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What Country Does Our Current Administration Serve?

Mike

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alice said:
Mike said:
alice said:
Don't know a thing about Buckwheat other than he was in the Little Rascals.

Alice

A very poor NON answer, given in a very typical Liberal fashion. :lol: :lol:

When you folks get pushed into a corner, must you always wither & cringe? :lol:

I don't respond to racists questions directed to me, however I will happily call you race baiting jerk...and I'm not withering or cringing as I do this.

Alice

Clearly you are dodging & cringing, because you have not answered the question as of yet. :lol:

The question is very simple and straightforward, in case you haven't noticed. :roll:
 

alice

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Mike said:
alice said:
Mike said:
A very poor NON answer, given in a very typical Liberal fashion. :lol: :lol:

When you folks get pushed into a corner, must you always wither & cringe? :lol:

I don't respond to racists questions directed to me, however I will happily call you race baiting jerk...and I'm not withering or cringing as I do this.

Alice

Clearly you are cringing, because you have not answered the question as of yet. :lol:

The question is very simple and straightforward, in case you haven't noticed. :roll:

And so is my original answer.

Alice
 

Mike

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alice said:
Mike said:
alice said:
I don't respond to racists questions directed to me, however I will happily call you race baiting jerk...and I'm not withering or cringing as I do this.

Alice

Clearly you are cringing, because you have not answered the question as of yet. :lol:

The question is very simple and straightforward, in case you haven't noticed. :roll:

And so is my original answer.

Alice
Not even one little bitty attempted excuse why his birthplace hospital has changed from one to the other?

Surely you can do better than wiggling & squirming around an answer? :lol:

Truthfully, I expected better from you...............

Possibly only a theory of how it could happen?
 

alice

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Mike said:
alice said:
Mike said:
Clearly you are cringing, because you have not answered the question as of yet. :lol:

The question is very simple and straightforward, in case you haven't noticed. :roll:

And so is my original answer.

Alice
Not even one little bitty attempted excuse why his birthplace hospital has changed from one to the other?

Surely you can do better than wiggling & squirming around an answer? :lol:

Truthfully, I expected better from you...............

YOU actually expected ME to play into your race baiting? :lol: When it snows in hell...

Alice
 

Mike

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alice said:
Mike said:
alice said:
And so is my original answer.

Alice
Not even one little bitty attempted excuse why his birthplace hospital has changed from one to the other?

Surely you can do better than wiggling & squirming around an answer? :lol:

Truthfully, I expected better from you...............

YOU actually expected ME to play into your race baiting? :lol: When it snows in hell...

Alice

What if I were to change the name in the question from Buckwheat to Barack, could you answer the question then? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Didn't think so................. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

alice

Well-known member
Mike said:
alice said:
Mike said:
Not even one little bitty attempted excuse why his birthplace hospital has changed from one to the other?

Surely you can do better than wiggling & squirming around an answer? :lol:

Truthfully, I expected better from you...............

YOU actually expected ME to play into your race baiting? :lol: When it snows in hell...

Alice

What if I were to change the name in the question from Buckwheat to Barack, could you answer the question then? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Didn't think so................. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ah, but you didn't change the name, did you? You just asked what if? Now, run along and play in your Grand Lizard costume.

Alice
 

Mike

Well-known member
alice said:
Mike said:
alice said:
YOU actually expected ME to play into your race baiting? :lol: When it snows in hell...

Alice

What if I were to change the name in the question from Buckwheat to Barack, could you answer the question then? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Didn't think so................. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ah, but you didn't change the name, did you? You just asked what if? Now, run along and play in your Grand Lizard costume.

Alice

I think I will. And while I'm at it, I will languish in the fact that you cannot, will not, refuse, or even attempt to answer a simple question.
 

alice

Well-known member
Mike said:
alice said:
Mike said:
What if I were to change the name in the question from Buckwheat to Barack, could you answer the question then? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Didn't think so................. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ah, but you didn't change the name, did you? You just asked what if? Now, run along and play in your Grand Lizard costume.

