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What bullying can lead to.........

CattleArmy

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Teen Suspect In Principal's Murder Target Of Homophobic Bullying
September 30, 2006 - 11:00 am ET

(Cazenovia, Wisconsin) A 15-year old charged in the Friday shooting death of his high school principal was angry that the man and others at the school had failed to stop classmates from bullying him court documents allege.

Principal John Klang, 49, was shot in the head, leg, and torso and later died in hospital. Eric Hainstock is charged as an adult with murder.

Police said that Hainstock armed himself with a handgun and rifle owned by his parents and headed off to Weston High School. A janitor and teacher saw Hainstock with the shotgun as he entered the school before classes Friday morning.

Investigators said that Hainstock pointed the gun at the teacher, but the custodian took it away.

When Hainstock reached for the handgun the janitor and teacher took cover.

Klang then confronted the teen and tried to talk him into putting down the gun. When Hainstock refused Klang attempted to wrestle the gun from the youth's hand and the two ended up on the floor. At that point Hainstock allegedly shot the principal three times.

According to court papers filed late Friday by the prosecutor in Sauk County Circuit Court Hainstock told police after he was taken into custody that students regularly bullied him - calling him "fag" and "faggot" and rubbed up against him.

The documents say that the teenager told police he was so frustrated that Klang and teachers would do nothing to stop the harassment he decided to arm himself.

The day before the shooting Hainstock received a written discipline from Klang for having brought tobacco to school.

The 15-year old was enrolled in a special class at the school for emotionally and behaviorally disturbed students. Teachers say that he excelled in art and last year had been selected to participate in a districtwide art contest.

But they also allege that he had made threats to his teachers more than once this year.

Hainstock is scheduled to make his first court appearance on Monday. If convicted he could face life in prison.

It is not known if the teen identified as being gay. Experts in bullying say the sexuality of a bullying victim is not important - pointing to studies showing the wide impact homophobic bullying has on students.

One study, released in April to coincide with the National Day of Silence, showed that three-quarters of students surveyed across America said that over the past year they heard derogatory remarks such as "faggot" or "dyke" frequently or often at school, and nearly nine out of ten reported hearing "that's so gay" or "you're so gay" - meaning stupid or worthless - frequently or often. (story)

Over a third of students said they experienced physical harassment at school on the basis of sexual orientation and more than a quarter on the basis of their gender expression.

Nearly one-in-five students reported they had been physically assaulted because of their sexual orientation and over a tenth because of their gender expression.
 

kolanuraven

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Hmmmm...wonder how many of the bullies here were the same way in highschool???


jigs want to shoot everyone different from him.... that's just for starters
 

Red Robin

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...yes, I see. It's the teachers fault that some troubled kid brought a gun to school. I wonder if the bullies brought one and he was just trying to protect himself when the gun went off?????? You girls put together couldn't think your way out of a wet paper bag. With logic like yours I wouldn't trust you to watch a settin hen and make sure she stayed on her eggs. :lol:
 

CattleArmy

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Red Robin said:
...yes, I see. It's the teachers fault that some troubled kid brought a gun to school. I wonder if the bullies brought one and he was just trying to protect himself when the gun went off?????? You girls put together couldn't think your way out of a wet paper bag. With logic like yours I wouldn't trust you to watch a settin hen and make sure she stayed on her eggs. :lol:

I don't recall saying it was the teachers fault. I just posted the thread and you start off assuming my position on it. Ever heard the saying about assuming it makes an a$$ out of you before me.

I do feel strongly to often in the school systems bullying is overlooked and regarded as normal high school behavior and the thought goes we've all had to endure it at one time or another. However, I think with the modern society and the tendancy of more of such cases as this one occuring school teachers, principals, and superintendants need to indeed take kids fears and their multitude of complaints and actions seriously. This trend of violence occuring at schools is a growing concern.

As for watching a setting hen to make sure she stayed on her eggs ummm red robin my family raises cattle the animal I'm gonna be watching is the cow to make sure calving is going without problems, that the calf is getting something to eat, and then watching to make sure that calf stays healthy. :wink:
 

jigs

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kolanuraven said:
Hmmmm...wonder how many of the bullies here were the same way in highschool???


jigs want to shoot everyone different from him.... that's just for starters

nope, just the pedophiles and Clinton .......

teachers need commended for the crap they put up with, however they need to take the teachers union and tenure and get rid of it!

no reason for a teacher to be granted immunity from sloppy teaching simply because they have 15 years into a school.

Kola, if you ever get your head out of there, the world will look soooooooo different.
 

