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WHAT IF....................

HAY MAKER

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M COOL,is enacted,cattlemen demand and get the check off promoting USA raised beef.
And then we have another situation like Topps traced back to canada................good luck

PS......... the coupe de grace ?
 

rkaiser

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Don't know what coupe de grace means you bilingual genius, but I guess it means that you will welcome Brazilian beef when your dream comes true.
 

HAY MAKER

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rkaiser said:
Don't know what coupe de grace means you bilingual genius, but I guess it means that you will welcome Brazilian beef when your dream comes true.

I dont believe brazilian beef will be welcome,Im wondering if you realize what M Cool will actually do,it will clearly define the canadian cattle man as our competition,not our partner................the rest is advertising
good luck

PS Randy I think you oughta move south of the medicine line ?
The expression coup de grâce (pronounced /ku də gras/) (French: /ku də ɡʁas/ "blow of mercy") means a death blow intended to end the suffering of a wounded friend.
 

Sandhusker

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rkaiser said:
Don't know what coupe de grace means you bilingual genius, but I guess it means that you will welcome Brazilian beef when your dream comes true.

Brazilian beef is coming. It's what we do now that will determine what effect it will have on us.
 

mwj

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HAY MAKER said:
M COOL,is enacted,cattlemen demand and get the check off promoting USA raised beef.
And then we have another situation like Topps traced back to canada................good luck

PS......... the coupe de grace ?


Since most ''grind'' is of a mixed origon will it even be labeled under the

COOL laws?
 

Big Muddy rancher

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HAY MAKER said:
M COOL,is enacted,cattlemen demand and get the check off promoting USA raised beef.
And then we have another situation like Topps traced back to canada................good luck

PS......... the coupe de grace ?

So Haymaker you figure that Mcool will be the death blow to the Canadian cattle producer?
 

Tex

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Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
M COOL,is enacted,cattlemen demand and get the check off promoting USA raised beef.
And then we have another situation like Topps traced back to canada................good luck

PS......... the coupe de grace ?

So Haymaker you figure that Mcool will be the death blow to the Canadian cattle producer?

MCOOL shouldn't be the death blow to the Canadian cattle producer.

It should be the deathblow to the system that is set up now.

That means you have a lot of work to do, BMR.

You better talk to rkaiser to ask him what you need to do.
 

Sandhusker

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Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
M COOL,is enacted,cattlemen demand and get the check off promoting USA raised beef.
And then we have another situation like Topps traced back to canada................good luck

PS......... the coupe de grace ?

So Haymaker you figure that Mcool will be the death blow to the Canadian cattle producer?

It could be one of the best things to happen to you if you handle it right. Randy is the only one that I've seen from up there that might have an idea.
 

RobertMac

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What MCOOL would do(as in the Topps situation), it would provide direct responsibility and traceability for the tainted meat to the companies that produced it. Why do you think the large packers are fighting this so hard????? Because it would hold them responsible for the product they sell!!!!!
 

PORKER

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COOL would provide direct responsibility and traceability for the tainted meat to the companies that produced it.

With the right database server setup,companies could check to see which line and which employee the product was handled.
With the right database system it also provides added value to the consumer while creating a larger customer base because the customer can see beyond the label where it came from.
 

mrj

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RM, your point that PACKERS will suffer from 'blame' for "tainted meat" due to traceability goes directly against what the R-CALF leaders tell us.

Johnny Smith says it will be 'traced' back to the producer, who will be liable instead of the packer, IF we have NAIS for REAL traceability, which is why they want COOL which has NO real traceability, only COUNTRY of origin.

Wasn't it Leo McD who said, (paraphrasing here): "producers shouldn't be burdened with traceability, we just need COUNTRY of origin, not RANCH of origin"? There was a reason.

MRJ
 

HAY MAKER

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Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
M COOL,is enacted,cattlemen demand and get the check off promoting USA raised beef.
And then we have another situation like Topps traced back to canada................good luck

PS......... the coupe de grace ?

So Haymaker you figure that Mcool will be the death blow to the Canadian cattle producer?

Makes no differnce what I think,the industry is changing,a smart man will position himself accordingly..................good luck
PS I would hate to see you and Miss Tam go back to pig farmers.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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HAY MAKER said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
M COOL,is enacted,cattlemen demand and get the check off promoting USA raised beef.
And then we have another situation like Topps traced back to canada................good luck

PS......... the coupe de grace ?

So Haymaker you figure that Mcool will be the death blow to the Canadian cattle producer?

Makes no differnce what I think,the industry is changing,a smart man will position himself accordingly..................good luck
PS I would hate to see you and Miss Tam go back to pig farmers.


I know it makes NO difference WHAT you think. I was just wondering if you actually do THINK.

You made the statement and threw out the "Coupe de grace" So WHO get the death bolw?
 

RobertMac

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mrj said:
RM, your point that PACKERS will suffer from 'blame' for "tainted meat" due to traceability goes directly against what the R-CALF leaders tell us.

Johnny Smith says it will be 'traced' back to the producer, who will be liable instead of the packer, IF we have NAIS for REAL traceability, which is why they want COOL which has NO real traceability, only COUNTRY of origin.

Wasn't it Leo McD who said, (paraphrasing here): "producers shouldn't be burdened with traceability, we just need COUNTRY of origin, not RANCH of origin"? There was a reason.

MRJ

mrj, let me give you a clue...no producer has ever sold beef contaminated with E.coli when selling an animal ON THE HOOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The chance for contamination starts when the hide comes off. The slaughter plant kill floor is the most likely place E.coli contamination of beef gets started! (I'm sure this went over like water off a ducks back :? :roll: ) My point in the previous post was that with MCOOL, the source of contaminated meat can no longer be hidden by USDA and the packers. According to Ben, it would make it more difficult for the large packers to "kill off" their competition...Ben, wouldn't that be a benefit of MCOOL?????
 

HAY MAKER

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Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
Big Muddy rancher said:

Makes no difference what I think,the industry is changing smart man will position himself accordingly..................good luck
PS I would hate to see you and Miss Tam go back to pig farmers.


I know it makes NO difference WHAT you think. I was just wondering if you actually do THINK.

You made the statement and threw out the "Coupe de grace" So WHO get the death bolw?

It seems like there is always an ignorant peckerwood like you that is to dumb to realize and accept change.
let me make it easier for you to understand..............Your packer employee days are fast coming to and end.
If and when the United states enacts country of orgin labeling and we have another Topps incident,which is highly likely,there are folks waiting to close you down,consumers in the United states are very health consious,It is my opinion Maple leaf beef sales will be nonexistent, that is hard for you to understand ?.............good luck
PS On the second thought I think you were born to be a pig farmer,you have the mentality.
 

Tex

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mrj said:
RM, your point that PACKERS will suffer from 'blame' for "tainted meat" due to traceability goes directly against what the R-CALF leaders tell us.

Johnny Smith says it will be 'traced' back to the producer, who will be liable instead of the packer, IF we have NAIS for REAL traceability, which is why they want COOL which has NO real traceability, only COUNTRY of origin.

Wasn't it Leo McD who said, (paraphrasing here): "producers shouldn't be burdened with traceability, we just need COUNTRY of origin, not RANCH of origin"? There was a reason.

MRJ

mrj, the "tainted meat" issues we are all now discussing--ecoli, salmonella, etc... are all PROCESSOR ISSUES.

They all have to do with the conditions of how the animal was processed.

There is no reason for traceback to the producer for this reason in these circumstances.
 
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