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What do you think happened to the plane?

Faster horses

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We discuss a lot of subjects here, I'm just wondering what you all think
might have happened to the plane?

After posting this, I read this on Yahoo:

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Investigators have concluded that one or more people with significant flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, switched off communication devices and steered it off-course, a Malaysian government official involved in the investigation said Saturday.

No motive has been established and no demands have been made known, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media. The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory.

"It is conclusive," he said.

The Boeing 777's communication with the ground was severed just under one hour into a flight March 8 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Malaysian officials have said radar data suggest it may have turned back toward and crossed over the Malaysian peninsula after setting out on a northeastern path toward the Chinese capital.

Earlier, an American official told The Associated Press that investigators are examining the possibility of "human intervention" in the plane's disappearance, adding it may have been "an act of piracy."

While other theories are still being examined, the U.S. official said key evidence suggesting human intervention is that contact with the Boeing 777's transponder stopped about a dozen minutes before a messaging system on the jet quit. Such a gap would be unlikely in the case of an in-flight catastrophe.


The Malaysian official said only a skilled aviator could navigate the plane the way it was flown after its last confirmed location over the South China Sea, and that it appeared to have been steered to avoid radar detection. The official said it had been established with a "more than 50 percent" degree of certainty that military radar had picked up the missing plane after it dropped off civilian radar.

Why anyone would want to do this is unclear. Malaysian authorities and others will be urgently investigating the backgrounds of the two pilots and 10 crew members, as well the 227 passengers on board.

Some experts have said that pilot suicide may be the most likely explanation for the disappearance, as was suspected in a SilkAir crash during a flight from Singapore to Jakarta in 1997 and an EgyptAir flight in 1999.

A massive international search effort began initially in the South China Sea where the plane's transponders stopped transmitting. It has since been expanded onto the other side of the Malay peninsula up into the Andaman Sea and into the Indian Ocean.

The plane had enough fuel to fly for at least five hours after its last know location, meaning a vast swath of South and Southeast Asia would be within its reach. Investigators are analyzing radar and satellite data from around the region to try and pinpoint its final location, something that will be vital to hopes of finding the plane, and answering the mystery
 

Tam

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I think the plane was hijacked as the transponders were shut off in stages and there is evidence that says the plane was still sending out signals/pings for an additional 4 hours IE flying for 4 more hours.

If it crashed why were the transponders turned Off ?

If it crashed why not mayday calls?

If it crashed where it was last located, where is the fuel slick as the plane had enough fuel on board to fly for an additional 5 hours and why the pings?

If the plane broke up there would be something from it floating where it when down if it went into the water. If it made it to land and then crashed somebody would have seen it coming down.

If it was Hijacked and a ransom demand has not been made I think we can count on the passengers were not what they were seeking and I fear they are gone.

I fear the plane landed and it is likely being repainted to be used to transport terrorists and weapons into countries so they don't have to clear customs.
 

Broke Cowboy

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Boeing 777 needs 8,000 feet of runway (or more depending on the weight) about 150 feet wide and clearance for a 200 foot wing span.

The runway needs to be able to take the impact of about 450,000 landing pounds and a take off weight of more than 650,000 pounds or the 777 will break through the concrete and paving.

There are no runways in the world of this size that are not recorded and in the ICAO civil and military flight books. As an example every paved runway in Canada can be located in the Flight Supplement - all active gravel runways can be found in the Flight Supplement and most "farmer owned" dirt strips can also be found there.

The building used to hide this aircraft if it had been landed somewhere would be enormous as not only does it have a wing span of 200 feet, it is about 243 feet long and about 68 feet high.

I cannot think of even one of those places that is not under some sort of satellite or security scrutiny.