Soapweed

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kolanuraven said:
Hmmmm...wonder how many of the bullies here were the same way in highschool???


jigs want to shoot everyone different from him.... that's just for starters

Jigs was probably too busy chasing girls to be a bully. :wink:
 

jigs

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Soapweed said:
kolanuraven said:
Hmmmm...wonder how many of the bullies here were the same way in highschool???


jigs want to shoot everyone different from him.... that's just for starters

Jigs was probably too busy chasing girls to be a bully. :wink:

it was the girls who bullied me Soapweed !!!

besides, I ws never real fast.....so I only chased the slow ones.
 

Faster horses

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Well, pardon me. But I think home life has something to do with bullying.
Kids listen to what their parents say. Many times what they hear is not kind and full of envy of others.

I hate bullying. When I hear about the stuff that happens and I think
we are paying BIG BUCKS for these kids to not appreciate going to school
it makes me furious. I think about my father who did not get to finish
school and it hurt his heart every day of his life, compared to the kids now who think schooling is OWED to them. He lived when going to school was a privilege not a right. Somewhere along the way, the concept changed.

And when kids wear t-shirts that say "NO FEAR" that bothers me too.
I don't think they fear much anymore. It's a sad state of affairs.

Too many kids have too much of everything except their parents TIME.

End of rant.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Like Faster,I agree with the idea bullying starts at home.I taught my children treat others the same way you want to be treated...I hope they remember that!Children are made to feel they are no. 1,parents run to the school anytime poor Johnny gets into a little bit of trouble.Alot of children nowadays never face the consequences of thier acctions because mommy and daddy back them We all were probably bullied at one time in our life,but learned to deal with it,find friends like yourself and ignore the ones that were your bullys. Its a life lesson...trust me throughout your life you will meet bullys.
 

IL Rancher

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There was a time in my life that I "bullied" some folks.. Didn't think much of it at the time untill one by one my friends and I were pulled out of class and sent to the principals offics. This would have been junior high. In there we were forced to listen to the folks that we had been unkind too (this was all verbal stuff, never laid a hand on anyone) and than they left and the principal talked to each of us one on one. At the end of his speil he looked me right in the eyes and said "Anthony, I truely expected much better from you. You have no idea how disappointed I was to hear that your were involved in this". Hit me like a load of bricks and I can honestly say I never was inovolved on that end of something like that again... In fact, after one girl left the school she ran into a friend of mine at the school she transfered to and he mentioned that he knew me and her response was "He was a really nice guy, always had a smile and a kind word".. I truely doubt that she would have said that a year earlier.

Now, some of this stuff I still believe was overblown by overdramatic 13 year old girls but it tought me that even though you might not think something was a big deal someone else might, this goes for good and bad things...

Bullying is for real in school and the "weak" are taken advantage of.. I saw it all the way though hS but fortunetly saw very little in college.
 

CattleArmy

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If you haven't met a bully yet.................welcome to ranchers.net. :wink:

Ok in all serious now. Faster horses you made a very valid point a lot of kids do not have the thing they may indeed need most their parents time.

I think as parents a lot of us try to raise our children to respect not only themselves but others also. However, I think realistically we also have to acknowledge the fact that when in a peer group sometimes children throw what their parents have said to the wind and turn into mean monsters any mother would cringe at. How do we stop it? In my opinion by handeling the behavior much like Mrs. Greg said and instead of saying "Oh no not my Sally" look into and address the behavior. Make our children tow the line. Make them relize there is the word NO and that they are not entitled to everything to be given to them...........sometimes you have to work for it and sometimes you just can't have it and life goes on.

I think we all have to also look at the fact sometimes our children's friends are the ones we cringe at the ones that had no upbringing and raised themselves as they saw fit and were able. It is then we as parents have to be more involved, more monitoring, and more demanding to know what our children are doing, with who, and why.

The most important job is not the one that supplies my paycheck it's the little people at my house helping set them up for success in life. It's demanding, time consuming, and can be a very unpopular job but it's the most fulfulling one I've ever had and thank God for the chance to help guide little souls and hope through rules, love, and understanding they become positive productive members prepared to handle our modern day society.
 

Mrs.Greg

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CattleArmy said:
If you haven't met a bully yet.................welcome to ranchers.net. :wink:

Ok in all serious now. Faster horses you made a very valid point a lot of kids do not have the thing they may indeed need most their parents time.

I think as parents a lot of us try to raise our children to respect not only themselves but others also. However, I think realistically we also have to acknowledge the fact that when in a peer group sometimes children throw what their parents have said to the wind and turn into mean monsters any mother would cringe at. How do we stop it? In my opinion by handeling the behavior much like Mrs. Greg said and instead of saying "Oh no not my Sally" look into and address the behavior. Make our children tow the line. Make them relize there is the word NO and that they are not entitled to everything to be given to them...........sometimes you have to work for it and sometimes you just can't have it and life goes on.

