairly and equally applied so as not to be in violation of trade agreements we have in place.

Calling a spade a spade is not telling another country what to do, however if that country tries to bully their best trading partner, we have the right to defend ourselves.

Isn't that the same rationale the US had for invading Iraq?
 

Econ101

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Jason said:
We could care less if the US has a Mcool law, as long as it is fairly and equally applied so as not to be in violation of trade agreements we have in place.

Calling a spade a spade is not telling another country what to do, however if that country tries to bully their best trading partner, we have the right to defend ourselves.

Isn't that the same rationale the US had for invading Iraq?

You are argueing a two faced joke, Jason. We don't have a North American Free Trade Agreement. Look at lumber on your side and look a the poultry industry on your side. It is a big lie and you can't even recognize it.

How are you defending yourselves?

I have stated before that I don't think Canadian cattle would be a problem in the stores except where there is real resentmen towards Canadians such as Montana where Canadian cattle policy has been two faced.

I am glad to see the new rules on blue tounge.
 
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Anonymous

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Jason said:
We could care less if the US has a Mcool law, as long as it is fairly and equally applied so as not to be in violation of trade agreements we have in place.

Calling a spade a spade is not telling another country what to do, however if that country tries to bully their best trading partner, we have the right to defend ourselves.

Isn't that the same rationale the US had for invading Iraq?

Jason- What are you babbling about :???:

Are you saying Harper is like Saddam? A ruthless dictator you need help to remove?

Or are you accusing GW? In your socialist little mind is GW a tyrant?

You guys up north have rode the shirttails of and lived off what the US built for you for so long now you aren't even thinking straight anymore..... We wouldn't even be discussing any of this if the US politicians hadn't decided to raise Mexico and Canada out of third world status- at the cost of the US producers and labor force :roll:
 
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Anonymous

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Wrong Hayseed!

Japan wants "SOURCE VERIFICATION" not the sorry "PLEASE GOVERNMENT, SAVE US FROM OURSELVES" unenforceable law that prohibited Mandatory ID called "M"COOL.

Source verification and "M"COOL are not the same.

"M"COOL segregates 95% of the beef at the retail level as US BEEF with no tracking system to prove it. That's the intelligence behind "M"COOL. Japan doesn't want an unenforceable traceback system.

Nice deception Hayseed!



~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
Wrong Hayseed!

Japan wants "SOURCE VERIFICATION" not the sorry "PLEASE GOVERNMENT, SAVE US FROM OURSELVES" unenforceable law that prohibited Mandatory ID called "M"COOL.

Source verification and "M"COOL are not the same.

"M"COOL segregates 95% of the beef at the retail level as US BEEF with no tracking system to prove it. That's the intelligence behind "M"COOL. Japan doesn't want an unenforceable traceback system.

Nice deception Hayseed!



~SH~


SH, you have misrepresented what I have said numerous times. Why should anyone believe what you say what the Japanese want?
 
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Anonymous

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What SOMEONE SAYS the Japanese are saying is trumped by what the Japanese are doing.

What are the Japanese doing?

They are importing non tested beef.


This dog, like every other mutt you let out of the truck, won't hunt either.



~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
Wrong Hayseed!

Japan wants "SOURCE VERIFICATION" not the sorry "PLEASE GOVERNMENT, SAVE US FROM OURSELVES" unenforceable law that prohibited Mandatory ID called "M"COOL.

Source verification and "M"COOL are not the same.

"M"COOL segregates 95% of the beef at the retail level as US BEEF with no tracking system to prove it. That's the intelligence behind "M"COOL. Japan doesn't want an unenforceable traceback system.

Nice deception Hayseed!



~SH~

There you go again, sh. If you are correct then why aren't they taking source verified beef from the U.S. now? We have source verified programs in the U.S. now that you have commented on. Are the Japanese getting beef from them now?
 
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