And I have extremely little faith in the ability of the Malaysian government in producing a reasonable explanation or the truth. It may not be as corrupt as the Mexican government - but it is right up there and giving it a run for the money. Hmm... I changed my mind - I think it is even more corrupt than your southern neighbour

I admit I could be wrong but this aircraft took off from a muslim country, crewed by muslims and was - in my opinion - a victim of an "allah moment" in the cockpit or a hijack that included destruction of the aircraft and all on board - or pilot suicide . I would bet a Timmies coffee it is in the water.

Allah moment: The pilot relied upon allah to keep the airplane flying. Happens more then most folks know.

It is flying in a part of the world that is so populated and so crowded it is highly unlikely that there would be any place for it to land - no matter how remote - that it would go unreported.

Time will tell

So - for the moment - despite all the hype and mystery - I bet it is in the water. A lot of heartache for a lot of people. I am certain the unknowing makes it even harder on them.

They have my thoughts and prayers

Best to all

Bez
 

Larrry

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Heck kola didn't you hear it was Bush. He was getting some help on his TX ranch for The annual antelope branding
 

hopalong

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unlike what you just posted they had something to say worth reading... too many hormone supplements this morning lil girl???

I feel it is in the water,,for what ever reason.. if the transponder quit working for whatever reason (electrical malfunction??) other systems could have been effected resulting in pilot dis orientation... Maybe we had better let kolo=jimgo=lulu=allie come up with an explanation with her vast knowledge on all things,,, especially when in involves using he miniscule brain power..
 

Broke Cowboy

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kolanuraven said:
What?

You're not blaming the Muslims nor the President?


Amazing..............................

Despite your opinion of me and many others, I usually attempt to provide reason gained by personal experiences to my posts.

Hope you have a nice weekend

bc
 

Broke Cowboy

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kolanuraven said:
What?

You're not blaming the Muslims nor the President?


Amazing..............................

Despite your opinion of me and many others, I usually attempt to provide my thoughts and reasons gained by personal experiences and not via "what my educated muslim friend" says.

I will give you my personal experience of an allah moment.

I was instructing one of the many crown princes to fly in a small twin jet basic trainer.

We had a minor emergency.

He threw his hands in the air and says we are in trouble and allah has control.

I took control of the aircraft and told him allah put me in the back seat to save his sorry ass.

I was disciplined and he graduated top of the class despite his poor performance.

These allah moments take place more often than people understand. I never fly in an airline that does not have at least one western pilot in the front seat for that reason.

The General in charge of the investigation in Maylasia has never done this type of thing before - in fact your country are the supreme and internationally acknowledged experts on this type of accident investigation

Your folks are having information withheld on a regular basis due to egos. Too bad because your folks have some real good abilities and we would be much farther along today than we are now.

So perhaps you are indeed wrong - I might be blaming the muslims after all - and with good reason.

Hope you have a nice weekend

bc
 

loomixguy

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I don't think there was any pilot disorientation. This thing was planned from the get go. The transponders were purposely shut off. I doubt there were "malfunctions" of any kind. If, and from all the rampant corruption in that part of the world, it could be a mighty big "if", but if that airliner is found/located, you can count on Allah having a hand in it, along with Saudi or Iranian fingerprints all over it.

I truly feel that even with all the technology we possess, the plane landed somewhere intact and most of the occupants were murdered. Most people have no idea just how corrupt everybody in that part of the world is, and that includes not just people but governments/countries. There was a sinister purpose for this disappearance.

Allahu Akbhar!
 

Broke Cowboy

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loomixguy said:
I don't think there was any pilot disorientation. This thing was planned from the get go. The transponders were purposely shut off. I doubt there were "malfunctions" of any kind. If, and from all the rampant corruption in that part of the world, it could be a mighty big "if", but if that airliner is found/located, you can count on Allah having a hand in it, along with Saudi or Iranian fingerprints all over it.

I truly feel that even with all the technology we possess, the plane landed somewhere intact and most of the occupants were murdered. Most people have no idea just how corrupt everybody in that part of the world is, and that includes not just people but governments/countries. There was a sinister purpose for this disappearance.

