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Well I be Damned Japanese want M COOL too

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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "And they have since stopped accepting untested beef from the US."

WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH TESTING AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT A SMALL PACKER SENT THEM BONE IN PRODUCT AFTER WE HAD AGREED NOT TO SEND THEM BONE IN PRODUCT.

Canada is currently sending Japan untested beef. WHY IF THEY WANT TESTED BEEF AS YOU USDA BLAMERS CLAIM????

Because they don't care about testing, they want source verification. They know more about what they want than you do. Their actions prove it. You are caught in a time warp with an inability to abandon your worthless position.


Sandbag: "When did scientific justification become a requirement for exporting product?"

Since "BSE TESTED" implied "BSE FREE".


Sandbag: "Yet you ignore their actions of not taking any beef from us after their words of accepting the US's terms."

Unlike you, I don't ignore the obvious. The reason they are not taking any beef from us is because A SMALLER PACKER sent them bone in product which was against the terms the US agreed to.


Sandbag: "Other than the fact that the people who would do the actual buying of our product (Japanese consumers) have said they aren't interested in untested US beef and their distrust of the USDA - the fact that we aren't sending them so much as a piece of jerky now - the fact that they would surely embrace tested beef as they asked for it for two years - other than these facts, you are correct SH. Why would we "turn back the hands of time" to abandon a policy that has not worked? Talk about someone who cannot think for themselves......."

If the Japanese consumers are unwilling to buy untested beef, what are they doing with the Canadian beef KLUSO???? Throwing it away???

Another stupid argument buried.

Where did the Japanese consumer say they distrusted the USDA???

Putting words in their mouth to support your blaming agenda????

The fact that we aren't sending them beef now doesn't have a damn thing to do with testing which is obvious based on the fact that Canada is sending them untested beef.

The obvious fact that Canada is sending them untested beef blows a hole in your stupid testing theory as big as a Mac truck. The obvious is too obvious for a USDA blamer like you.


Sandbag: "If you are going to stump that, you also have to recognize their quotes from early 2006 don't trump their actions of reclosing their borders."

Their actions of reclosing their borders didn't have a damn thing to do with testing.

Like every other position you take, this is based on nothing more than "ALLEGATIONS" you can't prove and "THEORIES" you can't prove. Once again you are armed with nothing more than a need to blame and an ability to suck your thumb.

From the banker who can't spell principle. LOL!


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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Quote:
Sandbag: "When did scientific justification become a requirement for exporting product?"


SH, "Since "BSE TESTED" implied "BSE FREE". "

How can there be any implications when Creekstone's Fielding has said, "BSE tested does not mean BSE free"? Are his comments hard to understand? Isn't about time you tell us again that your "only bias is the truth"? :lol: :lol: :lol:

What does organic imply, SH?
 

Econ101

Well-known member
SH, are you excusing the lack of exports to Japan on our moral duty to make sure Japan does not "trick themselves" into thinking bse testing is something it is not?

Do you have anymore silly excuses for the incompetence at the USDA?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: 'How can there be any implications when Creekstone's Fielding has said, "BSE tested does not mean BSE free"? Are his comments hard to understand?"

Did Creekstone plan to include a disclaimer on their beef exports to Japan that said, "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE"??

Yes or No Sandbag?

Dance, little circus chicken, DANCE!



~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Sandbag: 'How can there be any implications when Creekstone's Fielding has said, "BSE tested does not mean BSE free"? Are his comments hard to understand?"

Did Creekstone plan to include a disclaimer on their beef exports to Japan that said, "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE"??

Yes or No Sandbag?

Dance, little circus chicken, DANCE!



~SH~

Does the USDA put on a disclaimer on all meat that because it is not tested, that " Ecoli or BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE or ecoli free"?

Why don't you stop the idiot arguments, SH.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Yea Sandhusker, were they going to include that label?

How about this one? NOT TESTING.... BUT LABELING AS BSE FREE!
This was BEFORE SRM removal!

Dec. 10, 2001
Honorable Ann M. Veneman
Secretary of Agriculture
U.S. Department of Agriculture
Washington, D.C. 20250

Dear Secretary Veneman:

As you know, the discovery of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in Japan is continuing to contribute to a huge market loss for U.S. beef exporters, processors and producers. This dramatic drop in exports is, of course, being translated into significantly lower U.S. cattle prices and contributing to an overall decline in U.S. agricultural exports.

All facets of the beef industry have worked closely in an effort to restore Japanese consumer confidence and revitalize this market. USDA officials have been extremely cooperative and have provided excellent information and representation on this issue both in the U.S. and Japan. The entire industry is extremely appreciative of these efforts.

The technical information supplied by USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service has been helpful in providing assurance to the Japanese meat trade that US beef products are safe. We also very much appreciate the work done by the Department, including your personal involvement, in connection with the recently released Harvard Risk Assessment.

Our beef exports to Japan, however, continue to be severely depressed. To assist in restoring confidence in U.S. beef, Japanese importers of our beef have strongly recommended that a formal "BSE Free" statement be included on all export certificates issued for shipments of U.S. beef to Japan. The U.S. beef industry fully agrees with this recommendation.

Accordingly, we request that USDA provide appropriate language on all export certificates indicating that rigorous monitoring and testing have demonstrated that BSE is not present in the U.S. cattle herd. We are confident that the inclusion of such a statement on each export certificate will help restore Japanese consumer confidence in U.S. beef, rebuild this critically important market, and strengthen U.S. cattle prices.