Alice

I think I will. And while I'm at it, I will languish in the fact that you cannot, will not, refuse, or even attempt to answer a simple question.

Whatever floats ya' boat... :lol:

Alice
 

Mike

Well-known member
alice said:
Mike said:
alice said:
Ah, but you didn't change the name, did you? You just asked what if? Now, run along and play in your Grand Lizard costume.

Alice

I think I will. And while I'm at it, I will languish in the fact that you cannot, will not, refuse, or even attempt to answer a simple question.

Whatever floats ya' boat... :lol:

Alice

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

You really know how to hurt a guy don't you? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

hypocritexposer

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alice said:
Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
Go to bed silly old man. Your best years are behind you. Stop pretending to be a hero.

Why don't you use some of that intelligence that you think you have and explain how Barry can be a natual born citizen when his father was a Kenyan? Step up to the plate there, big girl.

Excerpt from http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

His grandmother says he was born in Kenya, others have signed affidavits to the same. On the Hawaii long form there is a field to fill in foreign birth country.

* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national This is John mcCain's situation, read the Senate statement.


* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

So a person born after 1934 with an alien father is not?

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Obama admitted he was subject to the jurisdiction of England through his father, a Kenyan under British jurisdiction



Obama's mother was a United States citizen...he was born in Hawaii two years after it became a state. He was naturally born to his natural born mother in a natural state of the natural United States. Sound pretty natural to me.

Alice
 

alice

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Why don't you use some of that intelligence that you think you have and explain how Barry can be a natual born citizen when his father was a Kenyan? Step up to the plate there, big girl.

Excerpt from http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

His grandmother says he was born in Kenya, others have signed affidavits to the same. On the Hawaii long form there is a field to fill in foreign birth country.

* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national This is John mcCain's situation, read the Senate statement.


* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

So a person born after 1934 with an alien father is not?

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Obama admitted he was subject to the jurisdiction of England through his father, a Kenyan under British jurisdiction



Obama's mother was a United States citizen...he was born in Hawaii two years after it became a state. He was naturally born to his natural born mother in a natural state of the natural United States. Sound pretty natural to me.

Alice

Skipped right past these, huh, Hypocrite:

* Anyone born inside the United States * (he was born in Hawaii)
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year. (Possession/state...same difference, and he was born in Hawaii.

Hypocrite wrote: "His grandmother says he was born in Kenya, others have signed affidavits to the same."

He has two grandmothers. I'm certain Obama's maternal grandmother and "others" make the same claim about his being born in Hawaii.

See, there is no way on this earth that anyone can give you evidence...facts...anything else. You are paid to deny them, no matter if the facts come from the burning bush and are absolutely irrefutable. You rely on rumor and innuendo for your "facts." I rely on the Constitution for mine.

Alice
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
I'm not skipping over evidence or facts.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

I'm sorry but a citizen is not the same as Natural Born citizen, there is a difference.

You brought a list that qualifies a person to be a citizen. What's a Native Born Citizen? Natuarlized?

The SCOTUS has ruled that there is doubt that a person with a non-American citizen parent can be a Natural Born Citizen, congress has stated the same.

Then there is dual citizens, which Obama admits he was when born, so he can not be a Natural Born citizen.

Your evidence is valid, but it further proves he is not a Natural Born Citizen.

And just so you know, his Maternal Grandmother is deceased. The only person that claims to be present at his birth was his Grandmother in Kenya.
 

alice

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
I'm not skipping over evidence or facts.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

I'm sorry but a citizen is not the same as Natural Born citizen, there is a difference.

You brought a list that qualifies a person to be a citizen. What's a Native Born Citizen? Natuarlized?

The SCOTUS has ruled that there is doubt that a person with a non-American citizen parent can be a Natural Born Citizen, congress has stated the same.

Then there is dual citizens, which Obama admits he was when born, so he can not be a Natural Born citizen.

Your evidence is valid, but it further proves he is not a Natural Born Citizen.

And just so you know, his Maternal Grandmother is deceased. The only person that claims to be present at his birth was his Grandmother in Kenya.