Allahu Akbhar!

You could indeed be absolutely correct.

But I do agree that once this is all over there will indeed be a hand from a terrorist culture/religion involved.

The truth will come out - perhaps sooner than we all thought possible.

bc
 

loomixguy

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I'll put it this way, bc..... my wife was planning to go back to the Philippines the first part of April to visit family on Luzon. This situation, along with a minor health issue, caused her, on her own, to cancel her trip for the time being. Thankfully we hadn't purchased her plane ticket yet.
It's amazing how many Muslims are now in northern Luzon, which is about as far away as you can get from their stronghold on Mindanao.
Nothing good will come from this fiasco.
 

Traveler

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I'm predicting that TSA colonoscopies for grandmothers in wheelchairs and children will go way up now. At least that's usually that logic that is used.
 

Mike

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I think David Copperfield made it disappear. :wink:

He was hired by Buckwheat in order to get everyone's mind off of Putin's kicking his azz.
 

Broke Cowboy

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loomixguy said:
I'll put it this way, bc..... my wife was planning to go back to the Philippines the first part of April to visit family on Luzon. This situation, along with a minor health issue, caused her, on her own, to cancel her trip for the time being. Thankfully we hadn't purchased her plane ticket yet.
It's amazing how many Muslims are now in northern Luzon, which is about as far away as you can get from their stronghold on Mindanao.
Nothing good will come from this fiasco.

The culture of acceptance in the Philippines will be their downfall

bc
 

Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
Mapped: The 634 runways where missing Malaysia Airlines plane could have landed

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/malaysia-airlines-plane-634-runways-3245824#ixzz2w3TwlPjs
It would be more interesting to see the runways that would not have seen, detected, nor reported that 777. Very few, it would seem...........
 

Silver

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My uneducated guess is that it is landed, and being prepared for a suicide mission, and the passengers either dead or waiting to be used as leverage after the plane's mission has been accomplished.

My other guess is that it was shot down sometime after it went out of contact and went off course.
 

Mike

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With China's gold buying spree at an all time high, it would not surprise me that a load of gold was on that plane.

Nuff said
Zahari Ahmad Shah, 53, the pilot, and Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, are now being investigated as police in Kuala Lumpur search for signs of foul play.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html#ixzz2w3whHEUY
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Steve

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If we could believe all that has been put out.. we could make a few honest assumptions..

looking at the flight .. radical change in altitude, before turn..
it could mean anything from a signal,.. a loss of control,. . to a miss read by the locals on the data..

the left turn is even suspect.. but I doubt the US would reallocate resources if they didn't have more data to back up that assumption.

more troubling is the shut off transponder,.. and sat data..
be most accounts it was shut off,.

again we don't know what is true and what is misleading..


to me there are many viable theories..

one.. airplane systems failures.. and honestly on a system that complex .. it is just as possible as it seems implausible.. even a ghost flight scenario. (everyone dead,.. plane continues on. )

two,.. if you look at the flight path and factor in that it was night, confusion and lack of some instruments. it could be the pilots trying to return to originating airport with a very difficult if not impossible to handle plane. (this would also explain the seismic event as it fits that scenario) it may have ended in a ghost flight as well..

Three. pirate / hijacking according to news sources it followed a set of way-points, and was known to be changing altitude and the "pings'

then you have to believe what we are told so far is correct.. my bet is some of it is not.. but if it is.. who knows it could have reached Somalia, Iran.. ect and then we have to decide if it could actually land in the sand? or on an Iranian airport without US seeing it..

and a plane following a normal flight path is not always very noticeable..
some are ignored or quickly "explained" away.. by the operators looking at the data..

Iran has sent a plane loaded with people at US before. so I wouldn't put it past them now..

my bet.. an odd set of circumstances that ends up being easily explained once the plane is found in the water...

either way it is a tragedy and the families are waiting for an honest answer..
 
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