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What Al Gore doesn't understand about climate change

backhoeboogie

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It is a shame we cannot get beyond attitude. This discussion has some very good points.

Often I disagree with some, but at the same time we have found some common ground in this thread. (It seems to me) Ohters obviously resent that.

We should not forget what Jesus did when he found the church being used as a market place. He took action for his beliefs.

I still don't have any respect for Gore.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Texan said:
Ooops...

Texan said:
She is intelligent, objective and well-reasoned...

I left out hard-headed. :p
Thx...I think :)

Aplus,as far as Jesus being perfect,yes he was pretty close,but he was put here to spread Gods word and so God could understand what life was like.Remember when Jesus got upset with the merchants and moneychangers that set up outside of the temple?? A perfect "person" could not feel that upset or would have dealt differently then Jesus did,thats why so many people feel Jesus,because of his humanity.

TSR is right ones relationship with God is personal :)


LOL,backhooboogie looks like you and I posted almost the same time and used Jesus and the temple,I agree this could be a fun and informative discussion if tempers don't get the best of us
 

backhoeboogie

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Mrs.Greg said:
Texan said:
Ooops...

Texan said:
She is intelligent, objective and well-reasoned...

I left out hard-headed. :p
Thx...I think :)

Aplus,as far as Jesus being perfect,yes he was pretty close,but he was put here to spread Gods word and so God could understand what life was like.Remember when Jesus got upset with the merchants and moneychangers that set up outside of the temple?? A perfect "person" could not feel that upset or would have dealt differently then Jesus did,thats why so many people feel Jesus,because of his humanity.

TSR is right ones relationship with God is personal :)


LOL,backhooboogie looks like you and I posted almost the same time and used Jesus and the temple,I agree this could be a fun and informative discussion if tempers don't get the best of us

Mrs. Greg, We must have posted simultaneously. Funny that both of us were thinking of the money changers.

As far as the relationship with God being personal, people can be fooled. God can't. He knows where my heart is. You too. :)
 

aplusmnt

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Mrs.Greg said:
Texan said:
Ooops...

Texan said:
She is intelligent, objective and well-reasoned...

I left out hard-headed. :p
Thx...I think :)

Aplus,as far as Jesus being perfect,yes he was pretty close,but he was put here to spread Gods word and so God could understand what life was like.Remember when Jesus got upset with the merchants and moneychangers that set up outside of the temple?? A perfect "person" could not feel that upset or would have dealt differently then Jesus did,thats why so many people feel Jesus,because of his humanity.

TSR is right ones relationship with God is personal :)


LOL,backhooboogie looks like you and I posted almost the same time and used Jesus and the temple,I agree this could be a fun and informative discussion if tempers don't get the best of us

I would debate those issues of Jesus perfection and rather God needed someone to show him what life was like on earth based on scripture versus personal feelings. But then I would be considered arrogant and closed minded because I debate the issue based on factual information provided in the bible.

If only years ago I would have known that all that studying of the bible was not necessary, that all we had to do was decide for ourselves what it means to have a relationship with God instead of what he tell us it takes to have one.

And just think of all the years and persecution that could have been avoided by the bible writers if they knew that wasting their time to tell us that specific things such as men lying with men was wrong was not necessary. That all that really matters is how each individual personal feels about his relationship with God.
 

Goodpasture

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aplusmnt said:
I would debate those issues .......
not really....you put forward a stupid argument and when disagreed with, insult the person who disagrees with you.

Although I doubt the feelings are reciprocated, I have found Mrs Greg to be pretty sharp, with a good sense of humor, a LOT of compassion, a lot of common sense, and an deniable sense of fair play. You on the other hand, are the type of Christian that makes non-believers choose Islam, or Sikh, or Buddhism.
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Don't cut a-minus any slack there Mrs. G.....remember he's already scared of Canadians and your ' evil' ways. :lol: :lol: :lol:


You got him on the run....don't quit now!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



If he ' wanted to get home and change " his post....hmmm...that means he's wasting his employers time on Ranchers!!!!! :shock: :shock:


That'll put you on the naughty list fer sure.

I agree don't lighten up on him, since that is the basic premise political bull message board to discuss and debate issues. No reason to take your keyboard and go home when things get a little controversial.

And Kolan please do not share your investigative skills with my employer he is a real Jerk! My days cold be numbered.
 

aplusmnt

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Goodpasture said:
aplusmnt said:
I would debate those issues .......
not really....you put forward a stupid argument and when disagreed with, insult the person who disagrees with you.

Although I doubt the feelings are reciprocated, I have found Mrs Greg to be pretty sharp, with a good sense of humor, a LOT of compassion, a lot of common sense, and an deniable sense of fair play. You on the other hand, are the type of Christian that makes non-believers choose Islam, or Sikh, or Buddhism.

She is a mature woman, I am sure she can handle being called a name with out running and hiding in the closet. If not then she needs to post on the coffee shop board and stay out of here.

