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What next? This country is so far gone.

Traveler

Well-known member
They'll be on feedlots asses in the near future, undoubtedly. Some type of Carbon Tax will surely make it better. It's all about control and governmental extortion. I hope to see the day when some of these MFers go hungry.
 

Broke Cowboy

Well-known member
LOL

Seems the US of A has the government it deserves.

That will get me slapped by some here - while it may not be true for most on these boards - it is a fact.

Really - if you raise dumb ass students, provide free "everything" to those who claim to be disadvantaged, encourage living in mommy and daddy's basement, do not demand that newcomers assimilate vs turning their new country into a mirror image of what they just left, do not demand that laws are enforced, do not hold your politicians accountable, live your life in a 5 mile bubble around your house, are more worried about how to teach "ebonics" than the literature and history of your country, never actually watch an international news program once a week, pay people on welfare to have more babies, worry more about how slavery structured modern America (When in fact muslims and other blacks provided those slave to the slavers but no one ever mentions that) and much, much more.....

What do you expect?

The US of A is in serious trouble and it is because no one demands that the country and its people simply stand up and look after themselves!

It will not change because the loser in the last election was bang on - nearly half of the entire population of the US of A is on some sort of social assistance - they want MORE!

And they will continue to vote to get more.

Hmmm... seems Canada is going the same way.

I do not see it changing in my life time.

Harsh words and indeed sad words.

Interesting times ahead.

bc
 

Steve

Well-known member
if cow belching and farts are so bad..

what about the environmentalists pride and joy.. Wetlands?

As one of the most significant natural sources of atmospheric methane, wetlands remain a major area of concern with respect to climate change.

Pound for pound, the comparative impact of methane CH4 on climate change is over 20 times greater than CO2, methane emission will have 34 times the impact on temperature of a carbon dioxide emission of the same mass over the following 100 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetland_methane_emissions

To list a few, marshes, swamps, bogs, fens, peatlands, muskegs, and pocosins are all examples of different kinds of wetlands. Because each type of wetland is unique, the same characteristics used to classify each wetland can also be used to characterize the amount of methane emitted from that particular wetland. Water saturated ditches develop, which due to the warm, moist environment, end up emitting a large amount of methane.

However, the amount of carbon dioxide in the surrounding atmosphere, which would in turn decrease the addition of methane into the atmosphere, as shown by an 80% decrease in methane flux in areas of doubled carbon dioxide levels.[4]

wetlands, termites, oceans and hydrates make up 37% of the worlds methane emissions.. and of that 37%

wetlands accounts for 83%
termites account for an additional 7%

maybe we should eradicate termites first?
 

Steve

Well-known member
on a side note..

if Methane makes a huge portion of our greenhouse gases.. and is pound for pound 20 times worse then CO2

then shouldn't the concern be more on large methane producers such as wetlands, termites, landfills, waste treatment, and biomass burning (forest fires ect) ?

and not on CO2 that actually decreases the amount of methane released?


However, the amount of carbon dioxide in the surrounding atmosphere, which would in turn decrease the addition of methane into the atmosphere, as shown by an 80% decrease in methane flux in areas of doubled carbon dioxide levels.[4]

let me try to get this straight..

methane is 20 times worse then CO2,.. yet increased CO2 decreases methane emissions by 80%

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notice how they completely ignored natural methane emissions?

The good news is since the early 1990's, the trend in increasing methane has slowed down and even leveled off in the last few years

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One of the indisputable facts in the field of global climate change is that the atmospheric build-up of methane (CH4) has been, over the past few decades, occurring much more slowly than all predictions







This behavior is quite perplexing. And while we are not sure what processes are behind it, we do know one thing for certain—
the slow growth of methane concentrations is an extremely cold bucket of water dumped on the overheated claims that global warming
additional reading.. and knowing if the cattle issue ever comes up for rules making public comment !!!
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/10/08/the-ups-and-downs-of-methane/
Here is how NOAA methane-guru Ed Dlugokencky and colleagues put it in their publication last week describing recent methane behavior:

We emphasize that, although changing climate has the potential to dramatically increase CH4 emissions from huge stores of carbon in permafrost and from Arctic hydrates, our observations are not consistent with sustained changes there yet.

so lets see.. the arctic didn't go as predicted..

the sea level didn't go as predicted..

the temperature didn't go as predicted..

methane levels didn't go as predicted..

and they can't figure it out..

maybe increases in CO2 emissions.. decreases the amount of methane emissions :shock:

I sure wish I could back up that fact with scholarly work..

However, the amount of carbon dioxide in the surrounding atmosphere, which would in turn decrease the addition of methane into the atmosphere, as shown by an 80% decrease in methane flux in areas of doubled carbon dioxide levels.[4] ]/quote] http://www.researchgate.net/publication/222486310_An_ecological_perspective_on_methane_emissions_from_northern_wetlands

sure wish scientists had an open mind and weren't stuck back in the 1990's :roll: :? :???: :roll:
 

Tam

Well-known member
Face it this is the kind of crap you get when you are ignorant enough to vote for a Community Organizer that has ABSOLUTELY NO COMMON SENSE to be in charge of EVERYTHING HE CAN DO TO BANKRUPT YOUR COUNTRY. :roll:

I'm just sorry the rest of you good Americans have to deal with the results of the likes of Kola and Oldtimer's vote. :roll:
 
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