Thank you for the support you have provided. We would greatly appreciate your assistance on this additional matter.

Sincerely,



American Meat Institute
National Cattlemen's Beef Association
U.S. Meat Export Federation





cc: Mr. David Hegwood, Special Counsel to the Secretary
Ms. Margaret O.K. Glavin, Acting Administrator, FSIS
Ms. Mary Chambliss, Acting Administrator, FAS
Mr. Bobby Acord, Administrator, APHIS
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Sandbag: 'How can there be any implications when Creekstone's Fielding has said, "BSE tested does not mean BSE free"? Are his comments hard to understand?"

Did Creekstone plan to include a disclaimer on their beef exports to Japan that said, "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE"??

Yes or No Sandbag?

Dance, little circus chicken, DANCE!



~SH~

I don't know, SH, do you?

Would you care to explain how there can be any implications with a statement like that?

What does organic imply, SH?

Tell us again how your only bias is the truth. I like starting my day with a good laugh.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Mike said:
Yea Sandhusker, were they going to include that label?

How about this one? NOT TESTING.... BUT LABELING AS BSE FREE!
This was BEFORE SRM removal!

Dec. 10, 2001
Honorable Ann M. Veneman
Secretary of Agriculture
U.S. Department of Agriculture
Washington, D.C. 20250

Dear Secretary Veneman:

As you know, the discovery of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in Japan is continuing to contribute to a huge market loss for U.S. beef exporters, processors and producers. This dramatic drop in exports is, of course, being translated into significantly lower U.S. cattle prices and contributing to an overall decline in U.S. agricultural exports.

All facets of the beef industry have worked closely in an effort to restore Japanese consumer confidence and revitalize this market. USDA officials have been extremely cooperative and have provided excellent information and representation on this issue both in the U.S. and Japan. The entire industry is extremely appreciative of these efforts.

The technical information supplied by USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service has been helpful in providing assurance to the Japanese meat trade that US beef products are safe. We also very much appreciate the work done by the Department, including your personal involvement, in connection with the recently released Harvard Risk Assessment.

Our beef exports to Japan, however, continue to be severely depressed. To assist in restoring confidence in U.S. beef, Japanese importers of our beef have strongly recommended that a formal "BSE Free" statement be included on all export certificates issued for shipments of U.S. beef to Japan. The U.S. beef industry fully agrees with this recommendation.

Accordingly, we request that USDA provide appropriate language on all export certificates indicating that rigorous monitoring and testing have demonstrated that BSE is not present in the U.S. cattle herd. We are confident that the inclusion of such a statement on each export certificate will help restore Japanese consumer confidence in U.S. beef, rebuild this critically important market, and strengthen U.S. cattle prices.

Thank you for the support you have provided. We would greatly appreciate your assistance on this additional matter.

Sincerely,



American Meat Institute
National Cattlemen's Beef Association
U.S. Meat Export Federation





cc: Mr. David Hegwood, Special Counsel to the Secretary
Ms. Margaret O.K. Glavin, Acting Administrator, FSIS
Ms. Mary Chambliss, Acting Administrator, FAS
Mr. Bobby Acord, Administrator, APHIS



Geeeeeeeeeeeze. If Creekstone wanting to sell tested beef per a customer's request and even saying in plain English that "BSE tested does not mean BSE free" is deception, just what the heck is the AMI/NCBA doing here? What do you think, SH?

Mike, I think you can also file this under your "AMI/NCBA - JOINED AT THE HIP" file.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Murgen said:
In 2001, the US was considered BSE free by the OIE. that's what the label would be advertising.

But were we technically BSE free?

This would have been a disaster had it been implemented.

It also says a lot for OIE "Rankings".

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Murgen said:
In 2001, the US was considered BSE free by the OIE. that's what the label would be advertising.

But we weren't, were we? Maybe the label should of said "OIE BSE Free" so that any customer that might be looking at that label would know a grain of salt should be taken. In 2001, beef shipped under the AMI/NCBA's proposed label could of been BSE positive. And some wind-bags here say R-CALF was risking integrity..... :roll:
 

Mike

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Murgen said:
In 2001, the US was considered BSE free by the OIE. that's what the label would be advertising.

But we weren't, were we? Maybe the label should of said "OIE BSE Free" so that any customer that might be looking at that label would know a grain of salt should be taken. In 2001, beef shipped under the AMI/NCBA's proposed label could of been BSE positive. And some wind-bags here say R-CALF was risking integrity..... :roll:

I wonder if this letter that was endorsed by the NCBA had the full support of all the members?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Mike said:
Sandhusker said:
Murgen said:
In 2001, the US was considered BSE free by the OIE. that's what the label would be advertising.

But we weren't, were we? Maybe the label should of said "OIE BSE Free" so that any customer that might be looking at that label would know a grain of salt should be taken. In 2001, beef shipped under the AMI/NCBA's proposed label could of been BSE positive. And some wind-bags here say R-CALF was risking integrity..... :roll:

I wonder if this letter that was endorsed by the NCBA had the full support of all the members?

Doesn't matter if they did or didn't. We've seen leadership completely reverse what membership directed in a very short period of time just recently.

We seem to be seeing NCBA and AMI together on a lot of issues. Does anything need to be said about NCBA partnering with the same outfit that said producers need to quit worrying about their wallets? :roll:
 

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