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mrj

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The current issue of the High Plains Journal, NE, SD, IA edition, carries a story about the new directors and leadership of R-CALF, with interviews of some of them.

A quote from Dennis McDonald states: "Finally, one of the great challenges for the live-cattle industry will be to put our own economic house in order". McDonald continued, "To be successful on other issues, grassroots producers need an organization that is economically sound, and key to achieving this goal are revisions to the Beef Checkoff so it becomes a program that works for family producers".

The Beef Checkoff has ALWAYS worked for family producers. It was family producers who worked to institute the checkoff, who designed it, who voted it into existence, and who continue to manage it well.

McDonald's phrasing indicates that R-CALF, as an organization needs to be economically sound and that the key to that goal is revisions to the Beef Checkoff.

That should concern all cattle producers because there is no profit allowed to any organization or group doing contract work for the Beef Checkoff.

All contracts with the CBB for the Beef Checkoff, by law, are on a cost recovery basis, and if the work isn't done properly the contractor is not paid. If the work is done efficiently and there is money 'left over', it must be returned to the CBB.

Finally, all financial business of the Beef Checkoff are audited by outside, professional companies, and scrutinized by even those who would love to find discrepancies to aid in ending the Beef Checkoff permanently.

MRJ
 

Mike

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there is no profit allowed to any organization or group doing contract work for the Beef Checkoff.

Please explain "No Profit" in more detail.

Do the people who do research and such get paid for their work?
If they do...........there is profit.
 

ocm

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MRJ said:
The current issue of the High Plains Journal, NE, SD, IA edition, carries a story about the new directors and leadership of R-CALF, with interviews of some of them.

A quote from Dennis McDonald states: "Finally, one of the great challenges for the live-cattle industry will be to put our own economic house in order". McDonald continued, "To be successful on other issues, grassroots producers need an organization that is economically sound, and key to achieving this goal are revisions to the Beef Checkoff so it becomes a program that works for family producers".

The Beef Checkoff has ALWAYS worked for family producers. It was family producers who worked to institute the checkoff, who designed it, who voted it into existence, and who continue to manage it well.

McDonald's phrasing indicates that R-CALF, as an organization needs to be economically sound and that the key to that goal is revisions to the Beef Checkoff.

That should concern all cattle producers because there is no profit allowed to any organization or group doing contract work for the Beef Checkoff.

All contracts with the CBB for the Beef Checkoff, by law, are on a cost recovery basis, and if the work isn't done properly the contractor is not paid. If the work is done efficiently and there is money 'left over', it must be returned to the CBB.

Finally, all financial business of the Beef Checkoff are audited by outside, professional companies, and scrutinized by even those who would love to find discrepancies to aid in ending the Beef Checkoff permanently.

MRJ

R-CALF as an organization has a keen interest in reforming the checkoff. There is absolutely NO sentiment to participate in any of the checkoff contracts.

A simple email to the organization would have told you that.
 

Jason

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Mike said:
there is no profit allowed to any organization or group doing contract work for the Beef Checkoff.

Please explain "No Profit" in more detail.

Do the people who do research and such get paid for their work?
If they do...........there is profit.

Non-profit and charitable are different. People not getting paid is a charitable organization with volunteers.

Non profit is one that works for a common goal but has to pay it's way.

If a check off program was in a regular business setting it would be cost plus. As it is, it is cost.
 

Mike

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Jason said:
Mike said:
there is no profit allowed to any organization or group doing contract work for the Beef Checkoff.

Please explain "No Profit" in more detail.

Do the people who do research and such get paid for their work?
If they do...........there is profit.

Non-profit and charitable are different. People not getting paid is a charitable organization with volunteers.

Non profit is one that works for a common goal but has to pay it's way.

If a check off program was in a regular business setting it would be cost plus. As it is, it is cost.

I promise you I completely understand the difference between a Charitable Org. and a Non-Profit Org.

But many times a Non-Profit Org. is a front for a Board of Directors and/or a CEO that is making a windfall paycheck.
 

Jason

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But many times a Non-Profit Org. is a front for a Board of Directors and/or a CEO that is making a windfall paycheck.

Could that apply to BSE Tester's company?

The books are open on the check off. Post the numbers if there is huge windfall wages being paid.
 

ranch hand

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Jason said:
But many times a Non-Profit Org. is a front for a Board of Directors and/or a CEO that is making a windfall paycheck.

Could that apply to BSE Tester's company?

The books are open on the check off. Post the numbers if there is huge windfall wages being paid.

You show me an open book of the check off. I and others have wrote, called and emailed for a list of employees and wages. Zip........got nothing :mad:
 

Tommy

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ranchhand...You show me an open book of the check off. I and others have wrote, called and emailed for a list of employees and wages. Zip........got nothing


Go to the USDA website ranchhand fill out a "freedom of information act request" you will get your answers. You can get everything on the CBB, but state beef councils may be a different story, at least in Kansas it is.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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A quote from Dennis McDonald states: "Finally, one of the great challenges for the live-cattle industry will be to put our own economic house in order". McDonald continued, "To be successful on other issues, grassroots producers need an organization that is economically sound, and key to achieving this goal are revisions to the Beef Checkoff so it becomes a program that works for family producers."

