What Happened to Dis?????

[Jinglebob]

This is getting depressing....change the subject!!!! :? :? :?

Yup, and if more humans had the guts to do the right things by their aniimals, we wouldn't be having to have this discussion.

Animlas are a responsibility. we must treat them as humanely as possible. It's pretty easy to just kick them off on to someone else to be responsible.

It's a little harder to do right by them.

 

[Steve]

This is getting depressing

well what did you expect in a thread about Ol Dis?

happy thoughts?

nope, that wouldn't be fitting of old negativity.......shooting old horses sounds about right up dis's alley....

 

[Soapweed]

The seal hunt off Nefondland is done with 22 cal guns to satisfy the animal rights wackos because its the most humane way to kill an animal.

L :shock: K who is talking. It takes an animal rights wacko to know one.

 

[kolanuraven]

I don't think Roper is an animal rights "wacko"....I just thinks he's very passionate about his horses.



Ok Ok Ok....I know you didn't ask me!!!

 

[Soapweed]

I don't think Roper is an animal rights "wacko"....I just thinks he's very passionate about his horses.



Ok Ok Ok....I know you didn't ask me!!!

It is fine that RoperAB is "passionate" about his horses. He can do whatever he wants to do with his horses. That is all well and good.

The reason that I consider him to be an animal rights wacko, is because he is just like the other wackos. They can't just be happy caring for their animals the way they see fit. It is their agenda to impose upon the rest of us their ideas, whether we agree or not. They expect to force the rest of us to abide by their rules.

It is definitely no more inhumane to send a horse to the packers than it is to see them get skinny and suffer for years before they die. A dead horse is a dead horse, but to my way of thinking a $600 dead horse is far better than one that I've had to spend one or two hundred on to get him dead and then dispose of the carcass.

Kola, I don't know much about your background, but I do get the impression that you have plenty of money at your disposal. I don't know if it is "old" mildewed money, or if it is money that you put together through your own efforts. That is all immaterial, and it doesn't matter. The fact is that you have money.

The salvage value that can be derived from the sale of old cows and horses doesn't matter to you. You can get by without it. For others who depend on the sale of livestock to make a living, this is an entirely different situation. The sale proceeds of old cutter and canner cows, and the salvage value of unusable horses is the difference between profit and loss.

Liberals pride themselves on showing compassion to others. Think long and hard before you deprive other livestock producers of the money that would be received from the sale of older livestock. The horse processing industry is probably a multi-billion dollar industry. The animal rights wackos are trying to close this down. Being humane or inhumane has nothing to do with it. It is merely a stepping stone in their quest to ultimately shut down all animal agriculture.

 

[Faster horses]

Soapweed just spoke many truths.

We should all have the RIGHT to dispose of animals the way we choose.
It is not the RIGHT of someone to take that away from us.

Comprehende?

 

[CattleRMe]

I think when an animal owner is responsible in the care of the animal it is their right to dispose of it how they chose in as humanly way as possible. I do think when an owner is being inhumane to an animal then the authorities will and should be able to dispose of an animal as they see fit.

 

[kolanuraven]

Well...exxxxxccccuuuuussssseeeeeeee me!!!


And on the money issue Mr. Soapweed....you sure don't seem to be hurtin' one bit yerself.

What's your problem with me all of a sudden? I could care less what someone else does with their critters.....I just stated what I did with mine!

 

[Soapweed]

I think when an animal owner is responsible in the care of the animal it is their right to dispose of it how they chose in as humanly way as possible. I do think when an owner is being inhumane to an animal then the authorities will and should be able to dispose of an animal as they see fit.

You are right, CattleRMe. The Humane Society was origially set up for this purpose. Originally they were a compassionate group that didn't like to see skinny starving abused animals. That was a worthy cause, and they should have stayed with it, period.

Now the Humane Society (the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) is just a big money, bleeding heart organization with an agenda. They, along with PETA and other do-gooder outfits, want to ultimately end all animal agriculture.

The motto "All Things in Moderation" is a good one. The humane societies should follow those words of wisdom. They should moderate the humane treatment of animals, but keep their noses out of being an obstacle to business. They should monitor the different aspects of the horse packing industry, but not try to completely destroy it. It is a much needed "final segment" in the life of the horse population. There will be much more suffering and abuse of horses, if there is no financially lucrative means of disposing of these unusable animals.

 

[Soapweed]

Well...exxxxxccccuuuuussssseeeeeeee me!!!


And on the money issue Mr. Soapweed....you sure don't seem to be hurtin' one bit yerself.

What's your problem with me all of a sudden? I could care less what someone else does with their critters.....I just stated what I did with mine!

I had no intention of offending you, Kola, and didn't think that I did. I apologize if I did. My point is that your situation is different than most livestock producers. Most livestock producers, myself included, have to turn a profit to stay in business.

I compliment you, admire you, and am even jealous of you for owning original Charles Russell and Frederick Remington paintings. My hat is off to you because you have good taste. But anyone owning these masterpiece paintings can't be hurting for financial resources. My only point was that you have the financial wherewithall to keep old outdated family livestock pets indefinitely. Many people do not have this option, and the money they receive from the sale of old livestock helps put beans and bacon on the supper table.

Once again, I apologize because I sure did not mean to offend you.

 

[kolanuraven]

Ok, then ...but just for the record.... I don't smoke!! :wink:


( I saw that before you deleted it!!) :lol: :lol: :lol:


My situation on this side of the Mississippi is different, yes.....BUT....my situation in ranching on YOUR side of the Mississippi is exactly the same as yours!

I'm not ignorant that...far from it!

On the picture issue....fat lot of good they do me. They are in trust and I've got to pay to go see them like everyone else who goes to the museum!!! I just get to point and say " Those are mine"!!