And for the record if you go back and look at name calling she has a larger record of calling me names than I do her.

Your time might be better spent reflecting on your choice of words on here instead of mine.

And if my using the actual bible to show why I believe in something drives unbelievers to Islam I don't think they had the right heart condition or intellectual capacity to embrace Christianity in the first place!
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
Goodpasture said:
aplusmnt said:
I would debate those issues .......
not really....you put forward a stupid argument and when disagreed with, insult the person who disagrees with you.

Although I doubt the feelings are reciprocated, I have found Mrs Greg to be pretty sharp, with a good sense of humor, a LOT of compassion, a lot of common sense, and an deniable sense of fair play. You on the other hand, are the type of Christian that makes non-believers choose Islam, or Sikh, or Buddhism.

She is a mature woman, I am sure she can handle being called a name with out running and hiding in the closet. If not then she needs to post on the coffee shop board and stay out of here.

And for the record if you go back and look at name calling she has a larger record of calling me names than I do her.

Your time might be better spent reflecting on your choice of words on here instead of mine.

And if my using the actual bible to show why I believe in something drives unbelievers to Islam I don't think they had the right heart condition or intellectual capacity to embrace Christianity in the first place!



Well..my dear a-minus...why didn't you capatilize the ' b' in Bible???


Gotcha!!!!......- 4 points on the Christian scale ...go to the end of the line :lol: :lol:
 
A

Anonymous

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If only years ago I would have known that all that studying of the bible was not necessary, that all we had to do was decide for ourselves what it means to have a relationship with God instead of what he tell us it takes to have one.

Now to me it was the opposite-- the years of studying the Bible, taking religion and theology classes in college, and Bible study groups always raised more questions-- and how I can relate them to my own life rather than to any preset rule set down by any other interpreter...

I've found that within the same religion (Christianity), within the same denomination, within even the same individual churchbuilding-- there are many varying and sometimes changing interpretations of the Bible by various ministers, leaders, elders, and theologians...With all that variation- you have to make your own interpretation from within yourself- or you will spend your life wandering many different ways....
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
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If only years ago I would have known that all that studying of the bible was not necessary, that all we had to do was decide for ourselves what it means to have a relationship with God instead of what he tell us it takes to have one.

Now to me it was the opposite-- the years of studying the Bible, taking religion and theology classes in college, and Bible study groups always raised more questions-- and how I can relate them to my own life rather than to any preset rule set down by any other interpreter...

I've found that within the same religion (Christianity), within the same denomination, within even the same individual churchbuilding-- there are many varying and sometimes changing interpretations of the Bible by various ministers, leaders, elders, and theologians...With all that variation- you have to make your own interpretation from within yourself- or you will spend your life wandering many different ways....

You are correct many people have different interpretations of different Bible subjects. But there are some issues that there really is no room for interpretation. Only when people look to find a loophole to justify their actions.

Example: Lots of different conclusions have came from people reading Revelations. Who is the beast, who is Michael is there more than one archangel. Who is the Harlot etc.......These are many times symbolic and complicated visions.

I don't get caught up with debating most of these issues because they are complicated and probably over most of us Bible Knowledge including myself.

But there is many issues that have very little room for interpretation blunders. Many things Jesus or his apostles taught us as to our day to day way of life are in pretty simple language. Like to forgive each other, not to commit murder, not to be envious of others. Problem is some people do not like what they read so they use the old cop out excuse that well I interpret the Bible different than you! Bla bla bla.

These are the same people that move from church to church because they do not like the counsel they hear instead of heading it. Jesus gave us a road map to salvation. He tells us the things that we need to do and the things that we need to avoid. They are in plain easy to understand sermons and only those that do not like what they hear have a problem understanding them.

When Jesus tells us that men who lie with men will not inherit Gods kingdom or neither will drunkards or adulters there is not much room for interpretation differences it is easy for even the simplest child to understand what he is telling us.

Nothing I get more tired of in Religious discussions than when a person gets backed into a corner when asked to defend their religious beliefs and they use the old well I interpret that different than you. How and the heck do you interpret not to be drunkard any way but the way it is written?

To many people look to have their ears tickled today. I have broken many of the sins that Jesus mentions in the bible but live or die I will not justify them. If I did wrong I did wrong and I hope I am forgiven for it! But I know I will never be forgiven if I deny I did wrong and justify my actions to make myself feel better. Nothing worse than fooling ones self!
 

Mrs.Greg

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aplusmnt said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Texan said:
Ooops...



I left out hard-headed. :p
Thx...I think :)

Aplus,as far as Jesus being perfect,yes he was pretty close,but he was put here to spread Gods word and so God could understand what life was like.Remember when Jesus got upset with the merchants and moneychangers that set up outside of the temple?? A perfect "person" could not feel that upset or would have dealt differently then Jesus did,thats why so many people feel Jesus,because of his humanity.

