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Anonymous

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Looks like all of Europe has taken lessons from the French-- they already have their surrender flags made :shock: :wink:


TESTING THE FAITH
Bishop urges Christians to call God 'Allah'
Catholic leader believes it would help ease tensions between religions

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© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Bishop Tiny Muskens (Courtesy Radio Netherlands Worldwide)
Catholic churches in the Netherlands should use the name Allah for God to ease tensions between Muslims and Christians,
says a Dutch bishop.

Tiny Muskens, the bishop of Breda, told the Dutch TV program "Network" Monday night he believes God doesn't mind what he is called, Radio Netherlands Worldwide reported.

The Almighty is above such "discussion and bickering," he insisted.

Muskens points to Indonesia, where he served 30 years ago, as an example for Dutch churches. Christians in the Middle East also use the term Allah for God.

Full story:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57178
 

loomixguy

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Maybe this Bishop thinks it'd be a good idea to face Mecca, kneel, and pray five times a day, too?

God surely wouldn't mind, would he? :shock: :???: :roll:

After all, He has more important things to attend to.

Allah Akbar!
 

don

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yeah it would really be rotten if people realized that the one god is referred to by different names. a lot of the phony reasons for going to war would be erased and all these preachers, popes, archbishops, mullahs and rabbi's might have to deal with people on a basis of honesty and respect. the world would be so screwed up.
 
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kolanuraven said:
It's the same God....each religion just recognizes different prophets.


Shalom!

Oh I realize that-- I just didn't know the Pope and the Church had accepted the Arabic/Muslim tradition of calling God Allah :roll: :???:
Sounds like more PC bullpuckey to me.....

Maybe the Bishops here should propose calling God Wakan-Tonka- since that was what God was called by some before the white man stuck his nose in...
Like my old Sioux friend said-- he talks to them all- cover all bases...... :wink:
 

don

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ot: Maybe the Bishops here should propose calling God Wakan-Tonka- since that was what God was called by some before the white man stuck his nose in...

might offend a few white guys but i don't think god would care. actually it would probably offend a lot of white guys.
 

kolanuraven

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If you live your faith however/whatever you want it to be and can lay your head down each nite with a clear conscience....I'll bet you could call your " god" Joe and not suffer and ill fate!!


:lol: :lol:
 

Steve

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Monotheistic faiths believe that there is and can only be one unique supreme being;... but the word God in English and its counterparts in cognate languages are normally used for all of them. Other languages have similar generic names, and a common experience is for the word for "God" in one language to be perceived by speakers of other languages as the name of a specific deity worshipped by speakers of that one language. However some names refer almost exclusively to the supreme being of a single religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God
 

Sandhusker

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I think you guys are missing the point. This isn't about the proper name of God, it's about submitting to a group that is so intolerant of you that they give you two choices; submit totally or die. These guys are nothing but trouble and this guys want's to go out of his way to kiss their ass?
 

Steve

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I think you guys are missing the point. This isn't about the proper name of God, it's about submitting to a group that is so intolerant of you that they give you two choices; submit totally or die.

Now that is a point I can agree with... I wasn't going to argue over the use of names, but felt that the idea of the church bowing down was wrong....
 

Cal

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Sandhusker said:
I think you guys are missing the point. This isn't about the proper name of God, it's about submitting to a group that is so intolerant of you that they give you two choices; submit totally or die. These guys are nothing but trouble and this guys want's to go out of his way to kiss their ass?
I actually agree with you Sandy!! That's like twice this year....amazing!!
 

NMRANCHER

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Sandhusker said:
I think you guys are missing the point. This isn't about the proper name of God, it's about submitting to a group that is so intolerant of you that they give you two choices; submit totally or die. These guys are nothing but trouble and this guys want's to go out of his way to kiss their ass?


:agree: with this statement.
 

aplusmnt

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Sandhusker said:
I think you guys are missing the point. This isn't about the proper name of God, it's about submitting to a group that is so intolerant of you that they give you two choices; submit totally or die. These guys are nothing but trouble and this guys want's to go out of his way to kiss their ass?

Correct and a Excellent Point! :clap:


kolanuraven said:
It's the same God....each religion just recognizes different prophets.

Shalom!

kolanuraven said:
If you live your faith however/whatever you want it to be and can lay your head down each nite with a clear conscience....I'll bet you could call your " god" Joe and not suffer and ill fate!!

