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What is a "conservative" liberal?

Judith

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I am confused by this term? Arent you either on the boat or off of it ?I've just heard it used a couple time on here and have no idea what to make of the term...
 
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Anonymous

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Judith said:
I am confused by this term? Arent you either on the boat or off of it ?I've just heard it used a couple time on here and have no idea what to make of the term...

Don't think there is such an animal as a conservative liberal.....
 

Mrs.Greg

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In high school political class,we were taught,right-wing,left wing.So someone could be a liberal but be right-wing ... more conservative thinking so not as "Liberal" as a left-wing. Clear as mud Judith?? Did you get the gerbil I sent you Judith??Had his nails and teeth sharpened just for you friend :)
 

IL Rancher

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Its kind of a misnomer in that what should be said was iinstead of running liberal democrats they ran moderate or more conservative democrats... Generally it means that on some social issues they run more the middle (gun control, gay issues, anti at the very least partial birth abortion) instead of the more liberal complete prochoice, gun control and gay marriage being allowed .. Problem is I guess liberal gets substitited for Democrat and conservative gets substituted for Republican far too often IMO...
 
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Anonymous

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Judith said:
I am confused by this term? Arent you either on the boat or off of it ?I've just heard it used a couple time on here and have no idea what to make of the term...

Judith- Are you sure you didn't hear the term "conservative Democrat"--That is what TV is calling many of these folks that were elected last night-also calling them "Old Style Democrats"......Democrats that are anti gun control, pro life, anti gay union, pro fiscal responsibility and in many cases support balanced budgets, anti Global trade and pro supporting US industry and labor, etc., etc.....

Some of the old southern and western Democrats were more conservative than most Republicans of today.....
 

Econ101

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Liberal and conservatives are adjectives. A liberal conservative is an oxymoron. There can be liberal democrats, such as Kennedy, conservative democrats (formerly called blue dog democrats in the south), liberal republicans like Lincoln Chaffee, and conservative republicans like Ronald Reagan.

From wikpedia:
Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value.[1] Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment, but the term now encompasses a diversity of political thought.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, especially of government and religion, the rule of law, free public education, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports relatively free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2] In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.[3]

Conservatism is a political philosophy that necessitates a defense of established values or the status quo. [citation needed] The term derives from to conserve; from Latin conservāre, "to keep, guard, observe". While not in itself an ideology, it is a political philosophy that is determined almost entirely by its context. [citation needed] It is defined, in part, as an emphasis on tradition as a source of wisdom that goes beyond what can be demonstrated or even explicitly stated. [citation needed]

Samuel Francis defined authentic conservatism as “the survival and enhancement of a particular people and its institutionalized cultural expressions.”[1] Roger Scruton calls it “maintenance of the social ecology” and “the politics of delay, the purpose of which is to maintain in being, for as long as possible, the life and health of a social organism.”[2]

Using the real definition of liberal, more people would accurately define themselves in this category on many issues but are afraid to based on Karl Rove's definition and labeling.

Most people are a mix of conservative and liberal, whether they admit to it or not.
 

Mike

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kolanuraven said:
There is NOTHING more conservative than an old style Southern Democrat!

( Spoken from someone way down South!)

There is nothing more "IGNORANT" than a Southern Democrat either.

They don't understand that that the liberals/socialists in the Democratic Party are using them for their votes only with the liberals/socialists running the actual show..


Spoken from someone further way down South!

In the heart of the "Blackbelt"!
 

RoperAB

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Judith said:
I am confused by this term? Arent you either on the boat or off of it ?I've just heard it used a couple time on here and have no idea what to make of the term...

Well I only know of one example of a conservative liberal in Canada.

Former Premier of New Brunswick Frank MacKenna
Why that guy was in the liberal party is beyond me because he wasnt a liberal.
 

Econ101

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Mike said:
kolanuraven said:
There is NOTHING more conservative than an old style Southern Democrat!

( Spoken from someone way down South!)

There is nothing more "IGNORANT" than a Southern Democrat either.

They don't understand that that the liberals/socialists in the Democratic Party are using them for their votes only with the liberals/socialists running the actual show..


Spoken from someone further way down South!

In the heart of the "Blackbelt"!

I would agree with you Mike. If the dems. can not stop the control of the North East "liberal" democrats, the party control of the U.S. will be short lived.

Republicans were able to stop the "liberal" actions of Tom Foley nor of many of the frauds and personal liberalism their own members brought to the party. They were also not able to stop their deficit spending, which is a "liberal" view of fiscal policy.

It will be interesting to see if the dems. or remaining republicans can get a better handle on it.

We will see.
 

Judith

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Thank you all very much for your replies . I appreciate it, I get the conservative Democrat title . I just didnt understand how you could be a conservative liberal.

Mrs Greg, I went to the greyhound depot to get my gift from you. Imagine my surprise! :shock: , let's just say those poor little fellows don't do well travelling with other packages. Not sure what to do with the little guy now. LOL

( To the rest of the ranchers family, this is a running joke between us, no ACTUAL animals were hurt in this imaginary scenario)
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
There is NOTHING more conservative than an old style Southern Democrat!

( Spoken from someone way down South!)
You could go a little further south, and a little more democratic...William Jefferson. We'll see how the new speaker cleans up corruption. William Jefferson is the true conservative democrat. I havn't heard econ, oldtimer, roper, much less the true flaming liberals R2 and kola(old bones)raven say how stupid the fools are that reelected him. How idiotic can they possibly be.
 

Jinglebob

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reader (the Second) said:
A crook's a crook, regardless of party affiliation.
And sadly, we keep sending them to DC!

As they say, send a crook to catch a crook.

Even if they were not crooks when they go to DC, they seem to learn real fast.

Thats is the biggest pain about politics. You have to scratch somebodies back to get your back scratched. Comprimise, is the pits.

I'm sick of all these pinheads and think we are getting what we deserve.

Look at this board and how people treat each other on here.

Sad. Truely sad.

:(
 

Red Robin

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reader (the Second) said:
Red Robin said:
If you're concerned about crooks in politics R2 why hadn't you mentioned his race earlier.

Believe it or not, I don't pay attention to every race in the country. That's a heck of a lot of races.
You seem to be aware of every republican crook. Could it be that you are two faced, like other democrats? You actually don't care about ethics but are just using if for cover to help elect your liberal candidates and further your liberal agenda??? Maybe not you R2 but there are certainly lots of liberals like that.
 

Econ101

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A crook's a crook, regardless of party affiliation.


It is just too bad some of these crooks retain their voting privledges even after being found out to being a crook whatever party they belong to.

rr and others, do you think a republican crook is better than a democrat crook?

I think the nonexistent ethics committee in Congress should be going after crooks of either party. In fact, I think it should be taken out of the party system we have in the U.S. and given to the independents to administer. Don't we want it to be indpendent of party affiliation anyway? Some people have shown they just can't police themselves.
 

Judith

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my daddy used to say " a skunk is still a skunk whether it be spotted or striped " I think the same goes for politicians.......
 

Mrs.Greg

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Judith said:
Mrs Greg, I went to the greyhound depot to get my gift from you. Imagine my surprise! :shock: , let's just say those poor little fellows don't do well travelling with other packages. Not sure what to do with the little guy now. :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry:

:lol:
 
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