 

[Soapweed]

Ok, then ...but just for the record.... I don't smoke!! :wink:


( I saw that before you deleted it!!) :lol: :lol: :lol:


My situation on this side of the Mississippi is different, yes.....BUT....my situation in ranching on YOUR side of the Mississippi is exactly the same as yours!

I'm not ignorant that...far from it!

Thanks for accepting my apology. Now we can go on just agreeing to disagree on some things. :wink:

On the subject of Charlie Russell paintings, Peach Blossom and I had opportunity to go through the museum at Great Falls several years ago. Before seeing his work up close and personal, I had always admired his paintings, but thought that his main attribute was that there were not many others doing cowboy paintings when he did. I thought that he was probably not much better than modern contemporary cow country artists, but I was wrong.

Charlie Russell was the master of them all when it came to western art. He is the yardstick that all others are measured by, and none can reach taller than the mark he set (in my humble opinion).

 

[kolanuraven]

Russell did several painting on the Lazy EL Ranch in Roscoe MT. I was @ that ranch several yrs ago as MB worked there at that time.

It was neat to get to see some of the places where Russell got to sit and ponder.

That is such a beeeeeautiful place. I was there before it became a ' dude' ranch...but if you a chance to go....GO! The scenery is worth the trip alone!@

In fact, if you look reeeeallllyyy close at the horses in some of CR's paintings...

you see the E-L brand on the the horses

 

[RoperAB]

Ok, then ...but just for the record.... I don't smoke!! :wink:


( I saw that before you deleted it!!) :lol: :lol: :lol:


My situation on this side of the Mississippi is different, yes.....BUT....my situation in ranching on YOUR side of the Mississippi is exactly the same as yours!

I'm not ignorant that...far from it!

On the picture issue....fat lot of good they do me. They are in trust and I've got to pay to go see them like everyone else who goes to the museum!!! I just get to point and say " Those are mine"!!

Dont pay any attention. I would much rather be stuck on a desert island with you then some other person who would stab me in the back and probable eat me when I was a sleep.
There are two types of ranch owners around here<southern Alberta>. Guys who have had everything given to them and others who made there money in some other business<Ted Turner types>.
Anyway I strongly suspect that I have less money than anybody else on here but yet I can afford to treat my horses right. I find it comical in a way that these cow/calf outfits who are worth millions of dollars claim to need to be able to sell there worn out horses to the slaughter plants in order to survive.
You know most horses when they get age on them are whats considered pasture sound. Example thier joints are worn.They cant stand up to any kind of regular riding. However they get turned out for their retirement with the other pensioners. Since their not worked they become pasture sound. They can run around together and enjoy some freedom in their retirement. When they get crippled or start looseing weight they are humanely shot.
Anybody who doesnt know the differences between a horse and a cow/ well its pretty much self explanitory :wink: .
I know some on here consider a horse as simply a tool. The respectable outfits around here consider their horses as their staff, as part of their ranch.
Anyway some on here can label me as PETA or as an animal rights wacko. Haha Can say im part of a vegitable conspiracy, whatever :lol:
I know what i am and im not insecure about myself enough to care what some person on the internet wants to call me :lol: :lol: .

 

[RoperAB]

Russell did several painting on the Lazy EL Ranch in Roscoe MT. I was @ that ranch several yrs ago as MB worked there at that time.

It was neat to get to see some of the places where Russell got to sit and ponder.

That is such a beeeeeautiful place. I was there before it became a ' dude' ranch...but if you a chance to go....GO! The scenery is worth the trip alone!@

In fact, if you look reeeeallllyyy close at the horses in some of CR's paintings...

you see the E-L brand on the the horses

Charlie never painted any tractors :wink:

 

[Soapweed]

[Anyway some on here can label me as PETA or as an animal rights wacko. Haha Can say im part of a vegitable conspiracy, whatever :lol:
I know what i am and im not insecure about myself enough to care what some person on the internet wants to call me :lol: :lol: .

You can always tell an animal rights wacko........but you can't tell them very darned much. :?

 

[Steve]

I would much rather be stuck on a desert island with you then some other person who would stab me in the back and probable eat me when I was a sleep.

because a person would send an old horse to slaughter, instead of letting it starve, they would probably eat another person?

 

[Soapweed]

I would much rather be stuck on a desert island with you then some other person who would stab me in the back and probable eat me when I was a sleep.

because a person would send an old horse to slaughter, instead of letting it starve, they would probably eat another person?

RoperAB's whole statement, "I would much rather be stuck on a desert island with you then some other person who would stab me in the back and probable eat me when I was a sleep," is a no-brainer. Heck yes, any red-blooded male would rather spend time on an island with a pretty lady than a dried up old Soapweed.

I don't know how good of a roper RoperAB is, but if he ever got a calf caught, he should be able to tie three legs and "hog-tie" the calf in a hurry. After all, he gets lots of practice wringing his hands and then throwing them up into the air in despair. :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

I don't know how good of a roper RoperAB is, but if he ever got a calf caught, he should be able to tie three legs and "hog-tie" the calf in a hurry. After all, he gets lots of practice wringing his hands and then throwing them up into the air in despair. :wink:

:lol2:

I knew something wasn't quite right about that boy. At one time, I thought he was a good conservative. Then he started that stuff about getting the government involved in the refinery business to make it more competitive? Hello socialist. I knew then he had a twist in his loop that he waddun ever gunna shake out. :???:

 

[RoperAB]

Well im in good company.
Ever hear tell of operation cowboy? Gen. George Pattons second battalion actually faught and took casualities in 1945 to save Lipizzano horses from being ate. :wink:
Food was pretty scarce towards the end of the war and after the war.
Gen Pattons last words after his accident were "will I ever be able to ride my horse again"