I think we all have to also look at the fact sometimes our children's friends are the ones we cringe at the ones that had no upbringing and raised themselves as they saw fit and were able. It is then we as parents have to be more involved, more monitoring, and more demanding to know what our children are doing, with who, and why.

The most important job is not the one that supplies my paycheck it's the little people at my house helping set them up for success in life. It's demanding, time consuming, and can be a very unpopular job but it's the most fulfulling one I've ever had and thank God for the chance to help guide little souls and hope through rules, love, and understanding they become positive productive members prepared to handle our modern day society.
Excellent post CRM...I'm a firm believer its easier to be a poor parent then a good one....lots of parents follow the easy root
 

jigs

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my oldest is in 8th grade, and she is learning first hand how mean and viscious these girls can be.

I really feel sorry for her at times, and at other times I am disapponted in her. but I feel if I step in to protect her, it will only hurt her in the long run...... unless it get way out of control I think it will tend to iron itself out.

so for the time being, I am a silent observer. but there are 3 young girls that I would like to knock the snot out of!
 

Mrs.Greg

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jigs said:
my oldest is in 8th grade, and she is learning first hand how mean and viscious these girls can be.

I really feel sorry for her at times, and at other times I am disapponted in her. but I feel if I step in to protect her, it will only hurt her in the long run...... unless it get way out of control I think it will tend to iron itself out.

so for the time being, I am a silent observer. but there are 3 young girls that I would like to knock the snot out of!
ask any teacher...grade eight girls are THE worst,same age our daughter started getting bullied by the girls in her class. Cowgirl in a none cowgirl school. We didn't step in,she made her way,hung out with the other girls in her 4-h group that were like her...I sure feel for you Jigs,its a hard time and your heart hearts for her for sure :(
 

Faster horses

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I have friends who almost boarded their daughter with someone else
in order to get the girl out of the school where she was bullied.
The girls called her a lesbian, this in high school no less. She stuck it
out, and wound up being a very good basketball player. But for some
reason the others picked on her like a bunch of cannibals. Even though
she was the star player in girls basketball. This girls father attended
the same school when he was growing up, so they are 'old family'
in that area.

I just hate thinking we are paying the way for this kind of treatment
to go on.

Listen to ACS, he gets bullied.

Our grandson was picked on the school bus every morning. Luckily,
when his mother remarried, they moved and he got to ride another
bus but to the same school. This one is so much better, he now likes and is doing better in school. Bullying has far reaching effects.
You teach your kids to be kind, and this is what they
encounter. I think maybe (not sure) country kids are picked on
more than town kids for some reason. Perhaps it is envy.

I don't know if this fits here or not, but last night they showed a program called, "50 Outrageous Things that happened on tv" and one incidence showed a segment of the "Wife Swap" show. This woman who did no housework or cooking, had to trade lives with a woman who lived on a farm and milked cows. When it came to the part where they make changes, the woman said the kids were slave labor for their parents and as long as she was there, they would not have to do any more chores.

One little guy about 12 broke down, crying and crying hard.
He covered his face with his hands and said, "What am I going to do? This farm is my LIFE. I love it."

It was sad and of course didn't turn out the way the show thought it would. Made me think about what kids really enjoy. I bet he spent a lot of time working with and appreciated by adults.
More kids don't get that experience than do.

Parents TIME and approval is the one thing that can't be bought,
yet it is probably the most important thing in life to kids.
 

passin thru

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What these bullys need is a good old fashioned a$$ whooping in place of the modern day zero tolerance feel good programs in these gov institutions.
Remember in the old days when bully's were dealt with first hand.....case closed and life went on. How many school shootings did we have in the 40's 50's and 60's?
 

Soapweed

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Faster horses said:
And when kids wear t-shirts that say "NO FEAR" that bothers me too.
I don't think they fear much anymore. It's a sad state of affairs.

Just wanted to clarify that in the picture I posted yesterday of Peach Blossom's sweatshirt, it doesn't say "NO FEAR". It says:

FEAR NOT And in smaller letters down below, it says:
"I will fear no evil, for You are with me." Psalms 23:4

OnemoretryforPeachsshirt.jpg


Just wanted to make sure that ya'll know that Peach Blossom is no bully. :wink: :)
 
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Soapweed said:
Just wanted to make sure that ya'll know that Peach Blossom is no bully. :wink: :)
You sound scared to me. I bet she twisted your tail and made you post that, didn't she? :wink:
 
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