The very beginning of what I posted stated this:

"Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday? "

What qualified as a natural born citizen followed. You may not agree with it, but, well, oh well!

Now, I know Obama's maternal grandmother is deceased...yet there is no doubt in my mind that she has told others Obama was born in Hawaii...and she has relatives, and friends that could attest to that. Just 'cause she's dead doesn't make her irrelevant.

Again, it wouldn't matter if God sent stone tablets crashing thru the atmosphere swearing that Obama was a natural born citizen...and they landed on your doorstep...you would not believe it. No wait...you may very well believe it, in fact, you may believe it right now...but since you don't get paid to believe it...since you get paid to deny it and incite people with your rhetoric, you will never admit it.

Alice
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
You're confusing 2 issues here Alice. Birth in Hawaii and Natural Born Citizen.

And you are using a website to define the term?

Here is what you posted.


Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Is a dual citizen the same as a Naturalized citizen?
 

alice

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
You're confusing 2 issues here Alice. Birth in Hawaii and Natural Born Citizen.

And you are using a website to define the term?

Here is what you posted.


Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Is a dual citizen the same as a Naturalized citizen?

I'm not confusing anything, hypocrite, altho you are trying your damnedest to make it appear so. The man was born in the United States to a citizen of the United States and all of your tap dancing and baiting and switching will not make it any different.

Jeez Louise, I wish my High School Civics teacher were still alive. She'd have you trussed up and beggin' for mercy by now...:lol:

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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Alice, a "Citizen" and a "Natural Born Citizen" are two different categories. A natural born citizen is a citizen, but a citizen isn't necessarily a natural born.

A fitting analogy would be a bull (citizen) and a purebred bull (natural born). The purebred is a bull, but any bull isn't necessarly a purebred. The Constitution says "bull" isn't good enough for President, you've got to have a purebred. Obama is not a "purebred" because his father was a citizen of Kenya.

All the birth certificate questions are just gravy on this deal. The damn guy is not qualified, he knows it, and his actions prove it.
 

alice

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Alice, a "Citizen" and a "Natural Born Citizen" are two different categories. A natural born citizen is a citizen, but a citizen isn't necessarily a natural born.

A fitting analogy would be a bull (citizen) and a purebred bull (natural born). The purebred is a bull, but any bull isn't necessarly a purebred. The Constitution says "bull" isn't good enough for President, you've got to have a purebred. Obama is not a "purebred" because his father was a citizen of Kenya.

All the birth certificate questions are just gravy on this deal. The damn guy is not qualified, he knows it, and his actions prove it.

I do not agree...and apparently most legal scholars don't either.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Alice, a "Citizen" and a "Natural Born Citizen" are two different categories. A natural born citizen is a citizen, but a citizen isn't necessarily a natural born.

A fitting analogy would be a bull (citizen) and a purebred bull (natural born). The purebred is a bull, but any bull isn't necessarly a purebred. The Constitution says "bull" isn't good enough for President, you've got to have a purebred. Obama is not a "purebred" because his father was a citizen of Kenya.

All the birth certificate questions are just gravy on this deal. The damn guy is not qualified, he knows it, and his actions prove it.

I do not agree...and apparently most legal scholars don't either.

Alice

What legal scholars?
 

alice

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
Alice, a "Citizen" and a "Natural Born Citizen" are two different categories. A natural born citizen is a citizen, but a citizen isn't necessarily a natural born.

A fitting analogy would be a bull (citizen) and a purebred bull (natural born). The purebred is a bull, but any bull isn't necessarly a purebred. The Constitution says "bull" isn't good enough for President, you've got to have a purebred. Obama is not a "purebred" because his father was a citizen of Kenya.

All the birth certificate questions are just gravy on this deal. The damn guy is not qualified, he knows it, and his actions prove it.

I do not agree...and apparently most legal scholars don't either.

Alice

What legal scholars?

The jurists that are dismissing the frivolous lawsuits being brought before them in regard to this birth certificate.
 

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