:lol: :lol:

Incorrect and not so Excellent of points!
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
Sandhusker said:
I think you guys are missing the point. This isn't about the proper name of God, it's about submitting to a group that is so intolerant of you that they give you two choices; submit totally or die. These guys are nothing but trouble and this guys want's to go out of his way to kiss their ass?

Correct and a Excellent Point! :clap:


kolanuraven said:
It's the same God....each religion just recognizes different prophets.

Shalom!

kolanuraven said:
If you live your faith however/whatever you want it to be and can lay your head down each nite with a clear conscience....I'll bet you could call your " god" Joe and not suffer and ill fate!!

:lol: :lol:

Incorrect and not so Excellent of points!



You do not acknowledge that there is but ONE GOD, no matter what the name? And that different religions recognize different prophets? I find that stunning!


And you don't believe that a clear conscience ='s a clear heart? I fiind that stunning also coming from you.
 

loomixguy

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Sandhusker said:
I think you guys are missing the point. This isn't about the proper name of God, it's about submitting to a group that is so intolerant of you that they give you two choices; submit totally or die. These guys are nothing but trouble and this guys want's to go out of his way to kiss their ass?


Truer words I have never heard nor read!!!!!!
 

Steve

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You do not acknowledge that there is but ONE GOD,

I think that is part of the problem....I can accept that "GOD"...Is but ONE GOD...but a few other groups of fanatics keep insisting on killing Christians because of that fact.



, no matter what the name? And that different religions recognize different prophets?

and here lies the rest of the problem...I again can accept that other religions beliefs are not the same as mine,... but when they want to kill Christians because of it,..then one of us has to change...and I do not feel compelled to convert to Islam just so a jackass in the desert can tell me what to do..

So until GOD tells me different,... I standing my ground...and feel it is alright for our troops to stomp all over muslim ground...
 

kolanuraven

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Steve said:
You do not acknowledge that there is but ONE GOD,

I think that is part of the problem....I can accept that "GOD"...Is but ONE GOD...but a few other groups of fanatics keep insisting on killing Christians because of that fact.



, no matter what the name? And that different religions recognize different prophets?

and here lies the rest of the problem...I again can accept that other religions beliefs are not the same as mine,... but when they want to kill Christians because of it,..then one of us has to change...and I do not feel compelled to convert to Islam just so a jackass in the desert can tell me what to do..

So until GOD tells me different,... I standing my ground...and feel it is alright for our troops to stomp all over muslim ground...




Such a fine ' christian' statement you make there Stevie!!!

Shows that ' turn the other cheek' idea...except with you it's your arse cheek!!

Not all members of the Islamic religion are gunning for Christians. NOW YOUR TYPE OF THINKING IS THE CHICKEN LITTLE SYTLE!!!!
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
You do not acknowledge that there is but ONE GOD, no matter what the name? And that different religions recognize different prophets? I find that stunning!

There is many God's in the World. Paul even called Satan a God.

2 Cor 4:4

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them


I believe there is one TRUE God and I do not believe he is telling people to go blow themselves up and little kids along with it. So no I do not believe the Muslims God is the same God I worship. I think they are worshipping the same God that Paul spoke of. Because suicide bombing, cutting heads off of innocent people seem to fit a lot more along the lines of something Satan would approve of than that of the True God.
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
kolanuraven said:
You do not acknowledge that there is but ONE GOD, no matter what the name? And that different religions recognize different prophets? I find that stunning!

There is many God's in the World. Paul even called Satan a God.

2 Cor 4:4

4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them


I believe there is one TRUE God and I do not believe he is telling people to go blow themselves up and little kids along with it. So no I do not believe the Muslims God is the same God I worship. I think they are worshipping the same God that Paul spoke of. Because suicide bombing, cutting heads off of innocent people seem to fit a lot more along the lines of something Satan would approve of than that of the True God. [/



Those people doing all the destruction are the ' fundamentalist', nut-so crowd, etc part of the deal...they are not the ' averge' person of their faith....any faith.
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
And you don't believe that a clear conscience ='s a clear heart? I fiind that stunning also coming from you.

Part I did not agree with was when you said you could call him Joe or whatever you want and not suffer any ill fate.

I think no matter how clean your conscience is and no matter how well you sleep at night has nothing to do with the outcome of How God Judges you on Judgement day. I believe he will be looking at the fruitages of your service not how clear your conscience was.

I think there will be a lot of people on Judgement day with clear consciences that will not like the outcome of that day!
 
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