Sounds like maybe R-CALF is a little short of funds.
 

PPRM

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Do the checkoff employees work for free?????? Ummmmm....Calll me stupid, but with marketing as important s it is, I want someone worth a wage in there.....Pay nothing and you will get nothing,


PPRM
 

Mike

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PPRM said:
Do the checkoff employees work for free?????? Ummmmm....Calll me stupid, but with marketing as important s it is, I want someone worth a wage in there.....Pay nothing and you will get nothing,


PPRM

Well, according to some, that's what you are getting now.

It was said that there is no profits allowed for the checkoff funds.
 

PPRM

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Mike said:
PPRM said:
Do the checkoff employees work for free?????? Ummmmm....Calll me stupid, but with marketing as important s it is, I want someone worth a wage in there.....Pay nothing and you will get nothing,


PPRM

Well, according to some, that's what you are getting now.

It was said that there is no profits allowed for the checkoff funds.


Mike,

I was graduating from College about the time the Beef Checkoff Started (1987)...I very well remember pretty bleak prospects at the time...To say the Checkoff Dollars have done no good is to ignore where we were when the program started....Grilling Beef is a pastime like no other time since I can remember.....I can remember as a kid, my best friend was talking how his family had steak maybe once a year. They ad a good job and I think were more the rule than the exception....I know lots of people that have steak at least onc a week now...

Show me a bad Beef Commercial...I haven't heard a single one..Are there some better ideas out there. Maybe, but why not get involved rather than trear down is my answer......

Oregon just raised what we give when our calves are inspected. i give it gladly. That is how much I beklieve in the program. s a sidebar, if these checkoff dollars are what is about to make any producer go broke.....Ummmmm.....They have bigger problems,


PPRM
 

bse-tester

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Jason wrote:

But many times a Non-Profit Org. is a front for a Board of Directors and/or a CEO that is making a windfall paycheck.

Could that apply to BSE Tester's company?

The books are open on the check off. Post the numbers if there is huge windfall wages being paid.

To date, my company, has expended in excess of US$375,000.00 that originated out of my pocket and my parent company, Biotec Global, has spent in excess of UK Pounds 1.2 Million. That money came from the pocket of the CEO, Mr. Ken Bell.

As for income from this project Jason, I have not made a single cent - period! Neither has Biotec Global/Ken Bell, or any of the other folks involved in this project. All we have been doing is spending money to try to bring our product to market and for all of those reasons already stated publicly and clearly on this board.

Nobody is making a penny of profit as yet due to the fact that our test has still yet to be validated. Once it has been validated, then the profits will be shared among those groups that we feel deserve them - ie, Case Western Reserve University (Dr. Chen and his team of prion scientists for further prion research) and various other similar prion related activities. As for us, our books will be public at all times for all to inspect. Nobody in my company - including myself - will rake in any obscene amounts of income as you so loosely suggested might be possible.
 

Jason

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Go back and find out who said what Ron.

It was Mike that suggested a CEO might have the golden paycheque while the company was made to look like a non profit outfit.

I merely asked if that could be true of your company.

By asking for every animal to be BSE tested and trying to get humans tested with your test as well, we are talking millions of dollars.
 
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Anonymous

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PPRM
I was graduating from College about the time the Beef Checkoff Started (1987)...

Right there is why the whole checkoff needs to be reopened and redone...Many of the organizations that are now big players in the state and national cattle and beef industry did not even exist when the checkoff law was passed- many of the practices of importing and exporting did not exist...

The world picture has changed greatly and the checkoff is still back there operating like it did 20 years ago- and can't change because its locked in by a 20 year old law....It needs to be rewritten and made right into statute where its re-evaluated and updated every 5-7 years....
 

mrj

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Oldtimer said:
PPRM
I was graduating from College about the time the Beef Checkoff Started (1987)...

Right there is why the whole checkoff needs to be reopened and redone...
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OT said: Many of the organizations that are now big players in the state and national cattle and beef industry did not even exist when the checkoff law was passed-

MRJ asks: OT, which organizations did not exist them, except for R-CALF, as we all know it did not, but personally I do not know of others that did not? Please enlighten me and the rest of the readers on that subject.

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OT said: many of the practices of importing and exporting did not exist...

MRJ asks: OT, what practices of importing did not exist when the Beef Checkoff became law?

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OT said: The world picture has changed greatly and the checkoff is still back there operating like it did 20 years ago- and can't change because its locked in by a 20 year old law....It needs to be rewritten and made right into statute where its re-evaluated and updated every 5-7 years....

MRJ says: yes, OT, I understand that you who do not approve of NCBA being ONE of the several contractors for checkoff work would love to have a chance to run a campaign against it every five to seven years.

Personally, I, along with many other cattle producers, believe that the current process where if a mere 10% of producers believe the Beef Checkoff is not serving them well they can petition for an election is superior to an opportunity for "politiking" and a costly routine election.

Currently, the approval rate is 71% according to a recently finished survey.


MRJ
 
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