TSR is right ones relationship with God is personal :)


LOL,backhooboogie looks like you and I posted almost the same time and used Jesus and the temple,I agree this could be a fun and informative discussion if tempers don't get the best of us

I would debate those issues of Jesus perfection and rather God needed someone to show him what life was like on earth based on scripture versus personal feelings. But then I would be considered arrogant and closed minded because I debate the issue based on factual information provided in the bible.

If only years ago I would have known that all that studying of the bible was not necessary, that all we had to do was decide for ourselves what it means to have a relationship with God instead of what he tell us it takes to have one.

And just think of all the years and persecution that could have been avoided by the bible writers if they knew that wasting their time to tell us that specific things such as men lying with men was wrong was not necessary. That all that really matters is how each individual personal feels about his relationship with God.
Aplus,this post is the reason I call you arrogant......you assume I don't know the Bible :?

In my home when I was growing up if I happened to mention I was bored my Dads comeback was read the Bible or the Dictionary,well I found the Bible to have more interesting stories then the dictionary did,so from around six when I first started to read I've been opening that book.My faith in God started long before that,thanks to my parents and maternal gramma. That being said,looking into different churches and thier beliefs didn't send me further astray it cemented the belief that God exists in all those Christian churches. My dad was raised Catholic and my mom Anglican,greg was raised Luthern...God,Jesus and the Bible are important in all those churches :)

Goodpasture...thank-you for your kind words,now to try living up to your and Texans words :oops:
 

aplusmnt

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Mrs.Greg said:
aplusmnt said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Thx...I think :)

Aplus,as far as Jesus being perfect,yes he was pretty close,but he was put here to spread Gods word and so God could understand what life was like.Remember when Jesus got upset with the merchants and moneychangers that set up outside of the temple?? A perfect "person" could not feel that upset or would have dealt differently then Jesus did,thats why so many people feel Jesus,because of his humanity.

TSR is right ones relationship with God is personal :)


LOL,backhooboogie looks like you and I posted almost the same time and used Jesus and the temple,I agree this could be a fun and informative discussion if tempers don't get the best of us

I would debate those issues of Jesus perfection and rather God needed someone to show him what life was like on earth based on scripture versus personal feelings. But then I would be considered arrogant and closed minded because I debate the issue based on factual information provided in the bible.

If only years ago I would have known that all that studying of the bible was not necessary, that all we had to do was decide for ourselves what it means to have a relationship with God instead of what he tell us it takes to have one.

And just think of all the years and persecution that could have been avoided by the bible writers if they knew that wasting their time to tell us that specific things such as men lying with men was wrong was not necessary. That all that really matters is how each individual personal feels about his relationship with God.
Aplus,this post is the reason I call you arrogant......you assume I don't know the Bible :?

In my home when I was growing up if I happened to mention I was bored my Dads comeback was read the Bible or the Dictionary,well I found the Bible to have more interesting stories then the dictionary did,so from around six when I first started to read I've been opening that book.My faith in God started long before that,thanks to my parents and maternal gramma. That being said,looking into different churches and thier beliefs didn't send me further astray it cemented the belief that God exists in all those Christian churches. My dad was raised Catholic and my mom Anglican,greg was raised Luthern...God,Jesus and the Bible are important in all those churches :)

Goodpasture...thank-you for your kind words,now to try living up to your and Texans words :oops:

I don't assume you don't know the Bible I say you do not use it to substantiate what you say you believe in! You make comments like this is how I believe and no one is going to tell me different. Well the Bible is full of examples of people that helped to change others minds to come to an accurate knowledge. In my mind you are the arrogant one! You say you are going to believe whatever you want to believe even if someone shows you that you are wrong. It does not get any more arrogant than that.

I have learned things about Gods word and proper conduct from 5 year olds before. Closed minded and arrogance that you accuse me of is when you are not open to learn no matter who it comes from.

As for reading the Bible lots of people read the Bible and have no understanding of what it means. We all need some direction and help in understanding parts of it. That example was even given to us in the Bible in the account of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch.

Acts 8:26-31

26And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.


No need to call me arrogant again that is a cross I am willing to bear if the alternative is not offering proof to my religious beliefs! But for now I am through with the religious talk on here, I am not sure it goes anywhere or does any good.

Lets get back to the arrogance of Al Gore! :wink:
 

Texan

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aplusmnt said:
And Kolan please do not share your investigative skills with my employer he is a real Jerk! My days could be numbered.
Yeah, you'd better watch it, Aplus. That asshole you work for might have you cleaning toilets. :lol:
 

aplusmnt

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Texan said:
aplusmnt said:
And Kolan please do not share your investigative skills with my employer he is a real Jerk! My days could be numbered.
Yeah, you'd better watch it, Aplus. That asshole you work for might have you cleaning toilets. :lol:

He has been known to be a Jerk like that! :lol:
 

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